Yo, corrupt yogurt company or what ??

[KeysMama]

We LOVE the organic yogurts you can find in supermarkets now. Stoneyfield Farms. YUM! I also like the non-GMO and organic and low additives. http://www.stoneyfield.com They make Yo Baby, Yo-Soy, etc
ANYWAY, I was checking their site and they support and promote the awful internet Pediatrician Dr Greene!! www.drgreene.com (http://www.drgreene.com)
Anyway, Dr Greene's site is full of breastfeeding mis-information, and supported by Enfamil formula. His lead breastfeeding article is "Exciting developements in infant formula!!" and "exciting new vaccines!"

I have emaild Stoneyfield Farms and asked that they not be in bed with this anti-healthy MD. I invite you to take a look and email them if it so moves you.
Peace:hippie

[frogertgrl]

OMGoddess! That Dr. Greene is hideous stuff!! Yikes! I could only get through a small portion of his advice on how to get a 5 month old to sleep through the night.

The same ol' garbage....'pat her on the back, but don't pick her up!! If you pick her up from her crib when she cries, she will learn to cry to be held!'

I hate that garbage so much.

And American Baby is one of the worst programs ever created.

Thanks for this info - I have emailed Stoneyfield as well. Shame o them.

[KeysMama]

Originally posted by frogertgrl
Thanks for this info - I have emailed Stoneyfield as well. Shame o them.

Thanks lady! Hopefully if they hear from a few of us at once they will think " hmmm, I guess natural mamas are the ones that buy our yogurt, maybe we should not have Chief un-natural MD as our spokesman!!"

XO

[TexasSuz]

Why would they want that guy? Why not Dr. Jay Gordon or Dr. Sears? I will email them too. I love their products because I can find them at a "regular" grocery store and don't have to make the drive to my natural one! I would kill for a natural store in my neighborhood!

[KeysMama]

Originally posted by TexasSuz
Why would they want that guy? Why not Dr. Jay Gordon or Dr. SearsExactly...today Dr Greene, tomm GMO in the yogurts....the mainstream conspiracy

[abimommy]

:bang :bang :bang :bang :bang

email sent, thanks for posting this.

[guest^]

:angry

GRRRRR!!!!!

Our little ds loves the little yogurt cups!

This just stinks!

I tried to connect,but was unable....I will try again...and will give them my humble .02!!!

What about Brown Cow yogurt...ds also likes their whole milk vanilla yogurt....are they corrupt or associated with AHs like greene??:D :confused:


mamapoppins

[KeysMama]

I am buying Horizon and Brown Cow no, do not know anything bad about these guys.

Never got a reply as of yet from Stoneyfield

[KeysMama]

their reply:

Thank you for your feedback regarding your concerns about Stonyfield Farm's association with pediatrician, Dr. Alan Greene. We appreciate hearing all views on the subject and thank you for taking the time to write to us.

To address your concerns, we contacted Dr. Greene with some of your concerns and received the following reply from his office:

1) Dr. Greene is a HUGE breastfeeding advocate. In fact DrGreene.com has been accused of not having enough information on our site for moms who cannot breast feed. Dr. Greene goes to great lengths to encourage moms to stick with breastfeeding if at all possible. Unlike most pediatricians, he supports tandem nursing (continuing to breastfeed one child while pregnant with the next). He urges women to nurse until at least the baby's first birthday, and encourages nursing to age 2 and beyond. He does not, though, believe that women who have stopped nursing should be made to feel guilty. And he strongly believes that any baby who receives formula, for whatever reason, deserves the highest quality formula possible. Modeled after breast milk.

2) We do work with Mead Johnson. Dr. Greene consults for them (teaching them about nutrition-he would love for them to make organic formula) and is sponsored by them to speak about a half dozen times a year. These are talks he would still want to give, even if he was independently wealthy and never had to work (though he would love not to have Mead Johnson sponsor them). When he does speak, he gives a strong, passionate breastfeeding message (as above) and challenges formula companies to push forward with modeling formulas more after breast milk so that babies who do get formula get the best possible.

3) In 1996 Dr. Greene began his campaign to bring the best possible formula to babies who could not nurse. His research lead him to the conclusion that there are several nutrients in breast milk that needed to be added formula -- these include DHA, ARA (both improve brain function and eye sight), Lysozyme (which has a strong influence on the type of bacteria that inhabit the intestinal tract), and Lactoferrin (which has a direct antibiotic effect on bacteria such as staphylococci and E. coli). Most doctors do not get nutrition training in medical school or residency, so this information is not common knowledge to doctors. Dr. Greene immediately began calling for formula manufacturers to add these -- again, for babies who can not nurse (see http://www.drgreene.com/21_552.html written June 21, 1996).
The World Health Organization strongly advocates breastfeeding. Nonetheless, the World Health Organization, like Dr. Greene, has called for DHA and ARA to be added to infant formula at the levels found in breast milk, for the benefit of those babies who can not breastfeed.
In 2000, Mead Johnson became the first US company to add DHA and ARA to their formula. Mead Johnson uses the amounts recommended by the World Health Organization and the same levels that are found in moms' breast milk. Dr. Greene has been working with Mead Johnson to help educate doctors and parents about the need for these ingredients in formula. He has spoken to groups of physician and nurses and has been interviewed on radio and television about the subject.
None of the content on DrGreene.com was commissioned or sponsored by Mead Johnson. In fact, they invited him to be their spokesperson BECAUSE of what he had already written.
We are pleased to be able to work with Mead Johnson. They have shown incredible responsibility, especially in the area of breastfeeding support. Dr. Greene has always been and continues to be a breastfeeding advocate. But when it is not possible to breastfeed, he believes babies should have the best possible infant formula to meet their nutritional demands.
When these children are old enough to eat dairy products, they should be eating the best possible yogurt. Many parents believe all yogurt is the same -- it's all good for their kids. Dr. Greene wants to help educate parents so they will understand that organic yogurt, made with live active culture is the best for their kids. That is why we have joined forces with Stonyfield Farm.

4) Dr. Greene does favor the idea of vaccines (prevention through teaching the child's body to recognize dangerous germs so that they can be fended off without medicines), but also supports parents deciding what they believe is best for their own children. Again, he favors making these the best possible for the babies who get them (i.e. removing all thimerosol from vaccines).

We are passionately committed to producing the best tasting, healthiest yogurts available, and trying to do some good in the world while we're at it. Visit our web site at www.stonyfield.com to learn more.

Sincerely,
Diana Godbout
Consumer Relations Coordinator
FOR THE FOLKS AT STONYFIELD FARM!

[fishy]

Originally posted by KeysMama


To address your concerns, we contacted Dr. Greene with some of your concerns and received the following reply from his office:



so, they jsut asked his office and didnt do any research themselves? anyone can say they are a BF advocate. goodness, the formula companies say they are bf advocates.

i have to say, im not impressed with the response. are you? (collective you)

[KeysMama]

no not at all. Here is what I sent them back.

"Thanks for the reply. Again, all that Dr. Greene supports and affiliates with is detrimental to organic living and contradictory to your company motto. I will pass your reply on to the women's network that also had concern."

PS, the women's network I was referring to is MDC!

[TiredX2]

How disappointing!

Does anyone else feel like you can't get *anywhere* trying to support only companies you "agree" with?

Kay

[KeysMama]

exactly. I can't be on board, or always agree with every company's philosophy, affiliations or philanthropy, but when you try to point it out, especially to an "organic' company, you would think they would be more concerned anyway.

Besides, I just read in Mother Jones that Dannon bought Stoneyfield Farms so there goes commitment to organic and conscious living philosophy....

[tara&koby]

How disappointing!
Thanks for posting this!

[Ravin]

Guess I won't be eating any more yogurt for a while (Stonyfield Farms is the only organic brand I can ever afford, don't like non-organic.). :( :angry

[KeysMama]

Originally posted by Ravin
Guess I won't be eating any more yogurt for a while (Stonyfield Farms is the only organic brand I can ever afford, don't like non-organic.). :( :angry

the Brown Cow organic is really yummy and at my local market .65 cents a container ( single serving) sorry I don't know how that compares to SF - which I am not buying anymore either

[abigailvr]

I'm glad I read this. I've been buying Stonyfield farms too. I guess I'll stick to the plain yogurt from a local organic dairy (http://www.strausmilk.com/) and dress it up myself.

[snailmama]

jees!
Yet anothre company I won't buy from!
It seems like everyone is selling out,
Stoneyfield, 7th generation-chemmy wipes, earth's best and healthy times are owned byt he same people now and changed their baby cereals and now they are flakes! - gross!

[momsgotmilk4two]

I have to say, I disagree with everyone on this one. I thought the reply was pretty thourough. I'm surprised people are so quick to hop on the boycotting bandwagon:rolleyes: . I rarely buy this yogurt anyway since it's expensive (not to mention surgary) and my kids will eat plain yogurt with a little bit of honey in it. I had no idea who this Dr. was, but I followed the link, and he had a long article, basically refuting what the scientists who said that breastmilk hardly had any value, said. He listed and explained a huge list of the benefits to bfing. Also, I read his response to the question on DHA in formula, and I thought it was still pretty pro bf. Dr. Sears is another Dr. who campaigned for DHA in formula. I think this is a *good* thing for mothers who cannot bf. We know that this is a small number of women, but it does exist. I still don't see what the problem with him is.

[KeysMama]

My problem is with the cooperative that an organic company and Dr.'mainstream' Greene share.

Dr Greene is sponsored by and works largely for Mead Johnson. I don't care for him or his sponsors or philosophies. DHA and ARA are both actually going against the WHO code, which I happen to support both professionally and ethically.

Forumla companies do not and cannot practice ethical farming techniques. Organic companies should stand on the principles of ethical organic farming.

Both have the right to exist, I have problems with the cooperative sponsorship.

I support organic farmers on pricipal as well as ecology. I do not wish to support Dr Greene or Mead Johnson with my money, so I vote with my grocery money so to speak.

And I rightfully tell the yogurt company so.

[momsgotmilk4two]

The problem is that the only organic formula I've seen is labeled for use in toddlers only, *not* as a full fledged infant formula. There *are* some babies who need it/mothers who need to use it for whatever reason, and I think those babies have the right to the best substitute possible. It is nowhere near breastmilk by any stretch, but better than what was available before. I don't know why the WHO code would prohibit it:confused: I guess if you are that into organics only, then a boycott would make sense. My understanding was that people were boycotting the product based on his stance on bfing only.

[KeysMama]

just in case I was misunderstood- I am not anti-formula per sey ( as I have used it with DD 1) . Pro-BF does not mean anti-formula ( for me).

I find it ludicrous that an organic company would sponsor an MD that gives our bad information and is sponsored by bio-tech and formula companies.

When I buy organic, I want to support organic companies. If I buy Doritios or M and M's I can't be that picky right?!:D

Sorry this topic has strayed....don't know how that always happens:confused: This is not an anti-formula thread. This is a pro-corporate social responisbility thread.

:OT

For info on why DHA/ARA is a scam, see
dha formula is a marketing scam (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,43317,00.html) or search on various lactation education and professional sites.

[Saundra]

Wasn't Stonyfield Farms recently bought out by some mega-food corporation? I don't remember which one, but this might explain a few things.

I quit buying their yo-baby because I thought it had way too much sugar. I prefer the large tubs of Horizon; it's pricey but not quite so expensive as the single serving sizes.

Saundra

[beanma]

keysmama, i've got to respectfully disagree on the DHA issue. it's been added to european formulas for years now. i'm much more inclined to trust dr sears than anything i read or hear on foxnews. can't stand them! check this quote out from that foxnews link...


Assuming for the sake of argument that breast-fed infants actually fare better on developmental tests than formula-fed infants, this could be explained by many factors.

Women who choose to breast-feed tend to be older, more educated and of higher socio-economic status than those who don't. These key factors could easily account for the slight developmental differences reported in some — but not all — studies comparing breast-fed with formula-fed infants.



what!? doesn't everybody get it by now that breast is best? bleah! :duh

as for stonyfield, sorry to hear they've been bought by dannon. don't know what to think about dr greene. dh and i were having a conversation just the other night about how the consumerist corpracracy sooner or later swallows up the good companies, like ben & jerry's and now i guess stonyfield, too. urgh... :tsk

i think sometimes i just wanna go live in the woods and withdraw myself from this society...:eek

[KeysMama]

( maybe this should be a new thread ?)
beanma-I have heard and understand that the marketing of these new formulas abroad ( from the US) is superior.

I too want a healthy alternative for babies that need it. I don't particullary like Fox news either, but the information reflects what those in the lactation field have been talking about since the push to add these ingredients surfaced.

Just one of many examples I was directed to is in the September 1996 issue of AAP News. Dr Thomas Hale said it best in a summary, that we don't yet understand this field well enough to just dump some new fatty acids in formulas and presume they are safe.

I don't want babies being guinea pigs.

Many researchers are showing just adding DHA or Ara to formulas ( and now baby food) may be more harmful than helpful and that a great deal more research is needed before these fish eyeball oil by-products should be added to baby formula.

Similac REFUSED to jump on that bandwagon citing popular anti-dha additive research until their market share started going down the drain. Now, they are on board! hmmmm

:thumb

I will happily change my mind after followup of the test babies is complete and they are healthy.


And yes, I read about the swallowing up of Ben and Jerry's and Stoneyfield too in this months Mother Jones. So sad. The small companies just can't stay small forever I guess.....


anyone know how to make homemade yogurts???:love

[abigailvr]

I haven't tried it, but with one small tub of organic yogurt and some organic milk and powdered milk, you could make your own:

http://www.foodtv.com/foodtv/recipe/0,6255,22599,00.html

[KeysMama]

thanks for the recipe for yogurt- sounds easy enough!
PS abigail- I LOVE Betsy Rose, and have 2 of her releases.....we used to play her music at my birthing center....

[momsgotmilk4two]

NO! Not Ben and Jerry's! :( I thought they were some of the good guys:(

[KeysMama]

Yep- Ben and Jerry's is owned by the Slimfast, Lipton, Dove Soap, Skippy peaunut butter and "I can't believe its not butter!" company....

Powerbar by Nestle

White Wave Silk soy products by Borden

After the Fall juices and Santa Cruz Natural juices by CRISCO!!!

the list goes on and on...check out this month's Mother Jones Magazine....

[MelMel]

where do i find this mother jones magazine?

its the same ole thing, talkin the talk, but not doin the walk.

corruption seems to be just a matter of time nowadays.


:sinister :sinister :sinister :sinister

[KeysMama]

I get mine on the news stand( at Wild Oats), but check their site too Mother Jones (http://www.motherjones.com)

[abigailvr]

Originally posted by KeysMama
thanks for the recipe for yogurt- sounds easy enough!
PS abigail- I LOVE Betsy Rose, and have 2 of her releases.....we used to play her music at my birthing center.... It looked easy when Alton Brown did it. A friend of mine saw him talk and said that he also has talked about having made yogurt from his wife's breastmilk! I wish I had thought of that before my small frozen stash went past it's expiration date. I could have seen how DS likes yogurt!

I love her too! My mom and baby yoga teacher played "Mama's Milk" for us and i was hooked. :D

[Quirky]

Back to that Fox News article by Stephen Milloy? I don't trust him or the Cato Institute, his employer - an ultra-conservative think tank. Milloy's Junk Science website is all about debunking little myths like, oh, arsenic in drinking water is bad for you, or mercury in vaccines is bad for you....his "science" is aimed at trying to disprove the basis for environmental, safety, and health regulations.

Check this out on who's behind the Cato Institute: link (http://www.accuracy.org/articles/cato.htm)

This link (http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/junkscience.html) debunks Milloy's JunkScience webpage.

[KeysMama]

Jane, yuk! Obviously Fox is a bad example! There are plenty of credible sites and references to the DHA problems. That was just one of many that had it in a short article! I will take that one off my list....