6 month WBV - may have to find a new doc

[Marnica]

I just got back my son's 6 month WBV. She was very nice and didn't push the non vaxingissue, although she did try to convince me about the Prevnar and the HIB in particular. Here is the problem. When I showed her my "alternate form" she said she's keep a copy in my chart, but that both myself and my husband had to sign this other form (one that I had not seen before) as it was their office policy. I took the form and said I'd mail it back to her. I read it when I got in the car. This form is worse then the first one I did sign and had a problem with. Here are some quotes from it

"Delaying vaccines put our patients at greater risk for dangerous and potentially fatal preventable contagious disease. Futhermore, unvaccinated and undervaccinated children put other people's children at risk by increasing the risk of infectious disease in the community. Under vaccinated children are at a greater risk for certain bacterial infections. For their own safety, they require more agressive investigation of fevers and may need more aggressive use of antibiotic therapy which can promote further increased antibiotic resistance in the community. There is no vaccine that is unimportant........Both parents must sign the vaccine refusal form. There are no exceptions. Failure to adhere to these policies may result in dismissal from our practice"

HMMMM well I have a big problem signing this form since it is one sided and full of bullcrap. I am planning on writing her back and sending my alternate form signed by both Mark and myself but I want to address why everything above is untrue and unproven scientifically. I would love any suggestions or things I can point out to her as now my mind is swimming and I am just POed. I don't get the whole part where they are saying if my child gets a fever or gets sick they would need to have "more agressive" therapies to treat them...does that make any sense to anybody?? What if a vaccinated child gets a baterial disease because the vaccine failed...are they saying that child would not need as "agressive" an intervention as a non-vaccinated one??

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[cjuniverse]

I know it's hard, but try to relax mami.

They are just trying to scare you/pressure you into vaxing. Most people would read that form, freak out, and probably end up complying out of fear or to avoid the 'hassle' entirely. It's a very intentional and concerted effort on their part to coerce you. Don't let them.

I'd high-tail it away from this 'practice' as fast as you can!

[Full Heart]

Actually if I was a vaxing parent and knew that my dr had a form like that for their unvaxing parents to fill out I would be livid. They are saying that if my child got sick they would not be as aggressive treating my child as an unvaxed child because they are assuming the vaxes worked when it might not have. They could be misdiagnosed. My child could have a reaction but they would not be aggressive in treating it!

I wouldn't sign that form and I wouldn't go back either. I would send them a detailed letter outlining the flaws in their "logic" if you can even call it that. I'd also tell that that failure to respect a parents wishes could get them fired as your physician.

Some informed consent that is.

[peainthepod]

If you love everything else about their practice and don't want to find a new ped, just cross out the parts you disagree with, initial it nearby, and then sign the form. It might end up being like two lines long by the end, but that's okay. Don't sign anything you wouldn't vouch for!

If you're not in love with this practice, start looking elsewhere and make sure they know why. That form is ridiculous and you're right not to sign it. Sorry you're being put in this stupid situation, mama.

[Gitti]

What if a vaccinated child gets a baterial disease because the vaccine failed...are they saying that child would not need as "agressive" an intervention as a non-vaccinated one??

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Yes, that is what she is saying. She is incompetent and I would not trust her at all. She is all about "policy" and feels that her hand are tied to think for herself.
Once some doctors finish their training they forget that they can still think. They are on autopilot.

I don't get the whole part where they are saying if my child gets a fever or gets sick they would need to have "more agressive" therapies to treat them...does that make any sense to anybody??

That tells me she unsure of herself and would not trust to treat a child that is not vaccinated. She would rely on the vaccine status and thus could miss some very serious infections.

Relax and over the next few days write down everything that bothers you with what her form contains. Keep paper and pencil with you at all times, because things will come to mind at the oddest times.

Don't send any letter too quickly. You might think of more and more...

The only thing is she will probably not want you to come back for her advise since she will realize that you know more than she does on the subject and it will make her even more uncomfortable.

She has no choice. Unless she wants to abandon all pHARMa support and goodies, and the backing of the AAP in case she get sued, she has to abide by their guidelines.

If a child dies because of a vaccine reaction, you have no case. If a child dies of measles and she had agreed to wbv knowing you don't vaccinated, you have a good chance of winning money and she of losing her license.

She has no choice but to be big pharma regulations/indoctrinations compliant.

[kiara7]

Write her a letter stating she will accept any and all personal and professional responsibilities and be completely liable if your child has a vax reaction or gets sick with a vpd and tell HER to sign it.

[spero]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I would love any suggestions or things I can point out to her

Don't even bother, they don't want to hear any other POV and you'll only be wasting your breath. Trust me, I have BTDT. We were recently fired by our ped over this VERY issue. And I was happy to leave them, too. I even wrote them a letter telling them exactly how I felt about their "office policies" and my "non-compliance".

[tanyalynn]

If they went to the trouble of writing up a custom form like that, they don't care what you say, they know everything already. I think you deserve better. The first time firing a doctor is hard (even without a confrontation, just the decision itself) but after that it gets easier.

[T&D2005]

Hmm well, I'd find a new doctor. I'd find one who was more accepting of my stance and didn't make it seem so one sided. My theory is a doctor that is taking care of many non vaxed or selectively vaxed children will have more experience dealing with things whereas this doctor seems to use fear and probably doesn't have many non vaxed pts. This can make the difference in how quickly your child is treated.. she might go off the deep end suggesting a bunch of useless tests because she just doesn't know better. But that's just me.

[pammysue]

Originally Posted by Gitti

She has no choice. Unless she wants to abandon all pHARMa support and goodies, and the backing of the AAP in case she get sued, she has to abide by their guidelines.

If a child dies because of a vaccine reaction, you have no case. If a child dies of measles and she had agreed to wbv knowing you don't vaccinated, you have a good chance of winning money and she of losing her license.

She has no choice but to be big pharma regulations/indoctrinations compliant.

Sure she has a choice. We did not have to sign anything at our Dr's office. They just made a note in DS's chart. Ours is not a "nonvax-friendly" practice either-we are our Dr's (it is a large practice) first and only patients refusing vaxes.

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

If they went to the trouble of writing up a custom form like that, they don't care what you say, they know everything already. I think you deserve better.

ITA

[Tracy]

And did she tell you about anything like this?

I"m sure the answer is no.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=771950


I say save your breath, hug your child and move on....you are being spared.

hugs

[Marnica]

Thanks girls,

I agree. This is a large practice and they are more concerned with their forms being signed than having positve relationships with their patients. I think I will send her the form back UNSIGNED with a letter as to why. I know it wont make a difference but it would make me feel better and let her know Im not an idiot and have done my research. I have the name of a DR who is ok with no vaxing. She is kind of far from me but I dont care. Its worth it. Its only a 30-40 min drive. I do not however know if she makes patients sign waivers. I have no problem signing a form (I know they need to cover thier butts) but its how the form is worded. I have no issue with the revised AAP form for example as it addresses BOTH sides of the issue and doesn't make it sound like you are admitting to medical negligence. The whole issue is just SAD.!!!!

[Proverbs31]

Originally Posted by pammysue

Sure she has a choice. We did not have to sign anything at our Dr's office. They just made a note in DS's chart. Ours is not a "nonvax-friendly" practice either-we are our Dr's (it is a large practice) first and only patients refusing vaxes.

Ditto, we've never been asked to sign anything. The AAP doesn't require pedis to use this form (or any other form); they simply back the pedi's choice to do so.