View Full Version : Wheat/Gluten/Dairy/Corn/Soy/Berry-Free - Is it Possible? How????
UrbanPlanter 09-18-2005, 09:00 PM These are the things DS appears to be sensitive to.
I don't know yet about eggs or nightshades.
In any case, how can I feed a picky eater while eliminating wheat/gluten, dairy, soy, berries... what do I feed him? He loves and misses bread, crackers, and pasta. He also loves yogurt.
so far: granola, oatmeal, rice, rice noodles, fruit, goat yogurt/milk... he won't eat veggies; occasionally will eat chicken....
PLEASE HELP!!!!
UrbanPlanter 09-18-2005, 09:02 PM also, I have to provide snacks for preschool, bc all they serve is stuff with wheat, corn syrup, and hydrongenated oil - like nilla wafers and pretzels and wheat thins.
what can I pack that is portable and storable on a shelf?
Chanley 09-18-2005, 09:18 PM Tinkyada Rice Pasta
It is the best. you wont know the difference
Blue Diamond Almond or hazelnut nut thins. They are different but ok.
www.enjoylifefoods.com
Thier granola kicks butt! muffin recipe on the back is great too!
Pamela's cookies a yummy too. Not all are gluten free so read your labels.
The Garden of Eating Diet cookbook is corn, dairy, soy and gluten free naturally!
We love it!
Chanley 09-18-2005, 09:21 PM Ohh granola and oatmeal are NOT gluten free.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
luvmykidz 09-19-2005, 08:12 AM Try this (http://www.missroben.com) ... I have not ordered from there yet but plan to as soon as we know what else we need to eliminate (so far: peas, peanuts, corn, and soy). I like the site because you can specify what you need products to be free of and it will generate a list. And the pp is right-oats are not gluten free, although some people with wheat sensitivity can eat them.
HerthElde 09-19-2005, 09:47 AM Ohh granola and oatmeal are NOT gluten free.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
This makes me wonder - maybe he's not sensitive to gluten, but just wheat specifically? Have you tried soaked or sprouted grains as opposed to just regular whole grains? I don't know what kinds of reactions he's having, but if he's not anaphylactic, it doesn't hurt to give it a shot - regular whole wheat products have me running to the bathroom within minutes of eating, but I'm absolutely fine if I soak or sprout my grains, or if I eat sourdough or sprouted bread as opposed to regular bread. Dd is the same.
Also, check out the Healing the Gut tribe on the health and healing pages http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=336581
Chanley, that granola looks awesome! I would be so happy not to have to make all my cereal from scratch! I'm going to talk to my hfs about getting it in.
Indian food. Seriously. Take it up in a big way.
I can lend you an idli-steaming-thali. (It is a little carousel of metal trays with 2.5" dimples in them for putting idli batter and steaming it to make little lentil-rice cakes.)
There are delicious and colorful things you can make. Your pixie will be the envy of everyone.
luvmy3boys 09-19-2005, 12:32 PM Try this (http://www.missroben.com) ... I have not ordered from there yet but plan to as soon as we know what else we need to eliminate (so far: peas, peanuts, corn, and soy). I like the site because you can specify what you need products to be free of and it will generate a list.
I :love Miss Roben's products! They aren't cheap, but she makes some pretty awesome allergy free substitutes. Also, when if you place a big order you can get quite a few products free. We are gfcf and younger ds is allergic to peanuts, was sensitive to soy (but I think he has outgrown that, however, we still are mainly soy-free), he is also allergic to corn, and senstive to tomatoes and other acidy fruits. Vance's Dari-Free (potato "milk") is an excellent gfcfsf milk substitute for receipes requiring milk.
It is doable (not easy, but doable).
cathe 09-19-2005, 06:37 PM urbanplanter - do you want me to move this to the allergies forum? Those ladies know a lot about this stuff.
UrbanPlanter 09-19-2005, 08:29 PM urbanplanter - do you want me to move this to the allergies forum? Those ladies know a lot about this stuff.Ok :thumb
Thanks, all! I'm overwhelmed!
WC_hapamama 09-20-2005, 12:00 AM Check out kidswithfoodallergies.org
They have a lot of resources and people that could help you.
I've done wheat/oat/soy free before, but we were ok for dairy, corn and berries. Definitely check out the Miss Roben website... they have a lot of corn free products.
Missy 09-20-2005, 12:55 AM You still have corn and that's a BIG one!!! Most of the gluten-free products we've checked out have corn so we tend to mix our own flours. BTW, oats only contain gluten if they are x-contaminated. It doesn't occur naturally, but most US facilities have been pretty careless until recently. Irish oats are gluten-free. Our ds2 is allergic to: dairy, soy, egg, nuts, peanuts, wheat, barley, buckwheat, corn, all known fruit (except possibly blueberries and he won't eat those...), mustard, quinoa, latex, white potatoes... :blah ... :blah
We use a mix of rice flour and tapioca and, if we have it, sorghum. Potato flour, if you can eat it, is a great flour, too. I agree that Tinkyada has some really incredible pasta. All my kids love the products. Namaste has some good mixes and the facility is completely free of dairy, nuts, peanuts, soy, egg, corn, potato, and wheat so there's no chance of x-contamination. And, as WC_hapamama said, kidswithfoodallergies is an excellent source of support...
cathe 09-20-2005, 10:57 AM Moved to Allergies.
ALso, there is a great book called "THe Food Allergy Survival Guide". It has lots of recipes free of all common allergens and they are really good.
UrbanPlanter 09-21-2005, 11:31 AM so, yesterday I took ds to a "high tea" at church which had the standard staples: scones, clotted cream, tea sandwiches, etc., and tea :yum
I said to myself "it's a party; make allowances" so ds had two scones, two brownies, and some grapes. I had three cups of yummy tea and a scone and tea sandwiches :yum
Last night ds started playing fighting games and was hitting again!
This morning his eczema was much worse!
No more wheat!!!
HerthElde 09-21-2005, 11:34 AM Hmmm, he's still nursing, though, right? Could be the dairy in your own diet - or for that matter, there could very well have been dairy in the scones and brownies he ate . . . just a thought
UrbanPlanter 09-21-2005, 11:36 AM believe me, it's not dairy.
he does get a little bit of dairy typically - we've never totally excluded it; I put it in my coffee; he sometimes gets a little cheese or yogurt.
The dairy in yesterdays tea party was minimal.
clearly it is the wheat.
I've never eliminated any other food and found such drastic results.
HerthElde 09-21-2005, 11:56 AM That's great you figured it out then! Hopefully you'll be able to start him on a road to recovery - it's not easy to avoid wheat :( Many people that are allergic to wheat can tolerate spelt or kamut (IF the allergy isn't gluten specifically), so hopefully that will help, as they can be easily subbed for wheat in many recipes. I just hope that you don't have to cut it out of your diet as well.
Chanley 09-21-2005, 12:06 PM Personally, I would cut out all gluten and grains for a period and then introduce the spelt or kamut into the diet. Just to see.
Missy 09-21-2005, 12:10 PM The biggest problem with eating foods made by someone else is that we're never entirely sure of the ingredients unless they share the recipes and the labels with us.
The brownies and the scones were most probably made with both dairy and soy in addition to the wheat.
I understand that you've said: he does get a little bit of dairy typically - we've never totally excluded it; I put it in my coffee; he sometimes gets a little cheese or yogurt.
but this also got my attention:This morning his eczema was much worse!
Do you mean that he is typically dealing with some sort of break-out and it was just significantly worse after yesterday? If he getting dairy somewhat consistently, even in small amounts, it could keep his immune system revved up and responsive. For us, any sign of eczema is an indication that an allergen is present. Yesterday's incident could have been the result of several allergens in combination.
Missy
CraftyMommaOf2 09-21-2005, 03:32 PM Personally, I would cut out all gluten and grains for a period and then introduce the spelt or kamut into the diet. Just to see.
ita! my boys do ok with spelt, but wheat (oddly enough it's just wheat, i do believe, not gluten) is totally out.
hope this is ok to ask, but is his poo diff when he gets wheat?
UrbanPlanter 09-21-2005, 07:14 PM Do you mean that he is typically dealing with some sort of break-out and it was just significantly worse after yesterday? If he getting dairy somewhat consistently, even in small amounts, it could keep his immune system revved up and responsive. For us, any sign of eczema is an indication that an allergen is present. Yesterday's incident could have been the result of several allergens in combination.
Missywell, I've tried total dairy elimination before, and never got such drastic results as I have in the past week or so after eliminating wheat. When I removed wheat from his diet, the eczema nearly cleared up. This morning, it flared up, and I am attributing it mainly to the wheat bc that is the one thing I have never eliminated... but what you are saying about the dairy I will definately keep in mind.
UrbanPlanter 09-21-2005, 07:16 PM hope this is ok to ask, but is his poo diff when he gets wheat?not sure... but dh is usually on doodie duty ;)
Chanley 09-22-2005, 07:19 AM not sure... but dh is usually on doodie duty ;)
How the heck did you swing that one???
I need to come over and take notes. (tho my youngest is almost fully potty functional)
Bean was on a similar diet and I found this cookbook helpful
www.thegardenofeatingdiet.com
She was reactive to many foods, but in the end, gluten (wheat) was her main contributor. That is what was making her so sick!
I think that had we removed gluten sooner, she would have never been so sick or reactive to everything else?
I'll never know for sure, but now she is only off gluten and we eat healthy, natural foods. We don't really eat dairy or soy because I dont' feel they are healthy and they bother my stomach.
The cookbook I recommend is naturally free of corn, soy, dairy, and all grains. It is wonderful for that confusion at the beginning of trying this new diet.
Chanley recommended it to me and she has been a blessing around our house!
Good luck!
CraftyMommaOf2 09-22-2005, 07:55 AM forgot to tell you my fave cookbook!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1592330541/qid=1127393679/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-2841509-1283868?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
it's the kid friendly allergy cookbook. :thumb
UrbanPlanter 09-22-2005, 10:11 AM How the heck did you swing that one???
I need to come over and take notes. (tho my youngest is almost fully potty functional)DH and DS have the same equipment. I told DH that he has to "demonstrate" for potty learning. So, whenever DH is around, he gets to help DS in the potty (he used to be an enthusiastic diaper changer, too ;)).
eta: oh, and funny enough (and lucky for me) the doodie usually arrives when dh is home :LOL
CraftyMommaOf2 09-22-2005, 10:16 AM the reason i asked is because my 3 yr old never had a normal bm until an herbalist made a tincture for him to help clean him out. it also helps him to digest the wheat faster if he gets some. i was going to suggest it if he was having problems. ;)
realized i never told you why i was asking about your poor kid's poop. :LOL
UrbanPlanter 09-22-2005, 10:19 AM well, if it's not too much TMI, I've noticed a change in my poop since going off wheat :D
DS did have some trouble with pooping up until he was about 15-16 months or so, but he grew out of it somehow.
HerthElde 09-22-2005, 10:35 AM well, if it's not too much TMI, I've noticed a change in my poop since going off wheat :D
DS did have some trouble with pooping up until he was about 15-16 months or so, but he grew out of it somehow.
I think a lot of allergies and intolerances are "inherited" from mom because if mom isn't digesting something properly, that leaky gut syndrome occurs where the whole protein (or at least the protein not completely broken down) gets into breastmilk before the baby's digestive system is ready to handle it. At least that's how I understand leaky gut, I could be wrong.
I noticed the same thing when I first went off wheat, and like I said I can now eat it soaked (fermented) or sprouted - I actually figured out that dd's "eczema" is actually a candida rash, and both of us have a systemic candida problem which goes hand in hand with difficulty digesting wheat (for us). And of course, sugar is the absolute worst (dd reacts very strongly to sugar, especially her mood). I'd take us off grains completely until we heal, but I'm pregnant right now and don't feel comfortable going no-grain while pregnant, so I try to keep it down to two servings a day. Unfortunately, I've had a hard time being consistent enough with our diets to allow us to heal. Did you read the healing the gut thread? You may find it interesting if you're at a point where you're ready to tackle this, or even just to get a few ideas for the future.
UrbanPlanter 09-22-2005, 10:38 AM I want to go check out the HTG thread - when I have a bit more time to "digest" it - it looks like there is a lot of info there.
This is a very interesting journey.
megincl 10-02-2005, 03:10 PM also have a gluten free boy here. i strongly recommend quinoa pasta. ds loves pasta and we didn't know what we would do when we went gf. quinoa works great. he also does spelt pasta. although it's a form of wheat, it's supposed to have something like 90% less gluten in it. i wouldn't try it yet, though. but if/when you do try spelt, spelt bread tastes pretty much like regular.
we found gf pretzels at whole foods, and ds likes the hard rice crackers and nut crisps. also mini rice cakes.
one other thing: ds really likes to eat plain brown rice...you can buy "ready made" brown rice at trader joe's. you just microwave the bag for 60 seconds. that's pretty much a fail-safe food for ds.
good luck!
megin
CraftyMommaOf2 10-02-2005, 07:36 PM our never fail food is wheat free frozen waffles by vans. :o
Chanley 10-02-2005, 07:38 PM I am going to preface this by saying hte whole spelt thing drives me nuts~!
for those who are gluten sensitive, ANY GLUTEN even ONE molecule causes an immune response. A lifetime of immune responses predisposes one to cancers, diabetes, arthritis and a host of other autoimmune diseases. I would NEVER EVER feed a gluten intolerant kid spelt.
10% gluten is still wayyyy too much.
of all of the pastas we have tried, tinkyada RULZ!!!!!
jaylow 10-07-2005, 01:18 AM gluten free diets and food are available in plenty .. rimland labs is making rhm specially for autistic children who react adversely to cassein and gluten.. may be you can search the web for this.
Missy 10-07-2005, 01:35 AM There is a huge variety of gluten-free products available now--and almost all contain some form of corn.
Panserbjørne 12-10-2005, 03:09 PM Just wanted to say that I am 100% on board with Chanely. Any gluten (or dairy or other allergen) is too much. There just isn't enough info out there to really help people to understand that. It makes me very sad.
amyandelle 12-11-2005, 11:07 PM Ohh granola and oatmeal are NOT gluten free.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
This is very true!!!
I have not read all the posts so if I am repeating please excuse me...
My dd ate regular bread for months and she was fine. Then she had a "reaction" (diarrhea and a diaper rash) and all of a sudden she could not tolerate any Gluten anymore. I suspect Leaky Gut Syndrome but I can't say for sure because I do not have test results to prove it.
I suggest you cut out all Gluten like one on of the pp's suggested try www.enjoylifefoods.com they have awsome products!!
Here is what we eat Gluten, Dairy, Soy, and Corn free...
All meats
potaotes
all "Enjoy Life Foods" products
"Frontera" marinades
Bannanas
Pears
all veggies
Rice puffs cereal
Gluten free Rice milk
Goat milk
Goat cheese
Macaroni and Trees (I will have to get back to you on the brand)
ABC french fries (from Whole Foods)
products from www.namastefoods.com
Health Valley Canned soups (from Whole Foods)
If I think of anything else I will let you know!!
Take Care,
Amy :hug
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