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megincl
09-19-2005, 07:08 PM
We just recently got NCSS for toddlers/preschoolers. DS is 2.5, and we have used many of the solutions from the first NCSS to help him with his sleep. But, his nighttime sleep has been getting worse and worse again, so I'd love some support, both from those using the NCSS approaches and from any others who have some wisdom to offer in this area.

Here's some of our dilemmas:
1. DS definitely needs an early bedtime. He is in daycare until 5, and I think we need to have lights out definitely by 7:30. This seems like so little time to do evening activities, wind down, have a bedtime routine, etc. Any suggestions for making this work? I'm thinking that maybe we need to put off any dinner prep for the moms until after he's asleep. Not ideal, but may help.

2. DS routinely wakes in the am between 5:15 and 6am. Usually, it's much closer to 5:15. I am beginning to suspect he is hungry at that time. How can we give him a bit of a snack without encouraging waking up?

3. The biggie: it is taking DS over an hour to fall asleep after the bedtime routine is done. I lie with him and leave only if it is okay with him. He thrashes around, turns somersaults, sings loudly, lies on top of me, and more. It is VERY hard for him to relax his body. Sometimes I put huge amounts of pressure on his diaper, which seems to help him relax. I think that he's mostly over-tired by the time he's 10 minutes into these activities, making it even harder for him to relax. We need some major help here!

Other info: DS is generally a good napper, getting about a 2hr nap every day. When he sleeps 8.5-9hrs at night, however, that is still less than the "recommended" amount of sleep, not that I 100% buy into that. But I'm curious. He also has lots of food allergies, but mainly his allergens are out of his diet, and they don't seem to affect his behavior as much as his digestion (but maybe we need to look at this too). Going down for naps usually happens in about three minutes, no problem. Nighttime is an entirely different story.

We look forward to any and all advice,

megin and katie, two tired but very much in love moms to quinn :)




moonmama22
09-19-2005, 09:48 PM
1. DS definitely needs an early bedtime. He is in daycare until 5, and I think we need to have lights out definitely by 7:30. This seems like so little time to do evening activities, wind down, have a bedtime routine, etc. Any suggestions for making this work? I'm thinking that maybe we need to put off any dinner prep for the moms until after he's asleep. Not ideal, but may help.

Any reason you want him in bed this early??? I know it is "recommended," but maybe he just misses you and wants to spend some time with you in the evenings. We have given up trying to get ds in bed before 8:00, and just kind of go with the way the day is going. Ds has never slept very well - usually only four or five hours at a time, and sleeps with us the second half of the night. Usually, when he wakes he just needs some comforting to fall back asleep, and we can usually stretch this out until 8 or 9 in the morning on the weekends.

2. DS routinely wakes in the am between 5:15 and 6am. Usually, it's much closer to 5:15. I am beginning to suspect he is hungry at that time. How can we give him a bit of a snack without encouraging waking up?
Is he breastfed? Our ds will usually nurse on and off sleepily throughout the early morning hours (between 6 and 8).

3. The biggie: it is taking DS over an hour to fall asleep after the bedtime routine is done. I lie with him and leave only if it is okay with him. He thrashes around, turns somersaults, sings loudly, lies on top of me, and more. It is VERY hard for him to relax his body. Sometimes I put huge amounts of pressure on his diaper, which seems to help him relax. I think that he's mostly over-tired by the time he's 10 minutes into these activities, making it even harder for him to relax. We need some major help here!
Like I said before, maybe he just misses you, and is trying to keep himself awake in order to spend time with you. Our ds gets really wild and silly when he is starting to get tired. Maybe if you just give him an extra half hour of quiet time together before starting bedtime routine???


I'm interested in what you said about allergins though - our ds was on Claritin for severe hives for several months, and though they are gone now and we have stopped the Claritin, I've often wondered if that has been the catalyst for the sleep difficulties. And I'm not sure if you meant he sleeps 9 hours straight through, but I look forward to that day!!! Our ds doesn't sleep near the "recommeded" amount either!
I don't know how much help I was - I'm interested in hearing others' advice...
We look forward to any and all advice,

megin and katie, two tired but very much in love moms to quinn :)[/QUOTE]

moonmama22
09-19-2005, 09:51 PM
Wow - I messed that post up! Sorry I made it so confusing - I guess I'm not very good at this...
:blush

canadiyank
09-20-2005, 01:41 AM
I found that book very helpful!

She does talk about spending time in the morning together if there just isn't time after work - seeing that he's an early riser, would that work for you? (I'm a night-owl, so the thought makes me cringe, lol, but just throwing it out there...). Was curious what you meant by pressure on his dipe? Holding him down? I remember doing that a few times with dd at that age to help her keep herself still. My friend also taught me a helpful mantra: "Stop your body. Stop your voice. Breathe deeply. Let sleep come." Does he respond to massage, would that help him relax? The same wise friend also talked about teaching progressive relaxation...Pantley mentions that in her book, too!