UPDATE -Gov't admits they killed my baby - They slapped us in the face [Archive]

Momtezuma Tuatara

09-29-2005, 02:56 PM

Electra- the gov't is basically who you sue through the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. I believe it is the CDC, federal dept of health and someone else all combined.

This is where you are incorrect.

The National Childhood Vaccine injury compensation act is a "no fault" legislation. You aren't suing the CDC, federal department of health or anyone else all combined at all.

The system that you have is actually two-tiered not one tiered.

The first tier is what you have done which is "no fault" That means that you go to the Special Masters Court who look at the case, and see if there is enough proof that the VACCINE caused the damage. If the answer is yes, there will be a maximum payout for death of 250,000.

But that does not assign culpability. It is by definition, "no fault".

Neither CDC, the Government or the manufacturers will be paying out that money.

What happens is that the Government applies a levy to every vaccine shot. So every person who gets a vaccine, say Hep B. pays say for example $15,00 per shot which goes into the vaccine funds.

Then if someone makes a claim, a whole lot of the $15.00 that other parents or their insurance co paid for their vaccines, are metaphorically gathered up, and used to give you a cheque for whatever amount the court will decide. And be aware that that can take some time.

At this point, any parent has a choice.

Having acceptance at this level means that the Special Master has recognised that the vaccine caused the problem.

The parents can then chose to accept the payment, or decline and go tort. Which means that you go to they system that was in existence BEFORE this act, whereby the manufacturer of the vaccine is sued, and they have to pay the bill, not the ordinary taxpayer of the United States.

The beauty of this system as far as the manufacturers are concerned is that usually by the time the parents have got to the end of the Special Master's court routines, they are so fagged out that they usually roll over and take whatever is offered them.

Whereas under the old system, vaccine manufacturers would often find themselves with judgements in the line of 5 - 11 million dollars against them. Particularly if the child was still alive and going to need life-time expensive care.

With the NCVIC Act, usually parents are so relieved at the end of that process that they stop there. Some parents go on further, and get what their due is, and that's the bit that manufacturers don't want, becuase they want the average american to pick up the bill. They don't want to be slapped with time wasting tort cases that might send a real message to society, and might force them to pay out big time.

All the National Childhood vaccine injury compensation Act does is it penalises every singe person in USA who put money into that fund. it doesn't take up one second of a vaccine manufacturers time or resources, and is the equivalent of belting them over the posterior with overboiled instant noodles.

And the government sails along blithely, because being "no fault" they can say "It was nothing to do with us...."

The other reason I campaigned against this legislation is that before it was enacted we had the same type of legislation in this country, and of all the legislations possible, the "no fault" legislation is the most unjust.

In comparison with our country though, you guys have it cushy. There is zero pay out for death in this country, and if your child is seriously injured all you get is on-going medical expenses and respite care, but you have to be re-assessed every year, and re-apply every year, and its a total nightmare.

Which is exactly what they want to create, so that parents don't go through years of fighting the ACC only to get peanuts for monkeys.

So in one sense, the USA has a slightly better system than here, but in reality it still doesn't send any messages to the places where they should be sent.

What out system here does, is that its so hard, that parents don't use it. Then the Government is able to turn around and say "See? There aren't very many "compensated" vaccine reactions at all."

They actually consider "compensation" to be paying ongoing medical costs. I would have thought that was what was justly due. Compensation is a lump sum over and above that, which is something parents here can't have.

hannahgrace

09-29-2005, 02:56 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss. I hope through your story, others will be saved.

applejuice

09-29-2005, 08:39 PM

:hug

I know it will not bring back your dear daughter, Serra, but I hope it can make grief alittle easier for you.

Nothing can replace your beautiful daughter! G-d bless you in the years to come. You have suffered enough.

JamesMama

09-29-2005, 09:09 PM

I'm so sorry for your loss

Sherra

09-29-2005, 11:06 PM

I'm so sorry :( for your loss. Please keep telling your story over and over. You are such a strong mother. You never know who you can save.

Sherra

aniT

09-30-2005, 12:41 AM

I am very sorry for the loss of your daughter. I hope you can bring closure to your family soon.

DesireeH

09-30-2005, 01:30 AM

:hug I am so sorry for your loss.

mommyto3girls

09-30-2005, 10:05 AM

LavenderMae

09-30-2005, 10:51 AM

That is truly a slap in the face. I am just so sorry for your loss and that now you and your family are going through this.

DevaMajka

09-30-2005, 11:06 AM

Wow. That truly is a shame that they'd even attempt that. I'm sorry for your loss, and I'm sorry that this whole thing can't just be over.

Becky

Starr

09-30-2005, 11:12 AM

I am sorry for your loss, a parent should never have to bury a child. :(

I am wondering about something though. What were you hoping for with their offer? Do you just want them to admit that the vaccine caused her death or is it a money issue. Again i apologize because I do not want this to come across as a slap in the face (which reading it back to myself it does). I know you don't want to take the money becuase you can put no value on your daughters death, but isn't the fact that they admitted it the bigger issue? I think its great you are trying to be an advocate. Did the settlement they offered include the stipulation that you can not talk about it in the future? To me it seems like the best case would be to accept the offer and invest into publicly speaking about your daughter and the dangers of vaccinations. Please don't take this as an insult just curious what they could do that would put you at peace.

So sorry you are having to go through this. :(

Tracy

09-30-2005, 06:53 PM

Well I talked to the lawyer, apparently I got too excited. They offered us $25,000 to settle without trial. I know this is not about the money but to accept a $25,000 settlement is an insult to our daughter's memory. We would rather walk away with absolutley nothing but our dignity and respect for Sierra, than to say yes, her life is only worth $25,000 to us.

The lawyer says we will be going to court on January 10-12. Sierra would turn 4 on January 15.

that is the most EFFED up offer I have ever, ever, ever heard!!!

I totally would not accept it. And I believe they would have asked for a nondisclosure clause for their money. A-holes.

you may want your lawyer to talk to this lawyer...

Andy Waters. He's in Dallas. He has sued pharms and he might be able to help navigate the stream your attorney is in.

http://www.asbestos-lawyer.com/Bio/CWaters.asp

annettemarie

09-30-2005, 06:59 PM

I am so sorry for your loss, and pray that you will find peace and closure.

LongIsland

09-30-2005, 07:27 PM

I'm very sorry for the loss of your daughter.

I agree, I believe their offer is truly an insult.

The Special Master is essentially saying Sierra's life was worth $25,000. They most likely offered an amount similar to what an infant's life insurance policy would amount to if you had insurance on your daughter . . . and that is an insult.

JamesMama

09-30-2005, 08:21 PM

I'm so sorry they did that! That is just an insult. Please, if you're able, keep us updated.

Mizelenius

09-30-2005, 08:44 PM

I am just so incredibly sorry-- for everything. :(

A pp said the money (even if you got the $250K) would be a "no fault" settlement, so does that mean they are not even admitting guilt?

Again, I am just so sorry.

ernestholmes

09-30-2005, 10:03 PM

dear Mommy of three

I ant to tell the world about your story

I have an autisitic toddler who never got vaxed... but she is autistic because of the medical industry...

And in my travels among my autisitic parent colleagues, 99 % of their children have lost their lives to disability -- aka autism beacuse of vaccines.

Yet our government will not acknowledge...

I hope you will email me because I have a child rights coalition which includes the travesty of vaccines... I would likke to tell your story there and also in national media

Please email me at autisticirightsforchildren@yahoo.com

And also - I have a ruthless, completely aggressive attorney here in Los Angeles who needsto take your case. Not that you want millions of dollars - but that hte idiots who caused your chils'd death - and the loss of life to so many other babies, MUST PAY.

Please email me - you need to smack those bastards down right now in their tracks. When they hear this attorney's namethey will crumble.

bri276

09-30-2005, 10:10 PM

this is the one vaccine that we have refused so far and now I thank God we did. Thank you for sharing this in the hopes it could save another baby. Your precious baby's life was not for nothing. I only wish it never had to happen...

Naiad

09-30-2005, 10:21 PM

Shame shame shame on them.

I'm so sorry. (((HUGS)))

Sherra

10-01-2005, 01:12 AM

This is terrible :( I'm so sorry.

I know you don't want to take the money becuase you can put no value on your daughters death, but isn't the fact that they admitted it the bigger issue?

When it is all said and done, their offer is not really an admission I don't believe. Atleast when my roommate was looking into the fund after his negative reaction to a vaccine it was that way. 25,000 is actually just what I'd call hush money. I know it's easy for me to say but I would not accept it and would just go to trial. The mere fact that they offered hush money makes me think that they think there is an inkling of a chance they may lose..and it's worth it to see them sweat. While 25,000 seems like a lot to some, it really isn't..esp in a death case.

Sherra

mommyto3girls

10-01-2005, 04:21 AM

as some have already pointed out, the $25,000 "settlement" is nothing but be quiet and go away money. It is not an acknowledgement that they agree at all (found this out through the lawyer) Even if we win this trial it is not an admission of guilt as someone else pointed out, however it would mean that the Special Master felt that there was a strong enough likelyhood that it was the vaccine.

Starr- We are declinging Because it isn't about the money. As I said before We would much rather walk away with nothing except our dignity and our pride for ourselves and our daughter than to allow them to just write us off as a nusiance to them. We know there is a decent chance that we could loose at trial, what our immunologist is trying to prove does not have much previous medical backing outside of his own research. But,if we win then this will pave the way for other parents to be able to use our case to help theirs. If we take the settlement then not only are we degrading our daughter but we are doing nothing tohelp other parents who may be living our same nightmare.

saintmom

10-01-2005, 04:48 AM

I'm so sorry for your loss. :hug Please keep fighting.We couldn't even get a lawyer to file on our sons behalf.His reaction isn't considered"serious enough"hang in there mamma,refuse to be silenced with their "hush" money :irked:

Artisan

10-01-2005, 05:54 AM

You are a very strong mama -- I admire your courage so much. Good for you for standing up for your daughter's memory.

Momtezuma Tuatara

10-01-2005, 04:42 PM

Mommyto3girls...

I thought as much, when I read your post, which was why I put up previously what the bottom line is. I'm glad you're rethinking this through.

I've done too many of these cases to ever feel that the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act was anything other than a farce for children and their families, and a happy day for the American Medical Association, and vaccine manufacturers.

Think on this.

First an extract from Forbes Magazine, page 254 December 15, 1997 - EIGHT year ago.

Disease prevention in the form of a $1.2 billion vaccine business, has become a thriving enterprise for SmithKlineBeecham.... SmithKline expects to add another $1 billion to its vaccine revenues over the next four years.

So there is your base Line. 2.2 billion, plus at least another 1 billion.

THAT.... is pure profit. Not one cent of that goes into the fund.

Now, here is why:

Wall Street Journal, Wednesday, February 25, 1998 "The Vaccine Business Gets a Shot in the Arm" by Elyse Tanouye

The climate slowly began to change again in 1986, after passage of a federal law that shields vaccine producers from all liability not related to manufacturing error. ... The law "turned the industry around" and encouraged biotech companies to jump into the vaccine field, says Mr Williams of Pasteur Merieux Connaught.

And here: New York Times, 21st November 2002 "Election Gives Drug Industry New Influence." by Robert Pear and Richard A. Oppel Jr.

Having spent more than $30 million to help elect their allies to Congress, the major drug companies are devising ways to capitalize on their electoral success by securing favorable new legislation and countering the pressure that lawmakers in both parties feel to lower the cost of prescription drugs, industry officials say.

Now, if you could sit down in the middle of my sitting room with all the files on these issues, and just READ,... it would take you no time at all to realise that Congress is bought, that they, and the drug manufacturers do not have any other vision that to get you to comply at no cost to them.

Altruistic? Why on earth would any one think so?

And for those of you who like to think that medical journals is where you will get good information, consider this.

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020138 “Journals have devolved into information laundering operations for the pharmaceutical industry”, wrote Richard Horton, editor of the Lancet, in March 2004 [1]. In the same year, Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, lambasted the industry for becoming “primarily a marketing machine” and co-opting “every institution that might stand in its way” [2]. Medical journals were conspicuously absent from her list of co-opted institutions, but she and Horton are not the only editors who have become increasingly queasy about the power and influence of the industry. Jerry Kassirer, another former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, argues that the industry has deflected the moral compasses of many physicians [3], and the editors of PLoS Medicine have declared that they will not become “part of the cycle of dependency…between journals and the pharmaceutical industry” [4]. Something is clearly up.

These are people and companies who will stop at nothing to get exactly what they want, which is maximum return on their dollar.

You CANNOT deal with these people. The first thing they will do to you my dear, is try to work a back door deal whereby you can no longer talk about it, share your information with anyone, and your records will be sealed and the key thrown away.

Don't think they won't do it. It's standard tactic. If you don't agree to that, brace yourself. If you thought life was hard up until now, believe me. It's going to get a whole lot rougher next. You will, through both subtle and unsubtle ways, start to see just what these companies are made of, and how they operate. And if you think kindness has anything to do with it, you are wrong. It's going to be very hard, and it pays to consider that right now, because you will need, and you will find, a strength you never thought you had. The injustice of what will come next, will put a petrol in you that is just about non-extinguishable.

So first piece of advice. Get yourself a group of friends who you know are really friends, who will give of themselves to you, and help support you forever without wavering, because you're going to need all the support you can get.

It would be nice if there was a private board you could go to to get support, because here's my second piece of advice.

YOU MUST NOT TELL this board what you intend to do.

UNDERSTAND THAT?

Let me repeat it.

YOU MUST NOT TELL this board what you intend to do.

Because this board is read and monitored by the vaccine companies, and if you say here, what you intend to do next, you will give them the jump on you.

So from now on, you CANNOT talk here, about what you will do next ~ about ANYTHING. If you do, you can guarantee your case is lost.

Therefore, this board, because its public, and its unsafe, cannot be a support for you.

Momtezuma Tuatara

10-01-2005, 04:52 PM

sorry about the shouting.

I just want to make sure the message gets through because its soooo important.

mommyto3girls, you can PM or e-mail me any time.

Mommymama

10-02-2005, 12:24 AM

These are people and companies who will stop at nothing to get exactly what they want, which is maximum return on their dollar.

Yeah, but in a way aren't we all partially responsible for this deplorable situation? I mean, a lot of us have 401 K plans but do we really look into what companies compose the portfolios of our Aetna, Fidelity, Schwab etc. funds? If we all demanded funds with socially responsible companies would we have a positive impact in society? In the world? I've been thinking a lot about this but maybe this is a topic for another thread...

Momtezuma Tuatara

10-02-2005, 01:27 AM

Actually, yes, Mommymama. We get the medical service we deserve, for sitting back and assuming that altruism is the basis of pharmaceutical industry practice.

And the more we sit back, and the less we do to make these people accountable, the more we are to blame.

Maybe you have a 401 K plan, whatever that is but I sure don't. But I get the gist of what it may be.... Absolutely if you allow someone else to decide what your money is invested in, it will be in health. For the simple reason that when all else crashes, people are so locked into believing that drugs = health, that that's one area of a share portfolio that isn't likely to keel over en masse. One or two companies may take a buffetting as a result of being caught with their pants down, but most bounce back.

Tanibani

10-02-2005, 09:08 AM

This bears repeating...

Mommyto3girls...

YOU MUST NOT TELL this board what you intend to do.

UNDERSTAND THAT?

Let me repeat it.

YOU MUST NOT TELL this board what you intend to do.

Because this board is read and monitored by the vaccine companies, and if you say here, what you intend to do next, you will give them the jump on you.

So from now on, you CANNOT talk here, about what you will do next ~ about ANYTHING. If you do, you can guarantee your case is lost.

Therefore, this board, because its public, and its unsafe, cannot be a support for you.

I totally agree with :bow MT.

ramlita

10-02-2005, 10:29 AM

We'll be thinking of you! :hug

Starr

10-03-2005, 09:01 AM

Thank you for making me realize the difference. I took it to mean that they would fully admit it on their behalf and acknowledge it along with the money. I didn't realize that the money was a settlement where they wouldn't take responsibility. I am so glad you are fighting to pave the way for others.

sarahsmothering

10-03-2005, 10:11 AM

:hug best to you and your family. I will pray for you and for justice.

candipooh

10-03-2005, 10:21 AM

a $25,000 settlement is an insult to our daughter's memory. We would rather walk away with absolutley nothing but our dignity and respect for Sierra, than to say yes, her life is only worth $25,000 to us.

The lawyer says we will be going to court on January 10-12. Sierra would turn 4 on January 15.

I am so very sorry.
I haven't read anymore responces so sorry if I am repeating.....

When you first posted your excitment about the gov. admitting that they killed you dd I was a big sceptable. I had a feeling that they would say some small number like this. Because I don't think they are admitting anything. I think they they are saying that they don't care. They don't care about what happened to your sweet darling baby. They just don't want to have to pay to fight it. The would rather just pay the 25 pennies (might as well be) and not have to worry about paying the lawyer.

:hugs ...again, I am so very sorry. WOrds can not describe how sorry I am for your loss. I hope that your voice will help save other mothers from going through what you had to endure.

InfoisPower

10-03-2005, 03:04 PM

GRRRRR...I have choice words I can't repeat here. I'd tell your lawyer that you expect to get kissed first before you get ******.

mom2tig99Nroo03

10-03-2005, 04:24 PM

:hug

Unoppressed MAMA Q

10-03-2005, 07:10 PM

listen to MT.
don't tell us anything else.
thinking of you......

Mariposa

10-08-2005, 11:00 AM

:hugs

momofelise

10-08-2005, 11:47 AM

I agree with MT that these boards are probably monitored. But as I was reading this thread, I noticed talk of how many parents might give up and take the paltry settlements offered (getting a big settlement, by the way, is "not about the money," but rather "hitting them where it hurts;" the only way policies will be changed is if he pharma companies think they have something financial to lose if they don't change them). I think these boards are a valuable resource to mothers here, monitored or not. If we are all too afraid to get advice from each other, *we* will be more hurt than protected. I think the key is to find a balance. As a general rule, don't give out personal information. Don't give away sensitive information about "your next move" in court. But do come here for advice and support (just don't say anything that you wouldn't mind anyone/everyone knowing). Information is power, and having these boards, monitored or not, gives us shared information that we might not have had otherwise.

Mommyto3girls...

I thought as much, when I read your post, which was why I put up previously what the bottom line is. I'm glad you're rethinking this through.

I've done too many of these cases to ever feel that the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act was anything other than a farce for children and their families, and a happy day for the American Medical Association, and vaccine manufacturers.

Think on this.

First an extract from Forbes Magazine, page 254 December 15, 1997 - EIGHT year ago.

So there is your base Line. 2.2 billion, plus at least another 1 billion.

THAT.... is pure profit. Not one cent of that goes into the fund.

Now, here is why:

Wall Street Journal, Wednesday, February 25, 1998 "The Vaccine Business Gets a Shot in the Arm" by Elyse Tanouye

And here: New York Times, 21st November 2002 "Election Gives Drug Industry New Influence." by Robert Pear and Richard A. Oppel Jr.

Now, if you could sit down in the middle of my sitting room with all the files on these issues, and just READ,... it would take you no time at all to realise that Congress is bought, that they, and the drug manufacturers do not have any other vision that to get you to comply at no cost to them.

Altruistic? Why on earth would any one think so?

And for those of you who like to think that medical journals is where you will get good information, consider this.

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0020138

These are people and companies who will stop at nothing to get exactly what they want, which is maximum return on their dollar.

You CANNOT deal with these people. The first thing they will do to you my dear, is try to work a back door deal whereby you can no longer talk about it, share your information with anyone, and your records will be sealed and the key thrown away.

Don't think they won't do it. It's standard tactic. If you don't agree to that, brace yourself. If you thought life was hard up until now, believe me. It's going to get a whole lot rougher next. You will, through both subtle and unsubtle ways, start to see just what these companies are made of, and how they operate. And if you think kindness has anything to do with it, you are wrong. It's going to be very hard, and it pays to consider that right now, because you will need, and you will find, a strength you never thought you had. The injustice of what will come next, will put a petrol in you that is just about non-extinguishable.

So first piece of advice. Get yourself a group of friends who you know are really friends, who will give of themselves to you, and help support you forever without wavering, because you're going to need all the support you can get.

It would be nice if there was a private board you could go to to get support, because here's my second piece of advice.

YOU MUST NOT TELL this board what you intend to do.

UNDERSTAND THAT?

Let me repeat it.

YOU MUST NOT TELL this board what you intend to do.

Because this board is read and monitored by the vaccine companies, and if you say here, what you intend to do next, you will give them the jump on you.

So from now on, you CANNOT talk here, about what you will do next ~ about ANYTHING. If you do, you can guarantee your case is lost.

Therefore, this board, because its public, and its unsafe, cannot be a support for you.

AngelBee

10-08-2005, 12:00 PM

Just checking in....I agree with MT.

I will be praying for your family for strength in theis process. :hug

Mylie

10-09-2005, 01:00 PM

:hug for you Mama..

Pariah

10-09-2005, 10:00 PM

Wanted to wish you good luck. I couldn't get through the Sierra's Bears website without crying. I'm so sorry you have to go through all of this to start with, but I admire you for sharing so that other parents can be informed.

mommyto3girls

10-10-2005, 04:53 AM

just wanted you all to know I am still reading along. I appreciate the messages here and via PM. Thank You.

Trial is pushed to teh end of January. about a week after Sierra died.

Kundalini-Mama

10-10-2005, 06:04 AM

Much love to you

Momtezuma Tuatara

01-25-2006, 05:36 PM

:bump:

curlyfry

01-25-2006, 06:14 PM

Thinking of you this week!!! :hug

nicolena

01-25-2006, 07:54 PM

: hug you stay strong, mama!

HRC121799

01-25-2006, 10:44 PM

Thinking of you!

pilesoflaundry

01-26-2006, 07:30 AM

:hug: I'm thinking of you, I'm so sorry for your loss.

momma2joey

01-26-2006, 08:49 AM

I read the story of your precious baby Sierra, and it absolutely broke my heart. I'm sitting at my computer balling my eyes out. I think that you are truly amazing for setting up Sierra's bears to help other moms and for fighting "the man". I'm sure that Sierra is looking down from heaven, and she's so proud of you and knows how much you love her. Really, it's just so sad, there are no words. I'll be praying for you. Sincerely, Angie

Village Mama

01-26-2006, 09:11 AM

Thinking of you and your family.... :heartbeat

mommyto3girls

01-26-2006, 09:45 AM

Thank You all. I think that the proceedings went fairly well. We will not know anything concrete until June

mamakay

01-26-2006, 10:09 AM

Still thinking of you.
:heartbeat

4xmommy

01-26-2006, 10:14 AM

My baby girl died when she was 4 days old - not from a vaccine, but I know the pain of losing a baby and if I knew someone had caused her death I'd do everything in my power to make them pay for it - anyway they can. So keep strong and know we are all supporting you. I'm thinking of you and your family and sending lots of love and strength your way. :throb

beansricerevolt

01-26-2006, 10:43 AM

I am praying for you and your family :heartbeat

mamachandi

01-26-2006, 10:55 AM

:throb

cam&kat's_mom

01-26-2006, 11:05 AM

First I want to say I am incrediby sorry for your loss, I have been readin g your site and wanted to offer condolances.
I've also been reading along and really wished i had put more thought into my children' VAX and did research back before I had let it happen. Learning form you all and your beautiful daughter I am now tellign everyoen that although we already VAX it's not too late to stop adn those that haven't don't have to VAX. Thank you for sharing your story. And will be praying for your family. If one baby can be saved then your story has been well heard.

chrissy

01-26-2006, 11:26 AM

Oh mama, I am so sorry for the tragic loss of your beautiful Sierra. You are a strong and brave woman and mother and I am so glad you are doing what you are doing.
:candle

mama729

01-26-2006, 12:36 PM

Darcy37

01-26-2006, 12:40 PM

I wont be letting them give it to my baby at birth because of this post.Thankyou:)

tiffanyrk1786

01-26-2006, 01:13 PM

I know you arent posting due to the fact that anything can be used against you in this case, but I know you are reading and wanted to let you know that you cant give up. This is something that needs resolution, no matter the outcome. Just know we are all in your corner and supporting your fight for justice. I cant wait to hear the final outcome. Good luck! We love ya and Sierra is smiling down from heaven on you, watching you fight for what you believe in. The Lord is with her and holding her tightly. ::HUGS::

Momtezuma Tuatara

01-26-2006, 05:08 PM

This is a very hard time for Julie, and I really would like this thread to continue on the first page. The arguments being thrown against her are ridiculous, but hopefully we can break through that barrier.

It won't be the only hurdle either, because the system as it works isn't justice in a true form. It's about who plays the game the best.

I'm optimistic thing could go well, but can see all the possible ways in which real justice could be derailed. Julie can't talk here, but we can talk to her...

I've dealt with so many of these cases now, and its a very strong family that fights these, because depending on the cross examination, these cases are very tough on the emotions.

I'm glad everyone is getting behind her on this thread...

wheezie

01-28-2006, 12:24 PM

Hang in there mama! :hug

guestmama9911

01-28-2006, 02:48 PM

:Hug May you find peace, may you receive justice, and may God give you strength and courage.

Gitti

01-28-2006, 02:50 PM

Thinking of you and your family :grouphug

lilylove

01-28-2006, 06:05 PM

Thinking of you, and in awe of your strength and courage.

:hug

suschi

01-29-2006, 08:34 AM

I pray the outcome is in your favor, and damn those drug companies if they try to hush you up.

anhaga

01-29-2006, 08:55 AM

Another Mama reading along and wanting to offer my support and express my total admiration for you and your family. Sierra's site is so beautiful.

I hope justice will come to your family.

ChickyMama

01-29-2006, 10:05 PM

:crying So sorry and sad for your loss. :Hug

Bless you! You are an inspiration, keep going! :heartbeat

MyLittleWonders

01-29-2006, 11:01 PM

Do not give up your fight! :hug You are a very strong woman ... make them admit what they did.

SneakyPie

01-30-2006, 10:00 AM

Love and gentle peace winging your way. Lean on us as we think of you and your beautiful daughter. She has helped me know to refuse this for our son.

Sirte

01-30-2006, 10:22 AM

I am so sorry for the loss of your precious baby. Sending good thoughts your way for a positive outcome in your case.

hotmom

01-30-2006, 12:08 PM

Many condolences to you. My heart breaks for your pain.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. Your sweet Dd's story will and has saved lives that can never be counted, your courage in sharing is applauded. Thank you.

ferretfan

01-30-2006, 01:20 PM

as i read your story i am both humbled and awed by your steadfastness.
:Hug's to you and your family

i am sending positive thoughts in your direction daily - some of them are ferret-shaped :heartbeat

sunshinestarr

01-30-2006, 02:04 PM

Another momma checking in.. I just read through these pages and I'm so sad.. :( I'm so, so sorry about your daughter. I know a bit of what it's like to lose a child, my first was stillborn at 42 weeks. I know that you're probably getting inundated with PMs but I'm here too, if you ever want to talk/chat. The whole situation makes me sad and terrified at how the world works. MT really gave me the heebies when she was warning you not to say anything else here (although I agree 100% with what she said/says). I'm just so sorry, and if where is anything us mommas can do, let us know. We're all behind you.
Stay strong. We love you!

BookGoddess

01-30-2006, 02:34 PM

I've been reading along too. You're a very strong, mama. I'm so sorry for the loss of your beautiful little girl. I know you can't post specific details here but know that so many of us are thinking of you. All the best to you and your family in this time. Good luck in court! :hug

D'smomma

01-30-2006, 03:40 PM

So sorry for your enormous loss.

granolamom

01-30-2006, 03:53 PM

My heart breaks for you, hold tight mama, we are with you...

Cyneburh

01-30-2006, 05:30 PM

Prayers for you here too. Please don't keep us updated because I don't want that to adversely affect anything. But know that we are behind you 100%.

MCsMom

01-31-2006, 11:26 AM

Thinking about you and your family.

mamamoo

02-01-2006, 12:53 AM

You are in my thoughts mama!!
:hug

Momtezuma Tuatara

02-01-2006, 02:58 AM

Sunshinestarr, sorry if it gave you the heebies. But its true. It's best when going through this to say nothing until everything is finalised.

Hang in there mama.

sunshinestarr

02-01-2006, 10:22 AM

Sunshinestarr, sorry if it gave you the heebies. But its true. It's best when going through this to say nothing until everything is finalised.

Hang in there mama.

It's okay! The truth must come out! Corporate dogs..
:D

curlyfry

02-02-2006, 09:54 AM

Bumping to keep this on page one. You have our continued support mama!!!

pumpkinsmama

02-02-2006, 06:14 PM

Just want to say my family is still thinking of you and yours daily and sending positive thoughts your way.

suschi

02-02-2006, 09:34 PM

Keeping Sierra's family in my thoughts and prayers, and I know Sierra is giving her mama strength to fight the fight.

Katana

02-02-2006, 11:00 PM

:grouphug

Much strength, hope and love to you, mama.

Momtezuma Tuatara

02-05-2006, 10:07 PM

:hug :love :bump:

annalily

02-06-2006, 05:52 AM

:hug :hug :hug

Stevie

02-06-2006, 07:22 PM

:tiphat: I love you too :love

Devaskyla

02-06-2006, 07:36 PM

:hug I still have the blinkie I made for Sierra in my sig at another board.

Momtezuma Tuatara

02-07-2006, 03:12 AM

:hug :love

pumpkinsmama

02-07-2006, 05:51 PM

:bump: :Hug

BumbleBena

02-07-2006, 08:18 PM

Thank you for fighting the good fight! Thank you, thank you, thank you!!! :love :love :love :love :love :love :love

You and your precious Sierra are in my prayers. :hug :hug :hug

pumpkinsmama

02-09-2006, 12:25 PM

:bump:

pumpkinsmama

02-10-2006, 06:21 PM

Bumping to keep this on page one. You have our continued support mama!!!

:yeah: :hug

CerridwenLorelei

02-10-2006, 07:13 PM

:candle :candle

lizzie

02-10-2006, 09:56 PM

:hug :1praying: :clap with lots of :love for all of you

lizzie

erniebobernie

02-11-2006, 11:01 AM

We are all sending you hugs and love :grouphug

Kelleybug

02-12-2006, 05:38 PM

:bump: :hug Bumping to stay on the first page.

pumpkinsmama

02-18-2006, 07:00 AM

:bump: :hug Bumping to stay on the first page.

:yeah: We are still here thinking of you and your family! :heartbeat

Gitti

02-19-2006, 09:12 PM

sending :hugs to you and your family.

mammabear

02-21-2006, 07:27 PM

sending you :hugs and light. I'm so sorry for your loss.

mamaverdi

02-21-2006, 11:00 PM

I was thinking about your story this week while I was in the hospital. May you have strength, peace, and clarity when dealing with all of it.

mv

*~Member~*

02-21-2006, 11:11 PM

Mega hugs and prayers! You are a very strong mama and I hope everything works out

pumpkinsmama

02-23-2006, 11:18 PM

:hug :heartbeat :bump:

cjuniverse

02-24-2006, 06:40 AM

Unimaginable what you must be going through...all the love in me goes out to you...clarity and courage.

Yes, you can do anything. Situations like these test us all...you are strong enough to handle doubt, derision, and disappointment. You will rise above fear. You will get what you (and your sweet child) deserve...justice. It will come, and it will come by your family's sheer force of loving will. Nothing...not money, not power, not hate, is stronger than that. You will win!

M&M-mom

02-25-2006, 05:41 PM

I am very sorry for your loss and appreciative that you shared your story. I am due in July with my 3rd and I have been dreading researching the vaccine debate. You have strongly urged me to get on the ball for it is a very serious matter.

pumpkinsmama

03-09-2006, 01:20 PM

< hoping that the trial will be over soon and that justice will be served. Thinking of your family often.

curlyfry

03-09-2006, 01:34 PM

:rainbow Stay strong mama. Thinking about you and wishing you peace.

CarolynnMarilynn

03-09-2006, 01:55 PM

I am thinking nothing but good thoughts for you and your family through this difficult time. Be strong.

AurorasMommy

03-09-2006, 09:58 PM

I cant say that I completely understand how you feel... but I sure know the feeling of thinking your baby is going to die, and its nothing I could ever put into words! I have thought about you and your family ever since I read your story.... My thoughts and prayers are with you everyday, and may those JERKS pay FOR YEARS TO COME!!!!!!!!!! No one can replace your baby, no dollar amount, no appoligies! I am so sorry for your loss!

Megan & Aurora

grypx831

03-12-2006, 05:39 PM

:candle

guestmama9911

03-15-2006, 01:10 PM

:heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat :1praying:

SJLove

03-16-2006, 01:37 AM

I'm so sorry for such a horrible loss! I'm new here, I didn't hear the story, is there a thread with the original story in it?

DarkHorseMama

03-16-2006, 02:52 AM

Sheila, go to the first page in the thread, if you haven't already. The initial story is in the weblink of mommyto3girls sig line.

For OP: I can't tell you how grateful I am for your continued fight on behalf of all babies. Sierra is being remembered in such a courageous and beautiful way. :hug

guestmama9911

03-16-2006, 09:45 PM

Bump:love

afishwithabike

03-17-2006, 02:18 PM

:yeah: We are still here thinking of you and your family! :heartbeat
We love you:candle

Gitti

03-17-2006, 07:04 PM

Thinking of you and sending you :hugs

Kontessa

03-17-2006, 07:33 PM

Clearly you and yours are so loved! We need you, this fight is for your baby and for all of the babies. We are thinking of you!

afishwithabike

03-18-2006, 01:44 PM

:candle for your:*pangel

`guest`

03-18-2006, 01:58 PM

After reading about you, I am in awe. What a strong person you are to perservere. To lose your daughter in such a tragic way...and then be able to transcend such an experience and to do something positive. Much love to you, your family, and support through this process.

curlyfry

03-18-2006, 02:40 PM

Another :hug for you

annalily

03-18-2006, 07:32 PM

:candle

Devaskyla

03-20-2006, 01:23 PM

Thinking of you.

cjuniverse

03-20-2006, 06:55 PM

More thoughts, with love. :love

LadyWuzzy

03-25-2006, 02:08 AM

good luck to you, i'm keeping you in my thoughts and prayers and yes Sierra is absolutely beautiful. :)

Girl Named Sandoz

03-25-2006, 03:36 AM

:hug :Hug

:heartbeat

:candle

LadyButler

03-25-2006, 01:12 PM

:candle :candle :candle

Stevie

03-25-2006, 08:33 PM

:candle

boobear

03-25-2006, 09:35 PM

My prayers are with you and your family.

:candle

curlyfry

04-04-2006, 12:18 PM

Stll thinking of you and your family. Stay strong. :hug

Gitti

04-07-2006, 09:13 PM

I was just thinking of your blog and your darling little child.

Sending :hugs

georgia

04-07-2006, 11:59 PM

:hug

pumpkinsmama

04-08-2006, 06:24 AM

In my thoughts...

JesseMomme

04-08-2006, 08:32 AM

Keepin it to the front :thumb

suschi

04-08-2006, 11:16 PM

Thinking of you!

:hearts

mamaverdi

04-09-2006, 12:35 AM

Thinking of you too.

ericswifey27

04-09-2006, 01:18 AM

Thinking about your family... :Hug

Plaid Leopard

04-09-2006, 10:22 AM

My thoughts are with you and your family.
Stay strong mama.

damyen's mommy

04-09-2006, 12:34 PM

:hug

RootBeerFloat

04-10-2006, 09:15 AM

:candle

pumpkinsmama

04-19-2006, 07:34 AM

I was just thinking of your blog and your darling little child.

Sending :hugs

:yeah:

CNutty

04-19-2006, 07:51 AM

Cant stop the tears as I think about you, your family and your daughter, you are so brave.
:hug :hug :hug :*pangel

luvmy2boys

04-19-2006, 10:12 AM

I'm new and just saw this thread. I'm so sorry about your sweet baby girl. When my oldest son was born, I was just learning about vaccines; I knew I didn't want the MMR, etc., but did not understand the full danger of vaccines (I thought it was just the number of them that was so bad). So I let them do the Hep B in the hospital, thinking it would be ok, and also because I was afraid I would trigger some CPS visit or something if I refused.

My son is fine, but reading this makes me realize that it could have been him, too. Bless you for pursuing this; perhaps you'll save someone else's child.
:hug :angel

pumpkinsmama

04-21-2006, 11:52 AM

:bump:

pumpkinsmama

04-26-2006, 02:13 PM

Thinking about your family... :Hug:yeah:

jenmk

04-26-2006, 03:02 PM

I've thought about you a lot ever since I've been a member of MDC.

nonniecita

04-27-2006, 09:26 AM

Just sending a :Hug
Michelle

mommyto3girls

05-11-2006, 08:54 PM

Thanks Mommas, I just wanted to share Sierra's VAERS record with all of you.

VAERS ID 217975 Vaccination Date: 2002-01-17
Age 0.0 Date filed: 2004-03-18
Sex F Where Administered: MIL
State OH Purchased by: UNK
Life Threatening Illness? No
Died? Yes (date died: 2002-01-18)
Disability? No
Recovered? No
ER or Doctor Visit? No
Hospitalized? No
Current Illness: none
Diagnostic Lab Data: Autopsy report Cause of Death Extensive periportal Inflammatory Infiltrate in Liver Consistent with possible sepsis with an onset of hours. Petechiae of the thymus, pulmonary Ateletisis and congestion, Icterus.
Previous Vaccinations:
Other Medications: none
Preexisting Conditions: none

Vaccinations Manufacturer Lot Dose Route Site
1 HEP MERCK & CO. INC. 1067L 0 IM LL

Onset Date: 2002-01-17 Days since Vaccination: 0
Symptoms: APNEA ATELECTASIS JAUNDICE PETECHIA RHINITIS SEPSIS SOMNOLENCE
Patient began snorting and flaring her nostrils while breathing about 1 1/2 hours after vaccine, nurses assured us it was normal. Jaundice and lethargy began to set in around the same time and again we were told it was common and to have her checked by the peds the next day if it was worse. We were discharged to home where she continued to display above symptoms. around 3:45 am on 01/18/2002 she stopped breathing, CPR was performed by her father and then the paramedics arrived, she was taken by ambulance ...

the rest should read ...to the ER where they continued to work on her, They were never able to get a heartbeat. She was declared dead at 4:31 a.m., 60 hours and 8 minutes after her birth, 17 hours and 16 minutes after receiving the Hepatitis B Vaccine

We are drawing closer to the end of our legal issues with VICP. All lawyer proceedings will be over by mid June. From there the judge can take as long as he wants pouring over all of the testimony and documents. When this is all over I will share what I can from our legal briefs with anyone who is interested, it is amazing reading and really illustrates in quite simple terms how easily a serum sickness reaction can occur from a vaccine