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post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by eepster View Post
Did she ever get instruction on how to use the computer? It sounds like reading isn't the problem, doing the computerized tests is.
Almost all of the AR tests are done via the computer these days. Some places may still use paper testing for the AR program but it is not very common.
post #22 of 29
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She does fine with the AR program. The test she had the issue with is the STAR computer-reading test.
Well, that is completely bizarre to me.

Do you know what the STAR reading test is? It is only fill in the blank. There is a sentance with a word missing and then the child fills in (multiple choice) which word they think goes in the space.

Generally, though, I have not seen the STAR reading test given to children they think will be at that "low" of a level (in our district it is not given until towards the end of 1st grade OR for first graders they think are reading at least at a 3rd grade level).
post #23 of 29
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The other thing that makes absolutely no sense to me is the grades on her report card - there are 2 grades - a "quarterly" grade and a "report card" grade. Her grade in reading was a C for quarterly, and F for report card. I have NO clue what this means.

Her teacher is extremely condescending in his little notes. He loves to make sad smilie faces. He has also recommended reading her books at home, assuming that we do not. Here is an exact quote - "Please take time to read to J. at home every evening, you can check books out at the library for free. It is critical that you make time for this". My children literally have a hundred or more books in their current rotation (not to mention the boxes of books in storage). We frequent the library weekly. On average we read 5 or more stories before bed. I hate that he is assuming 1.) My children never get read to, and 2.) that he needs to convince me to take time for them. I plan to take a home video of her reading with me to the conference so he can see what she is doing at home. She reads Dr. Seuss books fluently (The Cat in the Hat, Hop on Pop, Go Dog Go). Dr. Seuss is definitely not advanced, but I think they are right on level for a 6 year old.
post #24 of 29
I teach grades 1 and 2 and she sounds like she's doing just fine to me. The expectations at your child's school sound really high and I can't imagine any of my Grade 1s doing those computerized reading tests, especially so early in the school year. Has this teacher ever even sat down and read with your daughter or is he basing everything on these ridiculous tests?
post #25 of 29
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I teach grades 1 and 2 and she sounds like she's doing just fine to me. The expectations at your child's school sound really high and I can't imagine any of my Grade 1s doing those computerized reading tests, especially so early in the school year. Has this teacher ever even sat down and read with your daughter or is he basing everything on these ridiculous tests?
They get a story sent home daily (printed out on printer paper - front and back), the kids then read this to the teacher the next day. These are the papers she always receives A's (sometimes B's) on. So, he DOES hear her read (he's even giving her A's for her reading!), yet he is "concerned" because of the tests. I have no idea what his thinking is, but I intend to find out. The expectations are high. The last AR book she came home with was a level 2.0. Again, she always does perfect on the AR tests.
The grades I see come home, and the grade she got on the report card are totally different. I plan to take 20 or more graded papers (all A's) with me to the conference, and have him explain the F.
post #26 of 29
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She does fine with the AR program. The test she had the issue with is the STAR computer-reading test.
STAR is AR's reading-level test. It's supposed to be used to give teachers an idea of what level books the student should be reading to be at the appropriate AR level. The company never intended that test to be used for grading purposes, only for evaluation to help find the child's instructional reading level (or the child's "zone of proximal development" as the AR folks used to call it).

The STAR test is also not generally used with very beginning readers. There are too many factors that can influence its accuracy. For one thing, STAR uses Cloze-style text - in other words, there's a sentence with a blank, and the child has to choose the word that completes it correctly (multiple choice). For a young child who hasn't been in school long, this is not such an intuitive concept, and unless the students are given a lot of practice with things in this format, the scores will be pretty meaningless. Did your class get to practice long enough to get comfortable? (There is a practice section available at the beginning of the test, but I can't recall how long it is. Regardless, without having practiced the same skills with pencil and paper, a lot of kids that age will not have grasped the concept well enough to have the results be meaningful. Add in unfamiliarity with computers, a mouse, etc. and you can see why results aren't always very accurate with the earliest readers.

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They get a story sent home daily (printed out on printer paper - front and back), the kids then read this to the teacher the next day. These are the papers she always receives A's (sometimes B's) on. So, he DOES hear her read (he's even giving her A's for her reading!), yet he is "concerned" because of the tests. I have no idea what his thinking is, but I intend to find out. The expectations are high. The last AR book she came home with was a level 2.0. Again, she always does perfect on the AR tests.
The grades I see come home, and the grade she got on the report card are totally different. I plan to take 20 or more graded papers (all A's) with me to the conference, and have him explain the F.
When you go in for a conference, I would have a list of questions ready to go. But, I'd approach the conference non-confrontationally. This situation sounds so bizarre and unbelievable, that I really wonder if there isn't some serious miscommunication going on.

Before the conference, I would ask the teacher to print out a report of your daughter's AR quizzes. He should easily be able to print this out, and it should all the quizzes (book tests) your daughter has taken, the AR level of each book, and her score on each book quiz. I'd look at that before the conference and bring it with you to the conference.

Then, here are some things I would definitely want to find out at the conference:

1. I would ask to see the specific criteria that your DD's teacher uses to figure out each grade. Ask him why he would take a .3 test as accurate - has he seen other evidence that her reading level is that low?

2. What level are her AR tests at? Unless she's taking test for books at a.3 level (and I don't think those exist - at least, they didn't use to), she can clearly successfully read more difficult books.

3. Why is he basing her grade on the STAR test (or whatever he outlines when asked question #1) rather than on the work that is coming home and the AR quizzes? If he says he uses STAR for the grades, ask him what the rationale for that is. Keep pointing out that STAR is a placement test, and ask why he would base grades on a placement test, not on the actual work he sees.

4. The AR company itself says that when a child can score 80% or higher on a book quiz, he or she understood the book. Consistently scoring at 100% might be a sign that the child is reading books that are too easy (but this would have to be determined taking a lot of other things into account), and consistently scoring below 80% would be a strong sign that the child was probably reading books that were too hard (though, again, the teacher would need to use his or her judgment). The AR company itself (which, again, MAKES STAR) would not suggest following STAR results that are clearly in conflict with all the other evidence.

Then, if you don't get satisfactory answers, I'd have a talk with the principal, taking along a copy of your child's AR quiz report and your child's work.
post #27 of 29
It is late and I ran out of time so I feel like I missed a bit, but as for the teacher indicating your should "take the time to read at night" I wouldn't take that as an inidication that they think you don't....I have gotten that from EVERY teacher my kids have had, whether they have been below, on, or above grade level for reading. I think it is just canned filler teacher language.
post #28 of 29
You need to talk to the teacher about this... heck, I have a Bachelors Degree and I have to sound out words I've never seen before (isn't that how you figure out what they say after all?)

I would ask what goes into the grade for reading, because if the marked worksheets (ugh at worksheets in grade one by the way) are not going towards the grade then you might as well tell him to stop sending them home since there are more fun ways to read.

Seriously sounds like he has to high of an expectation for reading in first grade. I would definatly argue that computer testing is really not sutable for grade one either. I mean seriously, they don't even like doing computer testing here in University unless it's an on-line course. As for the change in grade level of reading... Maybe she's feeling the stress the teacher is putting on speed and decided it's not worth the trouble to try her hardest when she knows what she can do and you know what she can do and the teacher refuses to accept that he has seen what she can do.
post #29 of 29
I don't have any solid advice but wanted to give you a big

My sister went through a year of hell in first grade with the worst teacher ever. She has some medical issues involving her lungs so was absent a bit (chronic bronchitis and pneumonia) and the teacher blamed my mother for "letting" her stay home all the time and thought her issues in school were from missing so many days... like 15 all school year, all with doctor's notes. She was barely promoted to grade 2. Three weeks into second grade her totally awesome teacher called my mom in for a conference and recommended that my sis be tested for learning disabilities. Turns out she has a few LDs, most particularly one involving test taking. She can verbally tell you the answer to a question but her brain freezes and doesn't send the appropriate signal to her hands to write it down. So she doesn't test well at all and needs extra time or needs to take a test where she can answer the questions verbally. Just a thought that perhaps your DD doesn't test well?

Also, the teacher sounds like a jerk. Any idiot can see that your DD is doing a wonderful job at reading and just not doing well on the test. As mentioned above, maybe a LD, maybe she's just nervous about the test itself. It's idiotic to base her grade on 1 stupid test though.

GL,
Beth
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