EC'ers~WE DID IT!

[HeatherSanders]

Okay, amidst all this diaper talk, I was thinking . . . "What if I just tried for a day to EC?" I woke up this morning and forgot and then I was reminded after I changed a diaper around 11:15 or so. Kenny was hungry, so I fed him and then I remembered on another recent thread being told to wait about 10 minutes after a feeding and try to catch a pee.

So, after I fed him, I went ahead and stripped him and took him into the bathroom and closed the door (the girls were making him nervous running in and out and pointing at his 'weenie' :rolleyes: ).

Well, I grabbed him by the thighs and let his butt sink down a bit and just kept rocking back and forth and saying "Pssssssss" over and over. My girls were cracking up outside the bathroom door!

Then, I let the water run after about 4 minutes of nothing. I put him down next to the sink and dripped a bit of warm water on his penis. Two seconds later he started to trickle. I lifted him up really quick and made the "Pssssssss" sound while he PEED IN THE SINK!!!! Yea!!!!!! So, I marked it down - but the question is . . . when will he do it again??? It is going to be so hard to catch pee, because he didn't give any facial reaction, etc. . .

Okay, and I'm not certain about catching poop - do you hold them the same way?

Heather - soon to be a prefolds and wool cover gal if Kenny learns to EC!!! HA! Now wouldn't that be something.

[HeatherSanders]

Okay, WE DID IT AGAIN . . . it is only 15 minutes later and he is in the swing next to me diaperless here in the office and he starts grunting and moving around like he is uncomfortable.

So, I think - "Go with the flow, Heather." I take him out of his chair talking to him about needing to pee pee and take him to the sink. No water running, no warm water on the penis, nothing . . . I hold him over the sink . . .whisper "Pssssssst" and IMMEDIATELY he pees AGAIN!

And he toots.
So maybe a poop soon?

I know, my ongoing saga!

[BowenTherapist]

heather that is awesome :)
you are also pretty much garenteed a pee just after he wakes up.
we hold her in the same position for poops, but i am lazy and get tired of holding her in position so what we do most of the time, especially before we got the baby bjorn potty, is ...
i sit on the edge of the bathtub and sit her between my knees and hold her feet in the squat position...

good luck it realy is very easy once you get the hang of it.
we are now going out in training pants... i'm pretty proud of that:D

[BowenTherapist]

:D jumping up and down :D
glad to hear you got two in a row....
you two are naturals

[serra42]

I put Emily on the big potty sometimes and just hold her. Sometimes we catch some most days recently though we have been busy and miss most. But we are just doing what we can.

[mrzmeg]

That's awesome! :banana
The easiest time for catching pees for us is right after a nap. You have to be quick sometimes, though! Especially at first as Kenny is learning how to hold his pee and poop more.
As far as poop goes, just run as soon as you hear him grunt.
Do you think you'll keep it up? That's really fabulous!

[mrzmeg]

Oh, and don't stress about misses. Tristan has peed on the carpet once and on me once today already :rolleyes:

[velveeta]

Wow, Heather, that is great! :thumb

It sounds like you are getting the hang of it after only two pees!

Keep us posted on Kenny's progress. I am especially interested to hear when you catch a poop. From what I have heard, poops are even easier than pees to predict and catch! :eek

Jean

[HeatherSanders]

Melanie,
I didn't think I'd understand the whole 'reading' him thing - so really, this was just a 'gimmick' day. I could never have realized how excited I would have been to catch 2 in a row! :LOL

However, Kenny is a big-time pee-pee King, so I'm sure I will miss a number of them, but today I'm trying to be a hawk-eye and see if we can't establish a routine. I have been trying to figure out his routine of pee/poop, etc. . . so I think this will help.

Heck yea, if I can get this figured out - he and me - I'll keep it up. He seemed 'happy' that I caught the second one. It was like he 'told' me and I answered him with a response. He was all grins.

The hard part - the grunting. He's a grunter. Some babies coo, but mine primarily grunts. So, I'm going to have to listen for the 'change' in his grunting. Maybe he'll kick his legs, adjust his body, furrow his brow or something too. I've taken him to the sink about 4 or 5 times in the last hour when he grunted and I can actually feel him pressing with his belly, but he might be trying to pee since that is what 'we' did before.

I'm thinking ahead to logistics. What do people do when they are in the car and their babies need to go and give them that 'sign?' I mean, does it frustrate the crud out of them when you aren't in a place to respond immediately? Does it discourage them in a sense?

I have Trickle Treat, but it is only a smidgeon of information . . . maybe I need to get that bigger book that is like 250 pages of EC wisdom.

[Mamaste]

Woohoo! Grats!

We have real good luck with voluntary pottying right before bath time at night. We were finding that DD was peeing in the tub as soon as she got in, usually before she sat down. It's relatively soon after dinner, usually, which helps move things along as well.

[ShannonCC]

Heather, cool! Congrats!

I read Diaper Free by Ingrid Bauer (Sp? ) and really liked it.

I just wanted to comment you hadn't gotten the signs down yet? Well, it took me a good MONTH of just relying on timing before I felt that I was getting some signals. Really! It's not something you can either do or you give up, it's something you learn and it takes time! We've been doing this 2 and a half months and tho I can now read a lot of signals I still rely heavily on timing. With my kid it's not 10 minutes after eating, he sometimes starts making a poop face DURING eating (solids). And it's not immediately after waking, but maybe a few minutes after.

Anyway, good luck and have fun with it :D

Oh, and if you miss, don't sweat it, just say "psssssss. You peed! Let's get a dry dipe on you" or something matter of fact like that. Even if you miss every single time one day, you can still foster communication by telling him what he's doing.

I've noticed for me that every single time I've had a 100% catch day, it's followed by a "miss almost every single time" day, lol! Maybe I get cocky?

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by ShannonCC
Oh, and if you miss, don't sweat it, just say "psssssss. You peed! Let's get a dry dipe on you" or something matter of fact like that. Even if you miss every single time one day, you can still foster communication by telling him what he's doing.

Okay, that's what I just did. We were sitting here and I felt warmth on my leg and I said, "Ooopsy, Kenny went pee pee" and whished him off to the sink and said "Psssssst" over and over a few times (this time with both of my daughters doing it with me). They are now EC'ing their teddy bears.

And who says that children don't imitate! HA!

[mrzmeg]

LOL, Heather!
When we're in the car and Tristan has to pee, if it's possible, we stop and I pee him into a clean diaper. But, we always go out as a family and DH drives. When we can't stop for whatever reason, Tristan just goes in his diaper. At this age, it doesn't bother him all that much. He'll fuss for a minute, go, then act like "ok, change me now!" So, I just get him into a clean diaper as soon as possible.
We EC at home and on trips, but I only go diaperless at home right now. We're not in sync enough to do that going out.
I also recommend _Diaper Free!_. It's really a great book and an interesting read.

[HeatherSanders]

I think I'll be on this board all day with this new thing we are doing! HA! I just fed him again and I'm sure he'll need to pee in a few. He hasn't pooped since around 10:30, so I'm curious when the next bm will come.

Thanks for the book review. I'll go through Powell's so MDC can get some $$$!

[HeatherSanders]

WE JUST PEED #3!!!!

I'm getting a bit too giddy about all of this! :LOL

[MammaMel]

That's great!! :thumb Isn't it the best feeling taking ds to the potty and him USING it?!
We have been doing EC for almost 2 months now and it definately gets easier. It's like I just "know" when ds needs to go and take him. Poor dh, never sems to catch much though.

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by MammaMel
That's great!! :thumb Isn't it the best feeling taking ds to the potty and him USING it?!
Well yes, actually, but we've been using the sink. I'm sure I'll not want to use the sink for BMs (but then, I disinfect it anyway, so why not?).
We had a poopy mishap and he never grunted . . . just went into the diaper I have him sitting on in his bouncy chair while I made the girls lunch.

I SOOOO wanted to catch the poop, but that was a loose wet one . . . would have splattered!

[MammaMel]

We started out using the sink too, but dh wasnt very happy about it lol. :wink

[HeatherSanders]

I like to 'watch' for it though. Also helps me aim and Kenny seems to be calmer (maybe because I'm more comfortable).

He's napping now . . . so, I'll try to catch it again right when he wakes up.

[pamelamama]

Wow, Heather, I better finish your soaker before it becomes unneccesary!!

I want to try EC! I did the sound effects for a few days, well, maybe a day, when Eli was first born. As far as I'm concerned, communication is good. Maybe I'll try again a little bit.

Heather, you've inspired me.

Really, I think it's the laziness factor that keeps me from really committing to trying EC 100%. To be completely honest. :)

[arizonawillow]

Heather--
this is awesome!! I love your enthusiasm! A couple of comments...

In the car if ds had to go I would just say "it's ok to go in your diaper, we'll change you as soon as we can" Some people bring along potties

About poops, I don't know the name of it but there's a digestive reflex that starts when the individual starts eating and then leads to pooping. It might not be as visible in a tiny baby who's nursing all the time but easier to tell in an older baby or toddler who's eating less often. Some signs to look for for poops are the baby getting really still and quiet, or getting a certain look on his face (can't describe it, it's just a look :P)

I used the sink only at the very beginning and the started squatting down or kneeling and holding ds over the toilet, with the seat up and facing the back of the toilet.

Isn't EC such a cool thing ..... :) :)

Vicki

[BowenTherapist]

Originally posted by hlsanders

I'm thinking ahead to logistics. What do people do when they are in the car and their babies need to go and give them that 'sign?' I mean, does it frustrate the crud out of them when you aren't in a place to respond immediately? Does it discourage them in a sense?

I have Trickle Treat, but it is only a smidgeon of information . . . maybe I need to get that bigger book that is like 250 pages of EC wisdom.

i hatecar rides for this reason! actually what i say to dd is i know you have to go pee pee but we are in the car, and i can't take you right now. you have a diper on and you can go in the dipe and i will change you as soon as we get home. she may get frustrated but i don't think she gets discouraged
i have the big book, but i never read the whole thing... i am always lending it to other people :)
have you been to ahleema's web site? it has a lot of great info and every emaginamble link to other ec sites

[onediaperinmama]

Heather, this is so cool. I was so interested in EC but didn't give it a good go until Jake was older. So he "tells" me when he has to go poop. Man, I haven't changed a poopy diaper in like 3 months or so. He always goes on his potty. It's SO COOL! Family & friends are always like, "You don't know how lucky you are" and "You do know this is a freak of nature and you won't ever have this happen again." :LOL

We're totally doing EC from the get go with #2 WHO I HOPE WE CONCEIVED LAST NIGHT. :LOL

Anyway, you've brought up a ton of questions I've had myself... like what do do in the car etc. Very cool thread!

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by pamelamama
Wow, Heather, I better finish your soaker before it becomes unneccesary!!
Well, dipes and covers will be needed for a good while still - esp. at night!!

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by Moonbucket
We're totally doing EC from the get go with #2 WHO I HOPE WE CONCEIVED LAST NIGHT. :LOL

Keep us posted, 'k?'

Yes, this is pretty cool . . . so sayeth Kenny who loves all the attention!!

Thx for the car suggestions! And it makes sense that you can release them to 'go' in their dipes if you can't get to it right then!!

I made a 'chart' to see a pattern. I know - there goes my anal self, but it'll help me get this together in my head faster . . . his 'schedule,' I mean.

[Charmie981]

cool! I'm so glad to see a mama with other children doing this. I've mentioned to my mainstream-but-open-minded friend that I'm thinking about ECing with the new baby (to avoid the potty training issue, which I'm really not enjoying!) and she says that I'd be suprised how hard it is to pick up on stuff like "poopy faces" when there are two kiddos around. Makes sense, but makes me want to do it more b/c it means that I'll have to pay attention to my second child like I did my first, KWIM?

The EC group here seems to grow and grow. I'm not totally committed to it (thus why I'm still building a stash), but I AM totally committed to at least giving it a shot...out of laziness (like I said, I'm truly hating potty training!).

[USAmma]

Wow Heather, how exciting!!! It's soo cool isn't it?

Darshani
and Abi (former EC'd baby)

[HeatherSanders]

Missed poop twice now . . . he just hasn't changed his face or anything.

[pixiemama]

Wow, that's great Heather. LOL about your girls peeing the teddies, hehe.

[HeatherSanders]

Ooops . . . I wasn't watching and he peed in my daughter's pink cup at the sink. :eek She WAS watching and scolded him proper. Then she refused to take it to the kitchen because it had 'boy pee' on it. Something I should know about boy pee? HAHAHA!

He's napping now . . . 2nd nap today. Hopefully I can catch the 'after nap' pee.

I have been online all day - well, since 11:15. This is getting ridiculous. :rolleyes:

[Quirky]

Yay, Heather! Go, Heather! Woo woo woo! :banana

I think it definitely gets easier as they get older, because they go longer between pees and poops and it falls into a pattern.

I think you should the Baby Bjorn little potty - the best 9.95 I've spent so far! We rinse ours out and dump it in the toilet for poops, but just rinse pee down the sink or the tub.

I also really like Laurie Boucke's book Infant Potty Training. For those of us that love too much information, it not only tells you the hows but also goes into the history of potty training in this country and gives a lot of information about how they do it in other countries. Makes me feel more secure that EC isn't totally out to lunch, KWIM?

[HeatherSanders]

Caught an after nap pee . . . whoo hoo, that's like 5 caught pees today!!!

[MammaMel]

I also suggest the baby bjorn little potty, we just got ours last week and Sebastian loves it. I have the cutest picture of him on it, I need to figure out how to post it.

[HeatherSanders]

Okay, I looked at that Baby Bjorn potty, but Kenny is only about 8 weeks old now - so . . . the potty? Really? This early?

[momsgotmilk4two]

When is it too late for EC? My boys are 2 and a half (too late for sure) and 12 months. Can I try this with my one year old? My 2 and a half year old will sometimes pee on the potty, but for some reason is afraid to poop on it:confused: . He knows when he has to go, but will ask for a diaper and become distressed at the suggestion to go on the potty so we leave him alone. I would like to avoid some of that with my one year old, but frankly I think I'm too lazy to EC:o . Should I try to catch a poop with my younger ds or is it just too late?

[AmyB]

Originally posted by hlsanders
Okay, I looked at that Baby Bjorn potty, but Kenny is only about 8 weeks old now - so . . . the potty? Really? This early?

Yes, get the potty. You won't be sorry. You can hold him up for now, but pretty soon he'll be able to sit up on it alone. It's a great place to put the baby down while you get a fresh diaper ready (if you aren't doing the naked butt thing).

--AmyB

[HeatherSanders]

Okay, that makes sense. Thx!
Caught our 6th pee today & now daddy is home to see the next one!!

[spyiispy]

I've been following this all day, Heather...with great fascination! Esme's eight weeks old too....and I haven't really given EC the "look" it deserves. That is soo cool; that you caught 6 pees on your first day.

Amyb.....how do the "sit" on the potty by themselves so young? Could you explain this to me? If it makes sense....I will run out and buy the Baby Bjorn potty right now.

Lisa

[MammaMel]

I have a pic of Sebastian on his baby bjorn potty in my sig now :)

[spyiispy]

Thanks MammaMel!! Really cute! I am having my hubby pick one up on his way home. They should have em at Babies R Us, right? I'm exciting for Esme to wake up so I can try this! Heather you have inspired me, girl! I was like you....I knew what EC was, but didn't really give it the "look" it deserved. I don't know....I just thought it would require alot of work, be incovenient, not work, etc., etc. (much like my thoughts on cloth diapers wayyy back!) Soooo, we'll let ya know how it goes.....

For those of you who EC baby girls......how do you hold them?

Lisa

[MammaMel]

Yep, that is where we bought ours!
I have a friend how has a girl and she does it the same as I do Sebastian.

[mrzmeg]

We started using a Baby Bjorn with Tristan when he was about three weeks old. I would just hold him on it, supporting him under his thighs. It worked much better than a bowl, since I could rest part of his weight on the potty. I would just brace his back against my chest.
Hope that makes sense!

[HeatherSanders]

Lisa, here is Ahleemah's site:My journey to Elimination (http://www.freewebs.com/freetoec/)
I spent a lot of time perusing it last night b/c I was trying to figure out what I'd do for night time.

Total yesterday we caught 7 pees and 1 poop (by accident - I took him after he peed on the bed while I was reading and he 'blew' as soon as we got over the sink). Sure was nice to just rinse out the sink -v- cleaning a diaper and his bum stays so much the cleaner.

This morning he woke to eat at 4:00 and I figured I'd just wait for his pee before we went back to bed. HELLO . . . it is now 4:50 and he JUST PEED. I'm wide awake and so is he . . . need to figure out a better night-time system for certain.

[Quirky]

Night time is almost impossible for us to do EC. Sometimes I think he's wiggling around because he has to go (after he says he doesn't want to nurse), so I take off his dipe and put him on the potty, only to pi$$ him off royally and have him wake up crying. I'm also so out of it when I wake up at night it's all I can do to nurse without both of us falling out of bed. So for us, daytime is enough for right now.

[Ahleemah]

reading about the EC'ing teddy bears makes me laugh...

My ds who is 15.5 months will insist that his dolly sit on it's little potty beside him while he sits on his. (the pic is at the bottom of the main page of my site)

he's taken to carrying the dolly in his sling and then taking it out to pee, back in sling, out to pee, etc... LOL he must be remembering how frequent that was a mere 6 months ago.....

Ahhhh memories,

Ahleemah - who can't believe that the last time a diaper touched her son's butt was over 5 months ago....

[Karen1974]

Just wanted to offer support, encouragement and *Congrats* for trying EC--you're going to be a pro at it at the rate you're going! :thumb

[HeatherSanders]

Thanks Karen.
Last night was tough since Kenny was dealing with some gassy-type cramping. Hard to read the grunts/kicking when they are constant. However, I wish I had a Baby Bjorn (ordered one last night), because I think it would have 'felt better' to him to sit on one. Every time I had him in the 'squat' position holding his thighs it was obvious he felt physically better. We did a lot of sink time last night.

This morning he was wet upon waking, but I'm thinking all the work last night made him tired. He slept 6 hours w/out waking to nurse.

He nursed and then he pooped and went back to bed.

It really is nice doing this - I'm already counting the diapers I haven't used! HA!

[Quirky]

Heather, I came to CD'ing backwards - we were using sposies, but when I started EC'ing, I just started feeling so incredibly wasteful (all right, even *more* wasteful) throwing away a barely used sposie, but I couldn't stand to put it back on. Now I have a big ol' stash of CDs that stay pretty clean - they hardly ever get pooped in! And sometimes we can use the same CD for 6 hours or so without it getting peed in!

[pamelamama]

I took a dry diaper off of Eli today and he indicated his need to pee --- he had a tiny erection. My older son always got a "big pee pee" when he had to urinate. So I ran to the sink, and sure enough we caught the pee. :)

This would be easier if he wasn't so heavy. Am I complaining a lot on this thread? I feel like I am. If I can't EC with a good attitude maybe I should just forget it! I'll try to be More Positive. :D

[HeatherSanders]

Jane, you know when I think through your statement, it seems that you came to CD'ing in a very 'forward' manner. It is a back-up to not utilizing/wasting at all. I had never heard of EC'ing until I was looking for a way to keep my 2 year old dry at night. Somehow it came up in a search engine. She'd wet through her diaper, pull it off and later wet the bed and I'd find her at the bottom of the bed struggling to stay/feel dry.

Pamela, TOO COOL! Yep, my little guy ain't such a little guy. Order a Baby Bjorn . . . I have a feeling that $9.95 investment is going to make my life a heck of a lot easier. I'll just carry it from room to room. Maybe I should get another one???

Last night when we were 'working together' to get this thing down, Kenny was cramping and I swear if I had just put him on the Baby Bjorn he would have been so much happier. The Tupperware wasn't doing the trick - he didn't really 'relax' until I held him over the sink, but if he could 'sit' in that same position - I think he would actually sort of enjoy it.

[Karen1974]

I keep meaning to pick up a BB Little Potty myself--we've just been using the toilet or sink. So far Annalise hasn't been too excited about pottying in the early morning; I think she gets cranky about the walk to the bathroom when she really just wants to sleep. But I think the potty would help, cause it would make the whole process faster/easier.

I was counting "diapers saved" too, until I realized I was obsessing over it and it was changing my focus and messing with our communication. Our catch rate actually tended to be a bit worse on days I was actively counting (though I did have some great days too when counting). So I have to work on letting that anal, details-obsessed side of me go for this....

[HeatherSanders]

Ummm . . . er . . . we've missed more than we caught today, however, with that said . . . he's still dry. We are still changing, still smiling - and he is REALLY happy that mommy is so attentive.

I understand about the counting diapers . . . I stopped doing that too. Heck, I ought to start counting flannel blankets (My aunt and mother made a ton of these in different fabrics b/c I like to papoose my babies for a good while in blankets) . . . he goes diaperless now so he's peeing in the blankets left and right!

[Karen1974]

Actually I'm planning a naked baby/blanket day this week to help get us back on track. I too have tons of flannel blankets the relatives gave us; good thing they don't know what they're going to be used for :LOL:

[Ahleemah]

When we were first starting out EC, it was amazing how different two days in a row could be:

one day, almost perfect, barely a miss.
next day, OMG Pee everywhere and likely a poop on my lap... :-)

our wees ones have changes in their temperament as well, some days it's just not worth it to signal, some days they are occupied with some other mental task and just forget or choose not to. Which is where timing comes in handy...

TIC off the list in your head:
T- Timing
I- Intuition
C-Communication

That's the order it happened for us.. first I would do timing (ie: after a nap, after a feeding, etc) then I started to kick in to some very cool mama intuition (hearing the word "pee" in my head, and if ignored, getting a wet lap, LOL) and now at 15.5 months, he will often clearly communicate to me his need, sometimes now by pointing to the bathroom or walking there himself.

HTH,

Ahleemah

P.S> I'm a baby bjorn ADDICT!!!! I even specially found a SPlashproof potty which now is apparently not available in the US. We have two potties, one for bedroom and one for playspace.

[ShannonCC]

My kid likes the baby bjorn too :D He also likes the padded potty insert on the big toilet (I hold him so he doesn't fall, but he actually sits). He seems to like support when he goes potty. Even when we're out in public and I'm holding him under the thighs, he still requires contact with the seat. He doesn't like to be held over things like has been described. When I hold him like that, I rest his butt on the seat and then he's happy. And mine is a big guy too, so it's easier on me :D

For night, we put him in diapers. I *try* not to rely on them but we still have at least one wet dipe a night. It's a really delicate balance for us. If I try to pee him too early he cries cuz I'm waking him. If I wait too long, then he wets his dipe. And I don't wake easily so I'm not really "all there" either, lol! But when I do manage to pee him at night, he then goes back to sleep more solidly, so it's nice :D

I can't remember which thread, but Heather asked which dipes people use? We use Liz's cloth at night. It's my fav, trim, snap dipe :) If we're out of those, I just use any fitted snap or velcro dipe I have lying around (tho I have more Liz hemp in the mail as we speak so I'll be a happy camper soon!). During the day when we go out we now use fitted dipes with no cover! For awhile we used prefolds and proraps, but we've had so very few misses when out, we go coverless now. I use Country cozy trainers. They pull up and down but are as absorbant as a thin dipe so good enuf for a miss w/o getting the pants wet. At home during the day he now wears Gerber training pants. If he has pants over those and we miss, they will get wet, but they do soak a bit, so it's not straight on the carpet at least. And he looks so adorable in underpants :love

[ShannonCC]

Oh, and Heather, prefolds are great for carrying him around the house. I don't do it anymore cuz we've gotten pretty good, but I used to have one under him all the time in the beginning. When you pick up the baby, just put a prefold against your chest first. If he hadn't pooped in awhile, I would pull the end under his butt. We got a lot of wet prefolds that way the first month or so :D It's nice cuz you know instantly if he goes, but you don't have a huge amount of pee all over the place.

[HeatherSanders]

He has very 'active' poop today, so I've been doing prefolds w/ a snappi fastener (instead of just under him or against my chest to catch 'uncaught pee') b/c I can do that really quick. We've done better since after naps w/ the hit or miss! :)

[spyiispy]

I haven't been able to post our progress since Friday....when Heather inspired me to at least give this EC stuff a good try. First time I tried....I caught a big ole poop! Well, that was soooo rewarding. Missed a couple pee's.....then a few hours later, I caught a pee. Yahhooo!

Saturday, we were at church and at my SIL's house, so I wasn't as attentive as I should've been.

Today....I caught a pee and got pee'd on..lol. She just pooped in her diaper, cuz I was browing MDC and NOT paying attention to her. I have DH getting the Baby Bjorn potty today. Can't wait...cuz she's starting to protest being held by the thighs over the bathtub and my biceps start to ache after awhile holding her over our high sink.

Ahleemah...thanks for all the good info! I read your whole site and what a cute chubba bubba kiddo you have :) My inlaws were here this weekend and they're pretty used to all the "weird" stuff I do....so this was no biggie. FIL thinks it is pretty cool!

Heather....keep us posted.....I draw encouragement from all the poops & pees you catch! I'll post my progress here as well....

Just one thought.......ya know how it's said we only use between 3 and 7% of our brain?? I think EC and being "in tune" with your child is delving into another part of our brains.

Lisa

[HeatherSanders]

Lisa,
Well, I ordered my Baby Bjorn potty today b/c there isn't a place around here that sells them. They aren't at our Baby's R Us - well, not the Little Potty.

I find that it is difficult to 'catch' everything when I have a list of other things to do. Since I don't think my 'communication' is intuitively all it can be right now, I still rely a bit on timing and watching his faces, listening to his grunts. But, when I'm getting laundry out of the dryer, making lunch for my kids, answering e-mails, etc. . . I'm just not 'used' to being as attentive as EC'ing requires. So, I AM LEARNING a whole new way to approach a lot of things I do (with my ears not only open, but HEARING . . . KWIM?).

I do know that I am SOOOO proud of dh. He's totally 'into' this and he has caught many poos and pees since his first experience outside of the shower. He'll go running at any ol' grunt and Kenny is nice enough to reward him.

I can feel Kenny pushing to poop with his belly - but sometimes he's not ready. I know when I feel that we had better try again relatively soon or I'll have a dirty diaper to clean.

I have learned a couple of things about my son:
1. There are no longer any confusing cries. If he is fed, not hurting and not tired . . . he either needs to 'go' or he has already 'gone' and wants me to clean it up.

2. He LOVES being clean . . . he even grins at me after he and I have communicated and he's been able to relieve himself in the sink. And if I try to draw him away from the sink too early . . . he'll cry at me as if to say, "Not yet mom!" Sometimes he'll go right when I put him back - other times he seems to be trying or just enjoying staring at us in the mirror.

3. He will NOT sit in a wet diaper/blanket and not let me know now. And that helps me keep him 100% clean.

So, although we don't have it perfect . . . hahahaha (I can't imagine there is any 'perfection' with EC'ing), I am not discouraged. I don't see going back. I love my SPeas even more now because without covers I can feel the wetness on the first pee! Prefolds still 'rock' and I'm no longer concerned over what diaper is the most absorbent . . . b/c . . . well, it doesn't need to be!

Oh, and Kenny doesn't pee at night unless he wakes . . . he really doesn't. He pees HEAVY and LONG first thing in the morning. It is like an old man. It goes pss - stop - psssss - stop - pssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss! :LOL

[mrzmeg]

Heather, I know what you mean! The most rewarding part of EC for us is knowing what Tristan wants. I'm able to interpret all his cries now: I need to go, I went, or I'm sleepy.
It's great :D

[ShannonCC]

Originally posted by hlsanders

(I can't imagine there is any 'perfection' with EC'ing),

LOL! Is there any perfection in PARENTING??? :D You sound like it's going great for you! My ds doesn't pee in his sleep either, it's cool! My dd didn't either, but I didn't know about EC back then.

Congrats on how well it's going for you :D

[HeatherSanders]

Melanie, this may be a redundant question, but did you start from birth? I SOOOOO wish NOW that I had started from birth with Kenny simply because I believe it would be so much easier for him to have never known any other way.

:love Next Baby! :love

Is there an estimation for about what age (or how long) it usually takes before it is relatively 100%? (or is that a pipe-dream and I should just wish for the best, focus on communicating and be grateful that Kenny and I are 'talking')?

Shannon, good point . . . no, PARENTING is 100% trial and error! At least in this household it is!

[Karen1974]

:LOL Heather--DD sometimes pees like that too :LOL

I've noticed that sometimes after naps when she's reached the point she needs to go and I know or reasonably suspect as much, she sometimes seems to have trouble getting started. I've started taking a moment to go myself and telling her how much better I feel afterwards (sounds so silly, I know :LOL) but 9 times out of 10 she'll go after that. I don't know if it's the extra few minutes, or me going or both, but it seems to be helpful for her.

I know what you mean about misses when you have 1000 things to do! I found when I first started this that I felt kinda mentally drained at the end of the day cause I had to be constantly conciously tuned in. That part has gotten easier over time though!

[mrzmeg]

We started when Tristan was a week old. Wanted to figure out bf'ing first!
I'm also interested in knowing when a baby can go diaperless 100% of the time...I'm thinking that Tristan will be there when he learns to communicate through signing or talking.

[HeatherSanders]

Are any of you guys on the Elimination Comm. Yahoo Group? I had to receive it via Daily Digest. I signed up for it yesterday and had 25 posts or so before I knew it. It was a bit overwhelming.

Do many EC'ers sign? At what age?

[arizonawillow]

Heather,
I'm rereading Laurie Boucke's Infant Potty Training book and she says that it takes 8-24 months for babies to be 100% or "graduated". And that you should plan on it taking longer, since it's not about how soon your baby is "trained" but rather about the communication and meeting your babe's needs. (not her words exactly but you get the idea)

The way I ECed, which was sort of part time, I was able to have my son out of dipes at 21 months. He was very reliable out of the house, also I paid more attention to him. At home he continued having "accidents," usually at least once a day, for several months. I just kept him in training pants and it was fine.

I'm on the EC list and have been nomail for a while, since my boy's older and we're not really ECing anymore. I like going to the list periodically and checking out all the cool offtopic discussions (babywearing :)).

Reading IPT again and seeing how well you're doing makes me want to be more gung-ho about EC the 2nd time around. And start right at the beginning.

:)
Vicki

[spyiispy]

Heather......

I'm not feeling very "in tune" today; no caught poops. It seems you and Kenny are much more in that mode. I'm gonna keep with it, though. She's napping right now, without a diaper on. I hope she's dry and will wanna pee soon after. Twice now, she's peed right after I took her away from the sink :( Maybe I just need to tough it out a little longer before I take her away.

DH isn't home yet and I'm anxious to get our little Baby Bjorn potty. I haven't told my mom yet what we're starting. I'm just gonna email her a picture of Esme on the potty. Hee hee :) She's an herbalist/reflexologist, so she's into "alternative" thinking.

For those of you who EC in colder climates........do you keep your babe diaperless? We keep it right at 69/70 in our house to save energy. I don't want her to be cold.....but I don't want our heat bill to go through the roof cuz we're ECing.

Also...anybody tried a modified EC method with an older child? I'm thinking of letting my 2 year old go diaperless tomorrow....just to help him realize when he has to go. It makes me a little sad when I think about how I conditioned him to ignore his urges to eliminate.

Lisa

[HeatherSanders]

Lisa,
WOMAN! Kenny crapped ON ME (not in the sink, potty or a diaper), but ON ME twice last night and twice today. He's got some kind of spew factor going with his poop right now and I am still learning his cues. Funny thing is 2X it was right after I took him away and the other 2X were in the middle of a feeding. I thought he was stopping to get a breathe and then pshppppptt all over me!

And I have finally set a towel to the right of the sink for my 'patience' and 'rest' time. I take him to pee about 5 minutes after a feeding. I say pssss and if he doesn't do it in a minute or so, I rest his bum and my arms while he sits on the towel. Then, we do it again. I will do this for up to 10 minutes, but he almost always does it within this time period. And the towel will 'catch it' if he starts when we are 'resting.' I am looking forward to getting my potty too.

I'd say today we caught as many as we lost. He has a definite pattern though. I suggest charting for a day or two b/c that is what showed me the nap/wake/eat/pee pattern. There is not a pattern for poop . . . but THERE IS A FACE AND A GRUNT! :) Oh, and I should not forget - he kicks too!

[JesseMomme]

Wow Heather I read this thread with so much interest!! Please keep it posted!! :thumb

I too have thought to myself, well what if I just "tried it" and see what happens for a day? I mean it's something I've heard about and understood the basics of for years but never fully read every single word about. I keep thinking I'll try and then I get going throughout the day and then I'll forget.

[spyiispy]

LOL, Heather....thanks for the encouragement. And that poop sound you spelled out "pshppppptt"....that's EXACTLY how it sounds! I like the idea of having a towel there. It seems like I'm just not patient enough with her (or my arms get tired).

Alright, I've gotta go check on her....she's still napping. Wanna catch her AS SOON as she wakes up. Do you make a poop sound when he poops, or do you just go psssssss for both?? I've been making a "OOoooooOO" grunting sound when she poops. Indy thinks its pretty funny....

Lisa

Where's my potty????

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by spyiispy
Do you make a poop sound when he poops, or do you just go psssssss for both?? I've been making a "OOoooooOO" grunting sound when she poops.
I only make one sound . . . the Psssssss sound. Primarily because a lot of times he poops and pees at the same time and I couldn't do two sounds at the same time and it seems it would be confusing to him (and me, especially).
i look at it as our Elimination Cue and the more I add to it, the less natural it will be for me.

Tonight has been great though - caught the last poopy in a diaper while he was nursing, but then he fell asleep so I sauntered in here. He woke up and started crying and I knew he needed to go . . . so I took him and he waited to poop and pee until I gave him the Psssssss. Then, 10 minutes later he told me he needed to pee again and we did. Yea! That is a good ending to a relatively on and off day!

And oh how he smiles after we go at it succesfully. He just grins ear to ear and 'talks' to me.

[Karen1974]

That is so awesome, Heather! You're making me excited all over again about EC!!

[HeatherSanders]

Karen - yea, it really is cool.

Hey, I might try your 'going to the bathroom' trick myself. I've been downing loads of water lately and usually need to go about the time I think he might anyway.

Thanks for the suggestion. Glad also to hear from another momma that it takes a little time to get used to 'hearing' amidst the daily grind. I can't just stop everything - like preparing meals for my other lovely chil'ens! :)

My grandmother was overseas when she had my mother and my mother's older brother. They each had a nanny. Would that not be great at times to be able to have someone come in to cook, wash clothes and clean while we watched our children play and EC'ed our babies? HAHAHA! Talk about pipe dream!

[Karen1974]

Oh to be independently wealthy, eh?

[Karen1974]

oh yeah, meant to mention I've been crapped on too :LOL Thank goodness it's BF poop, eh? :LOL

[Ahleemah]

okay I'll say this in a VERY small voice, so no one be offended....

talk about absorbancy actually really horrifies me.... think about what we're saying "I want the maximum amount of pee to be able to be held so that none of it leaks out of where it's wrapped against my baby..." EEK!

I truly believe (knock wood) that EC will be to AP someday as is breastfeeding, babywearing, etc. It's just so instinctive, so natural, that going back to diaper training seems incomprehensible to me as well.

My .02

Ahleemah

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by Ahleemah
okay I'll say this in a VERY small voice, so no one be offended....

talk about absorbancy actually really horrifies me.... think about what we're saying "I want the maximum amount of pee to be able to be held so that none of it leaks out of where it's wrapped against my baby..." EEK!

Why would that offend . . . sounds very caring. That is why I was saying several posts back that my view on absorbency is changing. I even took out the snap-in soakers in my SugarPeas b/c I want to feel the instant Kenny wets, not later. And he's been wearing gauze (very porous) flatfolds and his prefolds too when he's not naked b/c I can snappi them off and on really fast upon feeling wetness.

Tonight he was crying BECAUSE he was wet and as soon as I took that diaper off he smiled a big, "Thank you momma!" That was too cool!

[Karen1974]

I agree. I've been toying with the idea of seeing if Michelle from SMJAE would make me a thinner and/or less absorbant (compared to my JBs) insert for my FB for just that reason. Though generally I can feel it immediately when I use just one JB (the warmth). I'm sure traditional societies would be appalled at our infant hygiene practices in the West....

[pamelamama]

Eli is a baby that cries very little.. Now that I'm dabbling with EC, I feel he's crying a bit more. Now that I'm attending to his dryness more carefully, he seems to be telling me when he is wet or poopy. ???I think???

Also, when I hold him over the sink sometimes he cries. I'm not sure if he cries because he is uncomfortable, or because he wants to pee and he can't or what.

Whew, this is giving me a lot to think about.

Ahleemah: This forum must make you crazy if you are disturbed by talk of absorbancy! That's practically the #1 word around here! :winky
Thanks for the perspective shift!

For now, I am showing progress when I say:

"I want the maximum amount of pee to be able to be held so that none of it leaks out of where it's wrapped against my baby..."

"for the shortest possible period of time!!"
:)

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by pamelamama
Eli is a baby that cries very little.. Now that I'm dabbling with EC, I feel he's crying a bit more. Now that I'm attending to his dryness more carefully, he seems to be telling me when he is wet or poopy. ???I think??? :nod I bet so! Kenny is doing that! :nod
Also, when I hold him over the sink sometimes he cries. I'm not sure if he cries because he is uncomfortable, or because he wants to pee and he can't or what.
Kenny does this also. Now, last night I think he was having gas pains b/c he was jerking a bit. Today I think he was trying to figure out how to poop it out b/c his brow was furrowed, his face was turning red and when I pulled him away from the sink thinking he wanted to stop he hollered something awful!
Whew, this is giving me a lot to think about.Ain't it though?!

[Ahleemah]

Pamela: LOL! it's all perspective, eh?

and
"I'm sure traditional societies would be appalled at our infant hygiene practices in the West"

ohhhhh you wouldn't believe. :-)

Women from Africa told about diapering are horrified... "you mean they wrap their children in their own waste?". Read "Infant Potty Training" for some global perspective.

not that diapers are evil, but it should be remembered what they are: Items of Convenience, not necessity. Like TV dinners or cruise control or internet access (LOL I know I know, we all THINK That's a necessity....) diapers are modern inventions that are not part of the biological plan.

Ahleemah

[HeatherSanders]

Hey where has Freddy been? All this talk about EC and not one post . . . hmmmm . . .

[HotMama]

Originally posted by hlsanders
Are any of you guys on the Elimination Comm. Yahoo Group? I had to receive it via Daily Digest. I signed up for it yesterday and had 25 posts or so before I knew it. It was a bit overwhelming.

Do many EC'ers sign? At what age?
Yes to both your questions. Dd made her first sign today (drink) and we're hoping she'll use the toilet sign we keep waving at her while making the psssss sound. We started making the sign at about 6 1/2 months and it was the first sign we consistently used. She must have been real inspired, or we mistook her sign, to make the drink sign today since we haven't been using it as consistently as other signs.

It's great hearing your enthusiasm! We've had some off/on days lately, but the best part, miss or not, is dd stays dry, never sitting in a wet diaper. We didn't even try night EC until we'd been doing it during the day for 2 months, so you're way ahead of us. Go Heather! :raz

[pamelamama]

Woke up to change Eli's "night time diaper" (sorry ahleema, it's very absorbent!) and found he had pooped, and not so recently. (A very small poop, but a poop nonetheless. Thank goodness no rash.) He NEVER, in his 12 weeks of life, has pooped in a diaper overnight. I hope this isn't a trend.

We did have a different night time routine last night. He usually goes to bed with us (in our bed) at 11 or 12. Last night, he was sleeping and ready for bed at 11ish so he slept in his own crib for a couple of hours. We transferred him to a bassinette next to our bed at midnight. Then he slept all night, not waking to nurse until early morning, 5 or 6am. Then I brought him into bed and we nursed back to sleep. We slept a couple more hours and then I found the poopy diaper.

After that, we did have a successful sink-pee. Gotta get my baby bjorn.

Not today, we're snoooooowwed in.

Thanks for giving me a place to share.

[HeatherSanders]

Kenny did wet before he woke me this morning at 5:00, but when I put him over the sink he pooped and peed, then ate, then pooped and peed again! HAHAHA!

Same routine at 8:30 when he woke up - minus the poop.

Daddy is home with us today and he's actually enjoying pooping and peeing his boy!

[pamelamama]

I need to go to the library and get some EC books.

Heather, you mentioned making a chart. Is that a word file? Will you send it to me? That will save me some time making up my own. I want to be able to see the patterns. I can't hold it all in my heald. Up until now, I couldn't tell you how often Eli pees, poops, eats, etc.

Thanks!

[mamaluvs3girls]

Hi there ladies! This EC post has really sparked my interest. I'm not sure if it's for us but I figured I'd give it a try. This morning, Erin slept in very late. (she got up to play around midnight) I think it was 9:30 when we decided to wake her up. Normally by the time I get to her in the morning she's already pooped. But since I woke her up this morning she had not. So I sat her on the potty (we have a baby bjorn knock off), made the psssss sound. At first she looked at me like I was crazy. So a minute or two go by and she started grunting and then pooped! I let her sit another minute or two but no pee. A little later, after she ate, I took her up to change her shirt and thought, I'll try again. I took off her diaper, which was surprisingly still dry, put her on and again, made the psssss sound and she peed! Alison was standing next to her, clapping and cheering because "baby" had gone potty. Immediately after, I took Erin off, Alison hopped on to go potty, too. DH is home with us today and I told him about Erin and the first time he was surprised and the second time he said, "Boy you're determined, You're gonna get ONE of them to go on the potty." :LOL

[HotMama]

Originally posted by mamaluvs3girls
"Boy you're determined, You're gonna get ONE of them to go on the potty." :LOL :rotflmao

[HeatherSanders]

Originally posted by pamelamama
I need to go to the library and get some EC books.

Heather, you mentioned making a chart. Is that a word file? Will you send it to me? That will save me some time making up my own. I want to be able to see the patterns. I can't hold it all in my heald. Up until now, I couldn't tell you how often Eli pees, poops, eats, etc.

Thanks!
:nod Yep - I'll send it as an email attachment.

Bryana - too funny. Jeff's been peeing and pooping Kenny today while I do taxes. YEA . . . we only have 2 months of paperwork to go through! YES!

[Freddy]

Originally posted by hlsanders
Hey where has Freddy been? All this talk about EC and not one post . . . hmmmm . . .

I've been writing on a reply to this threat and when I had it finished with a million interruptions the threat was already much longer and there where new things I wanted to write something about...

So here we go:

Heather, great you are giving EC a try – and a very successful one too! No wonder you are excited! I remember how excited I was that it really WORKED when I tried it first with Wolfgang at 2 months old. And it’s still fascinating me after 3 years and now doing it again with Jutta. But looking at my posts here, it’s not difficult to tell that I’m an EC-oholic big time.

As books are going instead of „Trickle Treat“ Laurie Boucke now published „Infant Potty Basics“ which is a short version of „Infant Potty Training“. It’s a small and thin booklet with lots of information as far as I can say – just reading it at the moment. But I can also recommend „Infant Potty Training“ (which includes a testimonial of my experience with Wolfgang) and of course Ingrid Bauer’s „Diaper Free!“. Difficult to decide if you don’t want to have them all like me (figured I might just as well spend some of the money I saved for diapers and bought myself „Infant Potty Training“ and „Diaper Free!“)

I bought a potty for Wolfgang when he was 8 months old. At first I continued to hold him under his tights, but it was more comfortable for me, as I could rest the backs of my hands on the rim of the potty. Jutta used the potty from the beginning occasionally. She’s regularly using it (but also still toilet, sink, bowl and bucket) since she’s about 5 months old. I like it, because it doesn’t tip as easily as my little bowl and I can free one hand to make the „potty“ sign or to prepare a fresh diaper/fresh pants. I have to keep one hand on her though, because although Jutta can sit on the potty fine, if she decides to want to have something else that’s on the floor she dives off the potty head first.

I don’t think there is a way to predict, when you will be „100%“. Anyway you might be almost 100% for some time and then teething hits or learning to walk or whatever. Since Jutta started scooting on her belly a month ago – not really crawling yet – we are having quitea lot of misses again.. So what?! I can’t carry her in a sling all day against her will just to catch all pees and poos (missing one or two of those a week right now, still not bad with 3 to 6 bms a day). Wolfgang went without daytime diapers from 12 months on, but still had occasional „bad days“ of 4 or more wet diapers for quite some time. We stopped using nightime diapers later (16 months) but had much less accidents there, with a maximum of 3 a month. He only had one single nighttime accident after his 2nd birthday - at about 2 ½ years.

Charlotte:
This can definitely done with older kids around. Laurie Boucke didn’t discover EC for her first two sons, so she had those two around when ECing #3, Ingrid Bauer ECed child #2 and #3. On the elimination communication e-mail-list there are lots of ECed babies with older siblings, some of them ECed themselves, others not, some of them going through conventional potty training while baby goes potty, too. I don’t think doing this with Jutta is more difficult because Wolfgang is keeping me busy all day. Of course we do have some misses because he distracts me or because I’m just in the middle of doing something with him which I don’t want to interrupt apruptly. But on the other hand he’s a great example for Jutta, he sometimes tells me what Jutta wants, he provides entertainement at potty time and he just loves his little sister and she adores him, so this definitely compensates for a few misses.

Lisa:
You don’t have to hold boys and girls differently, holding Jutta is the same as holding Wolfgang for me – minus aiming the penis.

Jane:
We started cloth diapering for the same reason. When I read about EC Wolfgang was 2 months old and in fulltime disposables. I didn’t even consider cloth diapering – all that work, no thanks! ECing very soon got me hooked on cloth, disposables just didn’t work well with it. You’d have to throw them away for almost no pee, you were never sure if they had been peed into or not – at least you can’t check them by just poking a finger in there – and sometimes the velcro would wear out before the diaper was even used once by putting it off and on again for several times.

[HeatherSanders]

Thanks Freddy - glad you poked your head in! I guess I didn't figure we'd catch 100% for a good while. I just was curious at what point people stopped using diapers and started using pull-up 'something or anothers.'

Today my dh finally got an idea of what it means to multi-task. I was at MDC, doing taxes, taking business calls, processing sales, EC'ing Kenny, feeding Kenny, playing with a 2 year old and a few other things. He said, "This would drive me insane - I'd HAVE to go to work!" :LOL :LOL

My oldest is 6 and can tell me when Kenny wants to poop! She is very fascinated with it, but has only one request . . . that in public places we use the potty with Kenny and not the sink. She embarasses easily and already thinks mommy is a wee bit odd! :LOL Can you tell she is the one that was ff, disposable diapered and well, our 'learning curve.' God bless her!

[spyiispy]

Hi ECers! Just checking in with our progress today. This AM when she woke up for her feeding (at 5:00)....I took her down and she did a big ole poop in the potty. Then she she woke up for the morning at 8:00 AM, she did both in the potty. Then later, she pee'd three times in a row in her Baby Bjorn potty.

We went out in the early afternoon and she was in the car for about an hour. No ECing....

We get home and her diaper was barely wet. She then pee'd alot in the potty. I nursed her and a couple minutes later, we got a big poop.

A couple minutes ago, she did another big poop in the potty and pee'd just for good measure. This stuff is just soo exciting :) DH doesn't get it, but then he doesn't change the majority of the diapers around here!

It's been a very good day for lil Miss Esme! No so bad for Mama, either. NOW, if big brother could just catch on too :)

Lisa

PS....Thanks Freddy, I kinda figured it out through looking at websites with pix of EC'd babies and trial & error.

[spyiispy]

I forgot to say.......(and this is the best part)....

I haven't changed a poopy diaper ALL day!!!!!!

Lisa

[HeatherSanders]

See Lisa . . . it is fun! Kind of like a mind/communication game you can actually 'play' with a baby!!!

Your day sounds like ours - minus the potty (still waiting - shipped today).

[Ahleemah]

Heather, I just went to your site for the first time and it's GREAT!!! I'm lovin' the eco-angle.... have you read my EC pamphlet on the green side of EC? it's on my links page.... that was definitely a big side of choosing EC, even the MAJOR eco-advantage of cloth dipes over "disposables" made me uneasy b/c of the waste you still have to produce using cloth.... I used to work for Greenpeace so I'm hard-core. :-)

Way to go!

Blessings,

Ahleemah

[HeatherSanders]

Ahleemah, so glad because I'm working on my current EC experience 'write-up' and planning on putting up an EC page now at the site. This is just too great an experience (albeit exhausting me today) to not have on the site. I will be sure to reference your site and the Yahoo Group that I have to receive a Daily Digest for b/c it is so incredibly ACTIVE!

I figure give mom the option and possibly pick up a few more 'supplies' for EC'ing.

I'm needing to get Snappi Fasteners . . . that works so quick with my prefolds for a quick off and on!

[Lady of Z Lake]

Jumping in a little late here, but thought I'd share my congrats and enthusiasm for everyone here trying EC!

I haven't been too successful lately, and I don't know if it's the age (8 mos) or what. Max has been crawling for over a month. He's cruising now and I rarely catch anything. When I take him to the potty, he tries to play with the seat or ANYTHING to just move. He is showing interest in the toilet, though... in sticking his hand inside!! :gross

And, I have to admit to wanting to keep him bundled up. Our house is about 66 degrees, and it's COOOOOOOOLD outside-- blizzard-- here!

So I think about it daily, and I really wish I were more successful. I can't wait for summer, but by then he may have forgotten all we worked on.

I never did have luck with the potties. He always cried and still does if I set him on one. Always held him over something.

Good luck!!!!

[HotMama]

He'll probably remember...I keep hearing about ECers who take a break and then it all comes back. Dd is 8 mo and it is hard for her to stop and potty when the time comes. We do better out than at home - I think the different toilets keep her interest. I'm hoping she doesn't get bored with the library toilets, we do great there and I love our new library.

Entertainment at the pot...Dd is fascinated with the toilet paper right now. Luckily, she only eats a tiny bit and remembers she doesn't like it. We also read books, her sitting on the big toilet between my legs. She's not liking her BB potty right now. This means we go to the toilet at night. Last night she only went once, then slept/stayed dry the rest of the night. :jammin

[Freddy]

Originally posted by HotMama
Entertainment at the pot...Dd is fascinated with the toilet paper right now.

Juttas favorite pasttime on puplic toilets at the moment is tearing up one of those paper bags they provide for throwing away sanitary pads

At home a piece of dental floss to play with is high up the list.