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minkajane
01-29-2006, 02:36 PM
http://www.thepetcenter.com/sur/cs.html

Thought you ladies might be interested in this article. This dog was malnourished and dehydrated and did not have the strength to push. Three pups were delivered with the help of oxytocic drugs and doc's help, and the fourth was delivered by C-section after attempts at vaginal birth failed.




pageta
01-29-2006, 02:49 PM
You know, this doesn't directly relate to that, but we are TTC and I have been thinking a lot lately about how I'm glad I am not a dog. (It was the only animal birth I ever witnessed as a kid - our dog having puppies). They come in heat only twice a year, and then they have eight or so babies at once. Really, really glad I am not a dog!

I have heard of animal c-sections before...

minkajane
01-29-2006, 03:11 PM
Pageta, did you hear about that gorilla that had a C/S last year? It couldn't give birth with a bunch of people watching (duh!) and the oxytocic drugs didn't work, so they did a C/S. Then she didn't realize the baby was hers, so they had to bottle-feed it and slowly reintroduce it to its mom. It was sad.

MamaTaraX
01-29-2006, 06:13 PM
There are some types of dogs that almost always have c/s, like bulldogs and often pugs (these are the type of dogs that we want, so I've learned lots about them and their childbearing:) )

Pageta, did you hear about that gorilla that had a C/S last year? It couldn't give birth with a bunch of people watching (duh!) and the oxytocic drugs didn't work, so they did a C/S. Then she didn't realize the baby was hers, so they had to bottle-feed it and slowly reintroduce it to its mom. It was sad.

That's depressing!!! :(

Namaste, Tara

minkajane
01-29-2006, 06:39 PM
This dog was a chihuahua. Poor thing was so skinny!

wannabe
01-30-2006, 02:33 AM
we are TTC and I have been thinking a lot lately about how I'm glad I am not a dog. (It was the only animal birth I ever witnessed as a kid - our dog having puppies). They come in heat only twice a year, and then they have eight or so babies at once. Really, really glad I am not a dog!

No, Tana, you're glad you're not a dog because every time they go into heat they think they're pregnant, and it's only when they don't have a baby that they realise they weren't.

Pseudopregnancy - the real reason we're all REALLY glad we're not dogs.

thepeach80
01-30-2006, 09:31 AM
That pseudopregnancy happened to my mom's dog! She was even trying to find homes for the imaginary puppies. :lol

I've seen a dog c/s before on Animal Planet. They were breeders or had decided to let someone breed their dog etc and this was her repeat c/s since her last delivery ended in a c/s after only delivering 1/2 of her puppies. A REPEAT c/s on a dog, wow!

It's not uncommon for wild animals born into captivity to not 'own' their offspring no matter what kind of delivery they have. We have a large zoo here where several gorillas have given birth and while this last one was eventually taken under the grandmother's care, the mom didn't know how to raise it and didn't raise her first either which is still being cared for by humans as it's only 2.5. It's sad. The larger animals seem to be where the problem lies b/c they are the ones that often undergo the IVF and IUI for reproduction.

tinyshoes
01-30-2006, 11:04 AM
Pseudopregnancy - the real reason we're all REALLY glad we're not dogs.

Growing up, our female dog would collect all my baby brother's squeaky toys as her brood, and she'd make a nest in the closet!

I recently read an article about dog c-secs (http://citypages.com/databank/27/1309/article14006.asp) (among other things):

...Buttons's face reflects the sad-sack stress of a bitch that is getting pictures taken of her nine puppies, about to be popped by C-section.
...

The sweet-sick smell of freshly tapped rubbing alcohol begins to permeate the clinic's operating area.

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Dr. Johnson inserts an IV into the dog's paw and wraps it with gauze. The sweet-talking technician shaves the dog's belly, careful to avoid the cluster of protruding nipples. Buttons is carried into the small operating room, and the technicians drape towels over their arms, ready for flying pups. el pre-op table. Dr. Johnson inserts an IV into the dog's paw and wraps it with gauze. The sweet-talking technician shaves the dog's belly, careful to avoid the cluster of protruding nipples. Buttons is carried into the small operating room, and the technicians drape towels over their arms, ready for flying pups.

It's very eery and interesting...how all these show dogs are bred w/ IVF and c-sectioned, to secure the prized puppies, and to maximze return for the effort. You wouldn't want one of those 8 pups to die because of a natural birth, would you? (Let alone let the dog mate with a real dog in the first place!)