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jillywilson
07-05-2005, 10:32 AM
My 5yo DD is developing a long list of fears that are controlling our lives lately. I'm not sure how to handle them anymore. I've gone the route of being sensitive and trying to reason with her, but I'm loosing patience. I also don't want to encourage the behaviour by being too accommodating. Are these normal phases?

Here's a sampling of the most bothersome ones:

- a scary clown lives in our bathroom. This one started a few months ago and I would sit on the floor while she used the potty. We talked about how there really wasn't a clown in our bathroom and what a good imagination she has. She had the idea of drawing a picture of a happy clown to hang in the bathroom. Then, I had to hold the picture of the happy clown and talk for it saying things like "How's it goin?" and making jokes. I wasn't always so calm and started saying "There's no clown. I can't come with you now. Just go to the bathroom already!!" After a month or so, she stopped talking about the clown and took down the happy clown picture. NOW, she says she's thinking about the clown again. I told her this time that I wasn't doing the clown thing anymore and that she got over it before and she can get over it again. I'm just afraid that it is becoming some kind of attention getting thing.

- walking in grass in barefeet. She got a little thorn in her foot running through a sprinkler about a month ago. It was easily removed and she admits it didn't hurt after that. She was fine for a couple of weeks, but now refuses to go barefoot in grass. So now there have been a couple of times at other people's houses where she wants us to carry her through the grass to get into the pool or wants to stand on a rug under the sprinkler. I told her that if she wants to have fun and get in the pool, she can walk to the edge and take off her shoes and get in. No, she might accidentally touch grass. Well, sorry, but I'm not going to cater to this fear by saying "Yes, I'll carry you."

- touching wood. This one has been going on a long time. She's had a couple of splinters in the past that were not serious - easily removed. However, now she says she won't touch wood. We've convinced her that our wooden floors and door frames have been painted and pose no danger. But, there are still plenty of other dangers in her eyes. She won't sit on wooden benches even when clothes are covering her skin. She'll only play on the swings at wooden playgrounds. She wanted to use chop sticks at the Chinese restaurant, but when she discovered they were wood, she wrapped the ends in her napkin. She freaked out at a friends house when she had taken her shoes off on their concrete patio, but couldn't get back in the house without stepping on the "wooden" steps. They weren't even wood, but that recycled plastic that looks like wood. She wouldn't believe us that they were plastic and just cried. Upon seeing people on TV waving little American flags she said, "How can all of those people touch wood like that?" I said "I don't know, you'd think they'd all be screaming from the pain of the splinters."

- germ fear. I've gone on long enough, but here's one example. Upon taking a fork out of the drawer, it hit the WOODEN edge of the drawer and said it was dirty now and wouldn't use it. Lots of things like "She ate a cracker that she dropped on the couch? Will she die?"

There are other more common ones - bugs, dark, loud noises, etc.

She's also becoming super sensitive to getting her feelings hurt over very small things like trying to hand me a towel and I say "Oh, thanks, but I don't need it now." Tearing up, she says, "I was just trying to help. That hurt my feelings." Or, God forbid we chuckle at something cute her 2 yo sister does.

Oh, she's also started freaking out if we don't sit in the exact spots at the dinner table that she wants us to sit in.

She's a smart and creative child. There haven't been any major changes in our family or friends. These mostly started in the last 6 months. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you if you made it through this very long post.

Jill




earthcore
07-05-2005, 10:48 AM
It sounds a lot like obsessive compulsive disorder. (My brother has OCD.)
I would look into it if I were you. At least do some reading online. Good luck.

moondiapers
07-05-2005, 10:52 AM
Wow, from what you say it seems to be getting worse, not better. For that reason, and because of how long it's lasted and how severe it seems, I would try to find a child psychologist that does play therapy. Play therapy is great because the child doesn't even know they are being analyzed. They just go see their grown up friend and get to play with an adult that devotes an hour totally to them. My dd used to go. She had lots of fun soaking up the attention of her special grown up friend and because she was so relaxed she opened right up to her.


-Heather

onlyboys
07-05-2005, 11:39 AM
I think that all of what you wrote is normal at points in childhood. I ahve a child who is prone to freak out over things that I think are fairly trivial, but I give him the freedom to explore those feelings and thoughts and actions to hopefully find a place of peace about them.

My oldest is 9 and he's outgrown many of his phobias and general quirkiness, just to let you know.

Mydragonboy
07-05-2005, 01:23 PM
I was very much like this as a child (I am told) and I do have OCD. This doesn't mean that it isn't in some sort of normal range...but I agree with the PP who suggested merely looking into it. I was especially struck when you wrote that your DD said "that she was having thoughts about the clown again." It's almost as if she knows the thoughts and not an actual clown is the problem?

GranoLLLy-girl
07-05-2005, 01:58 PM
It looks as if some of the posters will tell you this is normal, while others will tell you it's some form of something (OCD, etc.).
So if it were me, I would decide if *I* think it's problematic or normal (I use these terms loosely!), and then contact someone professional that can at least point me in the right direction.
Maybe just one gathering with a child or family therapist can turn you on to some books to read, or whether you need to seek professional help.
Sorry if this sounds fuzzy, but it's really a judgment call.
Something else I might consider--if your child is around other kids her age, ask the parents of those kids to give you feedback on your child when she interacts with their child. That might help.
I have a dd with SID and it's been a tough road in many ways.

The Lucky One
07-05-2005, 02:24 PM
Like the PP said, YOU know your dd best and if her/your lives are becoming greatly disrupted by her fears, then yes, I think it may be time for professional help.

In the mean time, and I hope I can say this without sounding critical, try your best not to be scarcastic or mean/angry with her. I promise you she is not trying to be annyoying or get on your nerves with her quirks and fears. I know it can be very hard to deal with someone who has OCD tendencies, but if most of the time, even in children, they *know* that their fears are irrational ones. Then, on top of that, if someone teases or antagonizes them, it only adds to the anxiety they already feel, making the whole situation worse. Please try to be sensitive, as hard as it may be sometimes.

I hope you find some resolution in this soon.

eilonwy
07-06-2005, 07:31 AM
I was just wondering-- was your daughter by any chance sick about a week before this all started? Sometimes a child will be perfectly fine and then they'll get sick (usually with strep) and overnight they begin to have problems with OCD.

teachma
07-06-2005, 10:22 AM
This is very much like my son, who is also almost 5 years old. He has some fears like your daughter's clown one (he has a recurring fear of a wolf coming into our house, as in little red riding hood). He also has a HUGE issue with touching things, or other things (like a fork, for instance) touching things (like the side of the table). He worries that he swallowed poison sometimes. I posted more in the Special Needs forum in a newly started thread about OCD, if you want to read it. We did just start seeing a child psychiatrist, and he LOVES going to her once a week. So far, it has been all playing and they haven't really started to "work" on the issues yet. It is very tough being a parent wheen your child has so many fears controlling his or her life! My son doesn't do the OCD stuff when he's at school or camp, though, mostly just with me, DH and his grandma. Isn't that strange? What about your dd?

jillywilson
07-06-2005, 11:16 AM
Thank you for all of the responses. I've been doing some OCD reading. She doesn't seem to have the Compulsive behavior - just the Obsessive behavior. I think I am going to start looking for a specialist, though. Last night she was up for over an hour crying and asking us to cancel our camping trip because there MIGHT be thunder and lightening. We talked it through very calmly and this morning she's back to making camping plans. Whew! She wasn't scared of thunder before and has actually seemed to enjoy the storms we've had, but I think her cousin might have said something to her about how lightening could kill you.


In the mean time, and I hope I can say this without sounding critical, try your best not to be scarcastic or mean/angry with her. I promise you she is not trying to be annyoying or get on your nerves with her quirks and fears.

Thank you. I am trying really hard to not be sarcastic. I tend to be sarcastic by nature so it is a struggle for me. The more I see this as a real problem and not just an attention thing, the easier it is for me to stay calm.

eilonwy - No, no illnesses. We've actually managed to stay very healthy in our household even through the winter. That is interesting to know, though.

teachma - I just read that thread you refer to. I haven't really thought about whether or not she shows these symptoms when we aren't around or not. She's always with one of us, but I'll start paying closer attention to that. Good luck with your son and it's good that he is open to see the psychiatrist.


Jill

teachma
07-06-2005, 12:14 PM
Last night she was up for over an hour crying and asking us to cancel our camping trip because there MIGHT be thunder and lightening.

Similarly, my son intensely feared a trip involving a ferry because "What if the boat got a hole in it, couldn't it sink?" His fear of this trip actually triggered a lot of other obsessive behaviors that we haven't yet gotten over.

Also, I can really relate to the idea that hearing a story about something (like your dd with lightning's ability to kill people) fuels a new fear...I feel like I sometimes walk on eggshells around ds so that I don't say something to start a new worry. Our neighbor had told ds about poison ivy a month or so ago, and that's why he's been worried about poison! Almost anything he hears can give him an idea. But yes, he LOVES his "worry doctor" and actually, yesterday morning, he was extremely apprehensive about the first day at a new camp and amidst all of tears, he said, "We really should have made me an appointment with the worry doctor before camp because then maybe I wouldn't feel so scared." He seems relieved to know that we are working to try to help him. Jill, I am so sorry you are going through the same thing, but I am comforted to know that I'm not alone. I consider myself to have mild OCD, FWIW, (I have some "superstitions," a little bit of an obsesson with the number 6, the same high-strung, perfectionistic personality my son has), but it never got like this. I hope our kids can learn to keep themselves in check so they can enjoy life more than they are right now!

armonia
07-06-2005, 12:17 PM
Not wanting to touch grass, wood and issues with loud noises and the dark could indicate sensory overload. I am a very sensitive type and can get overwhelmed with my senses. Tags in clothing and clothing in general that is not cotton really bothers me, I do not wear jewelry very often, I like my hair out of my face, etc. I do not like backgound noise, can't sleep unless it is very quiet. Maybe she is having some sensory issues.

Raven
07-10-2005, 12:20 PM
Not wanting to touch grass, wood and issues with loud noises and the dark could indicate sensory overload. I am a very sensitive type and can get overwhelmed with my senses. Tags in clothing and clothing in general that is not cotton really bothers me, I do not wear jewelry very often, I like my hair out of my face, etc. I do not like backgound noise, can't sleep unless it is very quiet. Maybe she is having some sensory issues.

I was going to suggest this too.:nod