checking out relatives palates - Page 2

[leila1213]

Thanks, but I don't think I'm in any shape right now to focus on this. Breathe in. Breathe out.

As a fun diversion (haha) I went over to westonaprice.org to check out the baby faces there for comparison. I don't know if you guys look at these.

http://westonaprice.org/children/babies.html

They are kind of weird, but one of them sort of got me thinking.

IS YOUR BABY ALLERGIC TO MILK? THERE IS A HEALTHY ALTERNATIVE!
Our black and white photo does not do justice to Skylar Fushi's rosy cheeks and red lips. Skylar could not keep down any milk-based formula. Her parents gave her a homemade formula made from liver, broth and lactose, with added cod liver oil and coconut oil. "It looked pretty unappetizing but she loved it from the very first gulp. . . and has thrived on it ever since." At age two, Skylar still gets her liver formula along with solid food.

There is no way a normal nursing 2 yr old would ever eat/drink this raw liver formula willingly...right? Even though SF's views on BF are crazy, I'm just postulating whether it might make sense to give a BF baby some TF formula to get them used to the flavor, so that they would continue to drink it as a supplement into toddler- and childhood? Just a thought...

[leila1213]

Originally Posted by spughy

Leila, your girl is awfully cute! I don't see anything wrong with her dental situation, but I'll ask my mom because she is A)a former dental nurse and B)a HUGE judger of peoples' health, diet, and probably morals by their palate width. I swear, sometimes this forum is like reading 100 copies of my mom. But seriously, it looks like your girl has plenty of space between her teeth, and those spaces will increase as she gets bigger, right? I can't see that her teeth are all that different than my DD's teeth, (older pic here, shows more) which have been proclaimed "perfect" by my mom and her dentist.

I was posting at the same time so I hadn't read this yet. I appreciate your comments and would be interested to know what your mom thinks! But why do my DD's teeth look so pointy in comparison? Maybe the photo doesn't quite capture it. Probably part of why I'm worrying is that I babysat a little boy who looked soooo pinched and almost deformed, and I just see his teeth when I look at DD! I don't know why. Yes, I am obsessing. Sigh.

And Sarah, your girl is so cute! I do think that important "middle third" is much wider in her face than my DD.

[LionTigerBear]

Leila, I can't tell, I'm sorry! I can say it doesn't obviously look bad though!

Here is my first son at 2 months old. You can see that, in spite of having switched to a TF diet shortly before concieving him, he still has a thin, pinched face. He was also a lean and colicky baby. Poor little guy.

Here is my second son at about the same age for comparison. I had been on the TF diet longer. Look how fat and healthy he is. He had a very sweet, easy disposition, too. And never any baby acne at all.

Here are the boys now: you can see that with intensive work (GAPS diet), my older son's face has filled out a bit and his facial structure has actually widened a lot.

[Junegoddess]

Wow, I love seeing pictures of everyone's kids! :

The first little girl- Milla- I can see a bit of what her mama is talking about. I don't see pointy teeth, but they are kinda close together. But jaws do widen as children grow! It looks to ME (and I am no expert, yet, ha ha) that it's the bottom third, her lower jaw, that is narrower. There was an article in the WAPF journal a couple of years ago that talked about which vitamins were needed for which part of the face. I don't remember what it said, but if you happen to know what I'm talking about... maybe that could help. She sure is cute.

I will see if I can find some pics of how much my daughter's palate has changed. One year of CLO/BO blend has really helped. She still needs braces, but is still refusing them. I know what you're feeling, though... a year ago I was cringing every time I saw my daughter's teeth. And she was 9 years old, so I felt like I had no hope... just felt so guilty and discouraged.

Spughy's daughter is adorable! And, yeah, I can see what her palate was rated "perfect." Nice square jaw! (Is she taking offers for matrimony yet? I have an adorable, Viking-looking son to offer up... )

And LionTigerBear- wow, your second son sure was deliciously chubby! And your first son looks like he has a very nice jaw now. Good work, mama!

[LionTigerBear]

Originally Posted by Junegoddess

And LionTigerBear- wow, your second son sure was deliciously chubby! And your first son looks like he has a very nice jaw now. Good work, mama!

Thanks!

Sarah, I missed your photos before-- your daughter has a great jawline! Way to go!

[Junegoddess]

I'll have to dig into our external hard drive to find older pics of my daughter's teeth... but here's a link to a recent pic. Her teeth are still crooked, but... nothing like they were.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...ey=P4GUq0adeek

And, just for equality, my son... he's got the pointy chin, despite CLO and raw milk during pg, but I probably wasn't absorbing much... didn't know about my gluten intolerance back then.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...ey=P4GUq0adeek

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Junegoddess

I will see if I can find some pics of how much my daughter's palate has changed. One year of CLO/BO blend has really helped. She still needs braces, but is still refusing them. I know what you're feeling, though... a year ago I was cringing every time I saw my daughter's teeth. And she was 9 years old, so I felt like I had no hope... just felt so guilty and discouraged.

I've been wondering about this. You know that growth spurt we get as teenagers? I really wonder if a lot of change could happen then, if we can practice beforehand (I admit, I need practice to get the nutrition right). As a counterexample, my husband is almost unrecognizeable from childhood pictures to adult pictures, and I think it's his face undergoing significant changes in his teen years. And not in the direction of Price-type good health. So I've wondered if the reverse is also true. I think we have more time than we usually assume, but it's this long-term process. I have real trouble with patience.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Junegoddess

There was an article in the WAPF journal a couple of years ago that talked about which vitamins were needed for which part of the face. I don't remember what it said, but if you happen to know what I'm talking about... maybe that could help.

That would be interesting, if anyone can find an online copy.

[spughy]

Originally Posted by Junegoddess

Spughy's daughter is adorable! And, yeah, I can see what her palate was rated "perfect." Nice square jaw! (Is she taking offers for matrimony yet? I have an adorable, Viking-looking son to offer up... )

Do you think he's likely to keep that gorgeous hair into adulthood? Because that might make me inclined to overlook the 3 future husbands we've already lined up, plus some future wives if she turns out to be more inclined that way. (wow your kids are cute!) One of her little friends has such a huge crush on her that he rolls around on the floor when he sees her. It's very cute.

Ok, Leila - here is what my palate-judging expert mom said:

That kid looks fine but is possibly a thumb sucker.... She's got nice spacing between her upper teeth already and it looks as if there will be plenty of room for the permanent ones later on. What is her speech like? What do her parents/grandparents look like? Sometimes you can't conquer genetics!

So there ya go. Nuttin' to worry about. Your kid is FINE. (And does she suck her thumb? Just curious...)

[*Aimee*]

okay now do my kids!!

I was vegan when I conceived ds1, I tried to get pregnant for a year and couldn't, then the first month I was vegan I did. I was vegetarian throughout both pregnancies. We just started eating meat again a few months ago and I'm so scared I "ruined" them ya know?!

They were both born 4 weeks early and are really healthy, rarely ever sick, but DS1 refuses to eat most meat and DS2 is still on formula. I have IGT and can't nurse more than a few ounces a day and dH won't let me make formula until the kids turn 1. So it's similac now. I feel like I'm really ruining all their chances.
DS2 DS1 and of course the links in my siggy.

thank you and BE HONEST.

[bluebell]

i have no idea what to look for still - as all the kids in your pictures look so cute and pretty or handsome.
i'd love to post a picture of my dd but i've no idea how to do it, sorry to go off topic but could someone tell me how i can find out how to attach a photo to a post?
this is interesting - i'll dig out my book and have a look at the photos again.

[Junegoddess]

Originally Posted by *Aimee*

okay now do my kids!!

I was vegan when I conceived ds1, I tried to get pregnant for a year and couldn't, then the first month I was vegan I did. I was vegetarian throughout both pregnancies. We just started eating meat again a few months ago and I'm so scared I "ruined" them ya know?!

They were both born 4 weeks early and are really healthy, rarely ever sick, but DS1 refuses to eat most meat and DS2 is still on formula. I have IGT and can't nurse more than a few ounces a day and dH won't let me make formula until the kids turn 1. So it's similac now. I feel like I'm really ruining all their chances.
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Wow, Aimee, they sure don't look like preemies!!! It's really hard for me to tell much about the shape of a face on little babies, but the pick of your ds2 in the costume is adorable!!! Looks like quite a chunky guy, which is always a good sign. (too bad about the Similac) Ds1 is gorgeous! What a jaw! You were vegan beforehand?!? Are your teeth naturally-straight? You must have some good genes or something, because I have a very low opinion of the healthfulness (especially for TTC) of a vegan diet, but somehow it looks like your son is just fine. I hope that doesn't sound... bad... I'm knocking the vegan thing and I don't mean mean to be mean. Ugh, my communication skills are stinking this evening... second-guessing everything.

Sorry. Keep getting interrupted.

And Spughy- my dh still has curly hair. His is even tighter-curled, from what I've seen in old photos. He's in the Army now, so he's never allowed to grow it long enough to tell now. So, my little guy should keep the curls... I *love* the fact that your daughter has a line forming, and an equal-opportunity one, too!

And, I will see if I can find my old copy of the WAPF magazine... it's around here somewhere. It was a VERY technical article... maybe I can summarize it.

[Junegoddess]

Originally Posted by bluebell

i have no idea what to look for still - as all the kids in your pictures look so cute and pretty or handsome.
i'd love to post a picture of my dd but i've no idea how to do it, sorry to go off topic but could someone tell me how i can find out how to attach a photo to a post?
this is interesting - i'll dig out my book and have a look at the photos again.

Well, I'm not as good at the palate game as some, but... if you click on the picture of my son, look at his head. Very broad at the top, coming down to almost a point at his chin. Ideally, a well-developed face is round or square. The cheeks shouldn't be narrower than the top of the head. The jaw should not be pointy. The best example I can find quickly is here. Scroll down just a bit and look at the woman on the left. Her face is very square. Straight down from her temples to her jaw. Gorgeous!

As for posting pics... you need to use a hosting website like flickr, photobucket, or Picasa. Do you know anything about those? You put the picture there, and then put a link to it here.

[LionTigerBear]

Originally Posted by *Aimee*

DS2 DS1 and of course the links in my siggy.

thank you and BE HONEST.

First off, don't feel guilty!!! You are doing great! Your older son has some narrowing, but it's not horrible and the fact that he has a nice chubby little face is really good. His jaw and teeth are still growing and so it's not set in stone, they can get wider as his diet improves. My son wouldn't eat any meat for a while too, but I fed him raw egg yolks and coconut oil hidden in a banana smoothie, every day, sometimes twice a day, for over a year. I believe that's probably the biggest thing that turned his health around, the coconut oil and raw egg yolks in the smoothies.

Your younger son, it's too hard for me to tell, but I don't see any noticeable narrowing at this point. Looks pretty round to me.

[leila1213]

Originally Posted by spughy

Ok, Leila - here is what my palate-judging expert mom said:

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So there ya go. Nuttin' to worry about. Your kid is FINE. (And does she suck her thumb? Just curious...)

Thanks! No, she doesn't suck her thumb and never has! Does booby in her mouth 12 hrs a day count?

Originally Posted by LionTigerBear

Leila, I can't tell, I'm sorry! I can say it doesn't obviously look bad though!

Here is my first son at 2 months old. You can see that, in spite of having switched to a TF diet shortly before concieving him, he still has a thin, pinched face. He was also a lean and colicky baby. Poor little guy.

Here is my second son at about the same age for comparison. I had been on the TF diet longer. Look how fat and healthy he is. He had a very sweet, easy disposition, too. And never any baby acne at all.

Here are the boys now: you can see that with intensive work (GAPS diet), my older son's face has filled out a bit and his facial structure has actually widened a lot.

That is very encouraging! Thanks for the pics!

Originally Posted by *Aimee*

okay now do my kids!!

I was vegan when I conceived ds1, I tried to get pregnant for a year and couldn't, then the first month I was vegan I did. I was vegetarian throughout both pregnancies. We just started eating meat again a few months ago and I'm so scared I "ruined" them ya know?!

They were both born 4 weeks early and are really healthy, rarely ever sick, but DS1 refuses to eat most meat and DS2 is still on formula. I have IGT and can't nurse more than a few ounces a day and dH won't let me make formula until the kids turn 1. So it's similac now. I feel like I'm really ruining all their chances.
DS2 DS1 and of course the links in my siggy.

thank you and BE HONEST.

I swear, the food refusal thing I think is my biggest problem (besides DH's sabotage!)...DD has willingly eaten eggs like maybe 5 times in her life...avocado maybe 3 or 4. I have been making sourdough french toast almost every day to get her to eat the butter and eggs, but that comes with maple syrup and I don't make my own bread, so, there you go. Sometimes she will eat/drink smoothies, but it's very unpredictable when that will happen, so I end up eating a lot of what I make for her. She used to take CLO with vit C and probiotic, then started refusing and I can NOT get her to take it now. I thought I was a genius to mix it into her spaghetti (rice noodles), but she turned her nose up at it. Also won't do it with orange juice. Any other ideas?

[*Aimee*]

Thank you! i'm more worried about ds2 because his teeth are coming in so close together! DS1 has big spaces between his teeth.

I had braces, and headgear and DH has messed up teeth too. I only had braces on 4 teeth but DH's jaw is even off.

I just can't get DS1 to eat ANYTHING. Like, hmmm, he'll eat mac and cheese, and eggs, and animal crackers. That's it. Oh and I do make bread and he'll eat it with almond butter. and apples, grapes and oranges. But that's seriously all he eats.

I'll try the smoothies. I think he'd really like those.

[*Aimee*]

Oh and I also wanted to say, both my boys were 4 weeks early. I am so wondering when I get pregnant again if I'll carry to full term now that I eat meat.

[Vaquitita]

what do you guys think of ds teeth?

http://http://i387.photobucket.com/a...Jacobteeth.jpg

when he shuts his mouth his bottom teeth are behind his top teeth, but he likes to jut his bottom jaw forward alot -making faces. i worry about this because i had an underbite. he is doing it in this photo.

i didn't find tf till after ds was born. but grew up ala adele davis and so ate a pretty healthy diet growing up and during my preg (i did flirt with low fat for awhile preconceiving, but loved butter too much to really stick with it). dd doesn't have any teeth yet, but i'll try to find a picture of her that shows her gums. im not sure since she doesn't have any teeth, but i think her palate is wider than ds's.

[GoddessKristie]

Originally Posted by Junegoddess

(Is she taking offers for matrimony yet? I have an adorable, Viking-looking son to offer up... )

I was wondering how I was going to find a nice girl who was raised TF and wanted to raise her children TF for my son. Now I know! TF arranged marriages. I have two goats and a terrifically square faced boy to offer.



Oh yeah, and since someone brough up Michael Phelps I have to bring up Gerard Butler. Check out that square face!

[Rainbow2911]

This is fun! Can I play? Here are my kids.
This is a very rare photo of ds2 with his head still taken this summer (I have so many pictures of a little blur... ). I ate fairly well when pg with him, but not tf. I started eating mostly tf when he was about 6 months old, and he has always been fed that way. Doesn't always eat the diet I'd like but he gets lots of raw goats milk, breast milk and cod liver oil.
Here is dd. My diet was probably worst with her when I was pregnant (lots of sugar and yuck). She was born 5 weeks early and had a very odd shaped head until she was 2 (which I can't find a picture of at the moment) but always had well spaced teeth etc. She has always eaten quite well and was breastfed until she was 3.5.
This is ds1. He is the only one whose teeth are a bit out of line (I think - I'm not an expert). His front teeth seem to be a little behind where they should be to me. He wasn't breastfed but has again always eaten well and has been eating tf for about 18 months. His jaw seems to be better than when he was small (this is a picture of him when he was 2 days old - note the complete lack of a chin! But he is holding his head up).