checking out relatives palates - Page 3

[bluebell]

junegoddess - thanks for explaining! i think i've managed to do this now so hopefully there will be a picture of dd taking just before she was 5 when she was loosing her first tooth she now has both her big teeth grown through and they seem to be straight.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32475473@N03/3033879177/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3247547...n/photostream/

dd has a much rounder face and jaw than me - but that does come from her father as they are round faced. her grandfather (dp's dad) was a dentist!!!

so how are her teeth looking? i'd be grateful of any opinions as i'm not sure myself.

[Junegoddess]

GoddessKristie- that IS a terrifically square-faced boy!! Adorable! Might be a bit young for my dd1, but if this new baby is a girl, you've got yourself a deal! I wanted to get some goats as soon as we buy a house....
And, um... I want to make babies with Gerard Butler!

Bluebell- your dd has a gorgeous shape to her face! It does look like her top teeth are a little narrow compared to her bottom teeth. Not an underbite, but almost. Considering how much my dd's jaw widened after a year of CLO/BO blend, I'm sure your dd's jaw could widen just a touch, too.

Vaquitita- I couldn't get your link to work.

Rainbow- it seems to me that your ds1 has the heart-shaped face that is so common these days- are his bottom teeth crowded? Your dd doesn't look like a preemie at all! Some preemie children just always look... different. Hungry, kind of. Pixie-ish. Her teeth do look good- nice spacing. Your ds2's teeth look pretty close together for baby teeth, but I'm just not much good at judging baby faces. The extra chubbiness to the cheeks makes it hard. Cute, but hard.

I'd better start digging around for my WAPF magazine like I promised...

[gardenmommy]

LOL at all the offers for marriage! I can tell a big difference between my #3 and #4 babies. #3 was my last veg., and I really didn't do the right thing. It's been hard to just forgive myself for not listening to my body. I can tell that she was shorted in the nutrition area, because her face is long and narrow, and she has a pointy ear. She also has a folded ear, which is a sign of a maternal deficiency (maybe B vitamins?), according to that article that was referenced earlier. Still, her teeth are nice and straight, and spaced very nicely. We aren't perfect (too many grains and too much sugar, IMO), but we do very well in the fats, protein and fruits and veg. dept. She is super healthy, too, so I think we are doing ok. I actually transitioned to TF after her birth, because she couldn't tolerate soy or dairy, and my diet was becoming so limited. So, she has been TF since about 6 months.

My older two children are ok, but I wish that their faces were wider. DS1 has a massive sweet tooth, unfortunately. He will take CLO, eat butter, and raw ice cream, so that helps. His teeth are nicely spaced, and straight, although he has a bit of a pointy chin. DH has a narrow face and pointy chin, so I'm sure genes are working there, too.

I think that that huge growth spurt in the teenage years is an excellent time to focus on nutritionally speaking. I've heard it said that the only other time the human body goes through more change is prenatally. Everything is changing, brain, bone growth, hormones, etc. It seems that you could do a world of good by focusing on the diet during those years. It is a shame that so many parents seem to forget about nutrition and allow their teens to just eat junk (after all, all teens drink soda and eat junk, right? It's a normal part of being an adolescent). I am hoping that having grown up on "real food", my DC will appreciate the difference in how they feel when they consume junk.

Ok, enough rambling!

[LionTigerBear]

Originally Posted by Vaquitita

what do you guys think of ds teeth?

http://http://i387.photobucket.com/a...Jacobteeth.jpg

I don't know why but I couldn't get that link to work! Sorry!

Originally Posted by GoddessKristie

I have two goats and a terrifically square faced boy to offer.



Oh yeah, and since someone brough up Michael Phelps I have to bring up Gerard Butler. Check out that square face!

Wow, I don't think Gerard Butler has a square face. It think it looks kind of oval, especially in that picture.

But your son, HE has a square jawline and that's fantastic! What a cutie!

Ruth, I agree your daughter does not look like a preemie at all! Your kids don't look unhealthy to me, (they're very cute!) like someone said the heart-shaped faces are pretty normal these days. And you can continue to work on their diet and can still make a big difference.

Originally Posted by bluebell

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32475473@N03/3033879177/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/3247547...n/photostream/

so how are her teeth looking? i'd be grateful of any opinions as i'm not sure myself.

Wow, bluebell, your daughter's face shape is REALLY good! Way to go! I know it's been really stressful for you, keeping her on the GAPS diet, but it is definitely paying off! Keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by gardenmommy

I think that that huge growth spurt in the teenage years is an excellent time to focus on nutritionally speaking. I've heard it said that the only other time the human body goes through more change is prenatally. Everything is changing, brain, bone growth, hormones, etc. It seems that you could do a world of good by focusing on the diet during those years. It is a shame that so many parents seem to forget about nutrition and allow their teens to just eat junk (after all, all teens drink soda and eat junk, right? It's a normal part of being an adolescent).

Oh, I so agree. My mom didn't know about TF, but she was pretty into health food when I was a child, and even drnak raw milk while she was pregnant with me. I always had a vey round face and a fairly squarish jaw as a girl. Then I hit my teenage years and started eating horribly and 1.) stopped growing taller-- I am 5'1" and put on no height at all in highschool-- and 2. my jaw didn't seem to grow or develop at all. I lost the good face shape I had before-- now it's a pleasant oval, but not as healthy. My hips never developed to look "womanly" either-- they are very very slender, which I suppose is a look which is kind of "in" right now, but to my mind it isn't as attractive as wider, womanly hip bones. So, I definitely agree that diet during the teenage years counts for a LOT!

[LionTigerBear]

Oh, as far as celebrities go, Brad Pitt has a pretty good jaw, about as good as you can find these days, and so did Cary Grant (wow!!!), and Ingrid Bergman had such a lovely round face. It's hard to think of celebrities with wide faces nowadays.

[spughy]

Celebs get a LOT of dental surgery done I think! Some of what looks good might not have started that way... I think Brad Pitt's chin is too pointy, I don't like it. And, out of curiosity, I just went and looked up People's top 10 sexy guys list from last year and the only guy on there who looked like he had half-decent facial structure was Will Smith. The others were all strangely lopsided, had pinched-looking noses (particularly the bridge) and were just NOT good looking. OMG I am turning into my mother. I need to get off this thread!

So... goats huh, GoddessKristie? Are they dairy goats? 'Cause goats are a pretty good bride-price, might even trump Viking genes Anybody got a cute TF boy, 3-6 years old, and a cow and 20 acres?

[LionTigerBear]

Originally Posted by spughy

Celebs get a LOT of dental surgery done I think! Some of what looks good might not have started that way...

Yeah, but there's nothing you can do to change the jawline (well not to make it fuller) so that's what I look for.

So did you check out Cary Grant's jawline? That thing is PERFECT. I bet he was raised on raw milk.

[janinemh]

I've been following this thread with great interest and thought I would throw in some pictures of my DS (2.5). He had a lot of issues with latch and weak suck when he was born and I suspect that is related to palate issues. We had to supplement with formula and he was very small and had a narrow face (I don't have any early pictures to post.) until we started solids at 5 months (earlier than we wanted...) when he started putting on weight better. That was about the same time that we started transitioning to TF. Before, our diet was probably a bit better than the SAD (mostly organic and limited processed foods) but I now realize it wasn't really all that great (not enough good fats, very little meat and too much sugar) I have also been diagnosed with several food allergies since then (chicken eggs, cow milk and gluten plus I'm discovering that I just don't digest any grains well. )
SO here are 2 recent pics. I think he has a pretty nice facial structure now but I am convinced that there is something weird about his top front teeth--either he is missing his right lateral incisor or he has an extra tooth between his incisor and canine on the left. He only has 9 teeth on top so he should get one more right? He hates it when I try to look at his teeth so its hard to really figure out what is going on but other than that, his teeth seem well-spaced and healthy to me.


http://picasaweb.google.com/janine.m...89174350658290

http://picasaweb.google.com/janine.m...86702808271266

ETA: neither of these really show his teeth well. I may try to get a better picture of them to post (but maybe when DH isn't around cause he already thinks I'm kind of obsessed with the whole teeth/palate thing)

[GoddessKristie]

This is crackin me up.
Janinemh: I think your boy has nice face structure. He's a really beautiful boy!

Here's a picture of DS' first 10 teeth You can see there's a slight imperfection in one on the bottom, but he has plenty of room and with CLO everyday I think he'll be fine by the time his adult teeth come in.
Here's a picture of DH as a baby. You can see he also has a very square face. Here with his mother. Here with his father. Here's a picture of me. You'll have to forgive the obviously embarassing things there, but that was the only picture I wasn't smiling in so you can actually see the shape of my face (I was pregnant!). What's interesting is that the widest part of my head is accross my cheeks from ear to ear (also where my palate is). I've never noticed that in a person before-hope that's a good thing! Here's my immediate family. You can see my youngest sister has a very narrow jaw and a pointed chin.
What's interesting is that my MIL had a more narrow face and her first two girls both ended up with narrow faces. DH was 9 years later and had a nicely square face. She's gone now so I have no idea what happened in those 9 years, but it is very interesting to see the difference.
My SILs' girls all have heart shaped faces and the oldest two have now had MAJOR work done on their teeth, both had palets that were too small and had to have dental appliances for something like 18 mos each followed by braces. DH had some crooked teeth, and had braces, but he never had to have an appliance.
I'm currently in "prep-for-TTC" mode and having a serious prenatal every day along with lots of CLO, bone broth, starting liver twice a week, etc. It will be exciting to see how #2 turns out

The goats are Nigi does, nice milkers

Here's a picture of Brad Pitt's face. Pretty square!
While I'm at it: Carey Grant
Ingrid Bergman

Oh yeah, about Gerard Butler, he does have a longer chin, but his face is very square from the top to the bottom of his jaw, which seems to be what is important. If you look his chin comes down, but the rest of his face is very square (his head is like a block!).

[lastrid]

I think the singer Duffy has a pretty wide palate: http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/I-INs...8f7A3Ott/Duffy

The thing about Brad Pitt is that it looks like his jaw narrows in the front. Compare that to the broad, flatter look of Carey Grant's face. I'm going to dig up som pictures of DS now...

[Holiztic]

okay, i am having so much fun looking at all your kids, I guess its time to throw mine in:


Here is DS now, at 19 months: http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/o...6_PA012998.jpg

Okay, go ahead mommies of toddler girls, start fighting for him!!!

ETA: Now that have a minute I'll give some details. I was vegetarian (highly processed foods, lots of soy) for my teen years and even was vegan for a year or so. I found WAPF at 23 and got rid of the soy immediately, started slowly on meat (not grass-fed) and dairy (not raw). By 25 I was eating about 50% TF and the other 50% was "pretty good". At 26, in preparation for TTC a year later, we upped our TF to about 75%, including finding raw, grass-fed milk, grass-fed meat, pastured eggs, starting CLO, etc. Then pregnancy kicked my a$$ and I couldn't stomach much for the first 4 months. I couldn't get the CLO down either. I turned it all around the last 3 months, though. DS was excslusively BF for 9 months (while I ate a very WAP diet), then he started homemade yogurt, bone broth, fermented beets and pickles, egg yolk, etc. He still nurses and eats a good TF diet, no sensitivities or dislikes. The only thing I see is that his bottom 2 middle teeth are too tight (the make a wide V with the point pointing to the back of his mouth). I hope they space out as he grows! I am wondering if this is because he was a bit underweight (not an issue anymore!!)--from low supply--his first 4 months, and those two were his first teeth (around 7 months).

I am going to try so hard to stay TF with the next pregnancy. With how healthy DS is and how nicely his face is shaped, I have high hopes for the next one!

[leila1213]

Originally Posted by Holiztic

okay, i am having so much fun looking at all your kids, I guess its time to throw mine in:


Here is DS now, at 19 months: http://i375.photobucket.com/albums/o...6_PA012998.jpg

Okay, go ahead mommies of toddler girls, start fighting for him!!!

OMG! He's darling!

[ryleigh'smama]

Okay, I can't resist.....Here is a picture of Dd, I ate a pretty SAD diet with her (didn't know about TF), BUT I craved steak and greens luckily, and she's been getting CLO daily for 1.5 years now. Her teeth have a ton of room in between.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZcKv6ccwhp...h/100_3170.jpg

This is ds, I did eat more TF while pregnant with him, but he and dd are only 23 months apart and she breastfed for most of that so I don't think it was optimal for facial structure. His teeth are much closer together, but he has been getting daily CLO for about a year now and his jaw is widening and teeth are spreading out.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZcKv6ccwhp...h/100_3145.jpg

This is a picture of dh now, he has a super square face, and straight teeth with room in between.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZcKv6ccwhp...h/100_3144.jpg

And this one is me. I have a square jaw, but my face is much thinner and longer than dh's (his mom drank raw goat's milk while pg with him, and at TF out of necessity because they lived off the grid and didn't have electricity) my mom ate a pretty SAD with me, and gave me nonfat milk at....oh around 6 months old. I never had braces though, my teeth had room but are a little crowded. I am a TF believer though, after all this CLO my jaw is widening, and my teeth aren't as crowded.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZcKv6ccwhp...h/100_3130.jpg


Sorry, this was longer than I intended, I have really enjoyed everyone's pictures!

[leila1213]

Kate, your jaw has really widened in adulthood? How long have you been taking the CLO? Do you do BO as well? How much do you take per day?

[ryleigh'smama]

I swear my teeth have become less crowded. I don't know if that is possible...but it must be. I do take BO also. I take fermented HVCLO 3-4 ml/day and 1/2 teaspoon of BO/day.

I meant to add, that even my dentist made a comment "Your teeth are easier to floss, If I didn't know better I'd think they were moving". I also had two cavities forming after I had dd that the dentist could not find on my last visit.

[MadameXCupcake]

Originally Posted by ryleigh'smama

I swear my teeth have become less crowded. I don't know if that is possible...but it must be.

I really believe my teeth are becoming less crowded. I don't think mine is from TF I think it is because I am breathing through my nose more. I saw a WAPF article posted a few months ago about the importance of nose breathing, up until recently my bottom teeth were so crowded I couldn't even floss! Perfect top teeth though. Now if I only I could stop my gums from receding!!! Exposed nerves hurt.

I know a square face is good, but what about if the middle of the face is the widest? Thats how mine is..
I want to jump in! This is a picture of my daughter and me. I dont know how much you can tell from a baby face but I think my daughters looks awesome, Nice and square! I worry a lot though not only did I have hypermesis just about my entire pregnancy we had FTT with her for about the first two months. We learned at one mouth she was down more than a pound of her birth weight!

http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...omandbelly.jpg

[MadameXCupcake]

Oh I forgot to add this thread has some of the cutest babies I've ever seen especially the little boys!!

[neveryoumindthere]

nak

OK I read through this entire thread and I still have no clue what you all are talking about!
How does eating TF change hte palate/face shape and why does it matter? Any links I can go through?

thx

[quietserena]

Originally Posted by neveryoumindthere

nak

OK I read through this entire thread and I still have no clue what you all are talking about!
How does eating TF change hte palate/face shape and why does it matter? Any links I can go through?

thx

I can't find my bookmark on the wapf page, but the front page of the ppnf has the simple information. Here's some info on Weston A. Price and his research.

[bluebell]

wow this is so interesting! all day i've been looking at peoples faces! - it gets a bit obessive!

junegodess and liontigerbear thanks for your comments on dd's face, i'm glad that things are looking good for her. i so wish she would take codliver oil and butter oil! but not a chance of getting her to take it at the moment, so i'll just have to hope that the other tf stuff she eats will help. its so interesting to see everyone's pictures.

i've been studying my own face and i'm so sad that its so narrow! i keep thinking how if only i'd had tf as a child then i'd have a rounder face! i'm lucky to have straight teeth though but my palate is quite narrow i think. its such a shame that despite being tf now i know its not going to change