PREGNANT MAMA'S!! Round and Proud of It!!

[DoulaSarah]

Are you pregnant and in the Twin Cities?

What are you eating!! Any cravings? Any questions to ask? Where are you giving birth? Please join the community of like minded and pregnant mamas in the Twin Cities!!!

[DoulaSarah]

Hey all! I know that I am the only one on here that isn't pregnant, but I thought that it was time to start a new thread. So YAY all you pregnant ladies....

[kaje62]

you are not the only one not pregnant
gully, katie and brown have all visited us

anyway still struggling with
m/s
dry nose

but otherwise things look and feel good

going to waterbirth wednesday night in st. paul to see doulahsarah's birth again or i guess it would be kettie's birth

saramam, can you meet us there?

[mamarsupial]

hey all.

all is well here. morning sickness was pretty bad last week, but got better over the weekend. actually made me nervous that it backed off a bit. i'm still feeling tired and craving odd things (spaghettios, gum drops, cases and cases of fruit)...so hopefully everything is still okay.

doulasarah - thanks for starting the new thread!

smeta - i also haven't gained any weight, but have lost and gained the same 5 lbs or so since the beginning of the pregnancy. i think it relates to when i weigh myself in relation to how much i peed the night before. i'd forgotten all about the moonlight trips to the bathroom. i also feel like i have more of a belly already than i did with e, but again, depends on the time of day.

sara mama - i love the thought of you - beautiful, round bellied, and in a bikini! that is just wonderful. i'm planning on borrowing a tankini from a friend of mine who had an august baby...since i will need something for our weekly swim classes once my belly pops.

[DoulaSarah]

Shannon - Please let me know if I can help you with anything. There have been so many times that they have been wrong with those machines. Did they take any blood? If not, I would have them do that to test the levels.

[nostrow]

Hello All! I just recently found these boards and I'm in love with you all! :wink OK, here goes: I'm at 16 weeks and this is my first and also a 'surprise' baby. Both my DH and I are excited and nervous (naturally)

What are you eating! Thankfully the horrible heartburn I've been having has gone away. Now, before I got pregnant I LOVED food. Now, I have no desire to eat. I eat, don't get me wrong, but nothing taste good. Any hints?
Any cravings? Occasionally for a Jimmy John's sub sandwich!
Any questions to ask? Yes, any suggestions for prenatal message? What kinds of exercise are you doing? Before I got pregnant I was already overweight and not exercising. I would like to maybe find a yoga or water class (that doesn't cost too much)? Are you all using midwives or anything?
Where are you giving birth? I think at Fairview University Hospital. I gotta go with whatever the insurance will pay for.

I think that's it for now. I look forward to sharing with you all!

Nikki

[mamarsupial]

welcome nikki!

FOOD: i'm eating lots of fruit (mangos, nectarines, etc.) and almonds (high in protein). we cook wth greens as often as we can (collards, chard, etc). lots of whole wheat pasta. i finally gave in to an unhealthy craving i had with dd - spaghettios and chef boyardee ravioli. most know we buy organic all the time, so these are very odd cravings for me. oh, and yesterday i had a craving for spice gum drops. very wierd. mmm. jimmy john's sounds really good :)

MASSAGE: dh is great about giving me a backrub when i need one. with dd, i went to my doula who is also a trained massage therapist. not sure if i will do that this time around, although it WAS wonderful.

EXERCISE: i walk a LOT, although less now that it is winter. i also take a 2 hour yoga class once a week, which is amazing. its not specifically prenatal yoga, but i've had the same instructor for almost 2 years and she has been very supportive. with dd, i gained nearly 30 lbs while we were ttc, despite the fact that i biked over 50 miles a week. luckily, i was able to get both that weightand my pg weight off before this pregnancy started. i would talk to your midwife or ob about what activities are safe to start now (walking will be great for you). there is a good article on exercise on babycenter (http://www.babycenter.com/refcap/758.html). its not the end of the world to have a little extra 'fluff' - kids like comphy, soft mamas - but its also a good idea to be thinking about it. the extra weight can make things more uncomfortable towards the end (at least it did for me).

[kaje62]

Nikki, I am also 16 weeks, due 8.8. When are you due?

And I plan to deliver at Fairview University and am using the University Specialists, how about you?

As with my first I am eating tons of oranges but this time also am eating apples. I go through ice cream cravings and have it a few nights and then it leaves. I ate a ton of meat with Charlie but not as much with this one. I wish I ate more veggies but my m/s started a couple weeks ago. I also have been eating a lot of Asian food which made me gag with Cha. And I eat a lot of soup. For lunch the one I had that I made had cabbage and lotsa other veggies so I do get the veggies in. Spice drops sound nummy Autumn. Bring them Thursday if you come!!!:thumb

Anyway glad you joined us Nikki.

Oh meant to say I am going to the collective meetings Wednesday and Thursday. Wednesday with dh and ds and Thursday solo. Anyone else going? Nikki do you know about them. They are basically the doula groups.

[nostrow]

I don't know about the Wed Thurs collective meetings. Would anyone mind telling me about them?

Are you happy with the University Specialists? Are they truly specialists. What I mean is do you have a specific reason to see someone there? I'm seeing a CNM right now BUT she doesn't attend births anymore. I want to change to someone I can see for Prenatal visits and who will attend the birth. Oh, and of course they have to be in my PPO! LOL
I'm going to go grocery shopping tonight and stock up on some fruits and veggies. The problem with me and veggies is that I get them home and promptly let them wither in the fridge!
My CNM told me that I should start exercising and suggested walking, but it's sooo cold and I hate the sprawl of America! I know I could find somewhere else to walk! I just like to whine.
:D

[kaje62]

nostrow, there you be

http://www.childbirthcollective.org/

I actually had a hard visit recently that I am still sorting out but I hear great things about Univ. Specialists.

[kaje62]

Bummed

Just found out once Maria starts radiation which is in 10 days, I should not be around her during it which is for 6 weeks and I don't know how long I have to wait till I can see her.

Anway I really want to be there for her.

I am bringing her meals that people are doing next Tuesday.

[kaje62]

forgot to mention he has nursed a bunch the last few days. wah!
I am not in control.

[kaje62]

charlie will be 2 1/2 when new babe arrives
we have the graco that holds the infant seat
we have the kelty back pack stand up stroller

anyone have an idea if i have to have a double and if so
any suggestions

[DoulaSarah]

Kathy-jo - I went out and got the Eddie Bauer double stroller and it is still sitting in my garage. It was so much easier for me to sling the babe and stick H in the regular one. That might not be the case for everyone, but I really have only used the double about 10 times. And even then, it was so combersome. I can see that this year, since they are older, I might use it more, but I just thought that I would warn you!!

[kaje62]

SaraMama I cannot find the book. I am sorry. I also cannot find my natural pregnancy book. DAMN! I think I let people use my stuff without writing it down to much. GRRR!! But again, I have some books by Sark and the Stuart Smalley book if you so wish.

I think you should do a belly cast. Might help you feel better.:p

[kaje62]

Well we had quite the preggie appointment today that it was almost comical. First we met with the head of midwives (Ann), the midwife (Lisa) who we had the hard visit with and the office manager (Sue). For those of you who are new, I posted about it several weeks ago but after a horrible two and a half hour visit and not finding a heartbeat and two ultrasounds they told me my pregancy was not viable. Anway I was about ready to leave and give up and before I left they did one more ultrasound where they did find baby and heartbeat and was told I have a tipped uterus. They also said some awful things to me that day and I went in to clear things up.

It went really well. I cried a teeny bit. DH was awesome. He said, "Our miscarriage was the worst thing we ever went through and that visit was probably the second worst and I love my wife very very much and I expect nothing but good care for my wife and our baby to be." He was so great. I love him so much. Anyway we ended and Lisa jumped up and threw both arms around me, which was a bit much for me. I gave her a half of a hug back as I was holding my coat.

Anyway we finished that visit and then we were to meet with the midwife, (Deb) for our monthly visit. Anyway as we waited Ann came out to us and said could I talk to you two for a few minutes and she pulled us into a room. I thought she was going to say something about our meeting. Instead she pulled out our charts. And said I was reviewing your records from Fairview Uptown and I noticed you had an EKG a couple years ago. And I asked Dr. Williams, our consulting physician to look at it and he recommended that you see a cardiologist because your EKG was borderline abnormal. I was told back then that it was normal. So anyway now I have to see a cardiologist.

And then we waited in the lobby again for the midwife and then they did my blood pressure and of course it was a bit high cuz I was a bit wigged out from the meeting and the news about my heart. And then while meeting with the midwife she said okay you are going to do the glucose test today. 'And I said, "Don't you usually do that much later in the pregnancy?" And she said yes usually at 28 weeks but because Charlie was so large (9.15) we have noted to check you now, at 28 and at 32 weeks. I said, "you know what no one told me this was going to be done today, and there is just too much commotion for me today." I really do not think I could chug that orange stuff today. So she agreed we can do it in 3 weeks when I have the second level ultrasound.

Anyway then we went back to the lobby to wait for the OB that we were meeting with for our VBAC consultation. And that meeting was pretty much normal. But I can tell you I am ready for a noneventful afternoon and evening.

Hope you are all well.

[DoulaSarah]

All of the doulas love Ann Johnson. I hope that you get her for your VBAC, Kathy-jo! She is great and really works for the mom and baby and not the "policy's"!

[DoulaSarah]

Tonight at the Thursday CC meeting is Birth Stories for anyone that is interested. I am planning on coming to the Thursday playgroup, but I have to get dressed and clean up this dirty pit of a house. So I am off to try to get it all done. I just got AF!! Sucks. I want chocolate and chocolate milk and a chocolate bath and chocolate clothes and a chocolate house and a chocolate car....
~sigh~ I don't have ANY chocolate.

[kaje62]

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[kaje62]

I am feeling a little bummed. I hope this does not offend anyone but I have been really stressed by my last midwife appointment and my upcoming EKG and all but I have not gotten any words on the boards about this visit. Seagan I appreciate your PM and doulasarah and autumn your support on Thursday with the panic attacks. I am wondering if I have not been supportive or if I am being overly sensitive. But I am stressed about all this and am wondering if this is a place where I can count on for support or if I should go elsewhere. I appreciate the past support with the first visit etc. Again this may be an oversite and I could just be an emotional needy pregnant woman.

I am having my EKG this week. I am a bit stressed about it as my dad died of a heart attack at 49 and I will be 41 in a couple months. But then I think I will be okay.

Last week I had a couple panic attacks. And I woke up yesterday and my fingers were so swollen that I could not get my ring off. Kinda scared me with this upcoming EKG and all but midwives said it could have been a salty meal and a few hours later they were unswollen.

Again I hope this is not too overwhelming of a post but I have been feeling hurt and thought I would share.

[mamarsupial]

kaje - i'm so sorry you have felt a lack of support here. i know you are not alone. the medium of the boards can be a difficult one. i have a hard time responding to people sometimes, yet i feel bad when people don't respond to something i have posted. its just an imperfect medium. you have been in my thoughts a lot lately, but i think you already know that. :hug

[nostrow]

Kaje, I too am sorry that you are feeling a lack of support. Especially (sp?) because you were so welcoming to me when I first popped onto the board. I did read your message about the EKG and I have been holding you in my thoughts (Although unless your a mind reader you wouldn't have know that! :wink ) I only have a very limited amount of time I'm able to jump onto the board, so I can't respond very timely and that makes me feel like 'too little too late' which is silly because if I were in your shoes I would want a response anytime. Anyhooo, I digress. I'm sending you many hugs and look forward to hearing how it all went! :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug :grouphug

[nostrow]

All,
sorry for all the typo's in my last message. I really can spell! I promise!:crying

[smeta]

I'm sorry you're feeling alone to KJ. I agree with mamar and nostrow - it is difficult to respond to everything, let alone have the time to respond at all!

What day is your EKG? I'll be thinking about you!

[kaje62]

the EKG is tomorrow.

Alright enough I feel loved.

Now thinking of others, SaraMama I want to cook for you cuz I feel your kitchen is tore apart. Do you want frozen pesto that you can use at your leisure or should I make you the whole sha bang with tofu and veggies and pasta pesto. Let me know.

[roarzilla]

Hey there! Another preggie here! I am SARAH:) and I live in SW Mpls. I have a DD Aurora and another DD due in June! I can't wait for spring so that I can get out of the house! Oh and I'm a SAHM!
SARAH:) Mom to Aurora 6/11/01 and Genevieve edd 6/29/03

[kaje62]

I woke up with a lot of chest congestion in the middle of the night. So I sure felt like crap today.

My doctor called me this morning. I was to have the EKG at 12:45 but cancelled yesterday because today was the only day the advocate and I could go out and see Maria. Anyway the doctor called and said I can squeeze you in this morning but I just don't see why the midwives are concerned. Every EKG is labeled borderline abnormal. What I recommend is for our consulting cardiologist look at it and we get back to you. But we can squeeze you in if you need peace of mind. I said you know I really don't feel well today and I have a lot going on so I would like to hold off for now. And I feel right about this unless the cardiologist sees things differently.

So I took two tylenol and we went out to Maria's which Charlie's nap was pretty much of a goner today. It was a pretty tender time. Her mom and her daughter were there as she had her stiches removed this morning and had a cat scan. She starts radiology on Monday. Anyway the advocate basically said to Maria whether you have 6 months or 35 years to live you need to figure out how you want to live. So basically it was intense to listen to Maria talk about her what she wants.

Anyway by the time I came home I was fried, sick, emotional, tired and Charlie would not nap. Anyway I sobbed on the phone to Spryte and she told me to get out my essential oils, have a cup of tea and put on my favorite music. So I had a piece of toast with peanut butter and made a cup of chai (thanks Ann) with caffeine, oh well and I put my lucious essential oil on that Elizabeth Fine made me with lavender, geranium, marjoram and ylang ylang. And that did not cut it so I rubbed my camphor muscle oil on my neck and shoulders and I feel anew. I know camphor is not the best oil for pregnancy but I did it twice with Charlie and I really needed it today.

Alright hope you are all okay. Sorry for being such a drag. KJ

[kaje62]

just read your post. Welcome Sarah. Wow three pregnant Sara(h)'s

[Starfire]

Wow, i leave for a week and so much is happing.

Welcome to all the new mama's :grouphug

Kaje, I hope everything goes well in your direction. You have had a lot to handle with your pregnancy and with your friend, the ekg, you are in my thoughts.

I am getting ready to move into my mothers house, so I can get more help with my new baby due in April, and rent out my house so i do not have to work this summer. :D . DP is so upset that i want to move in with her, but he has had nine months to find a job, save money, or even register for school and get grants and loans to cover payments. But no, I can deliver in as little as two weeks, and as far away as 7 weeks. Now he choses to argue over our move :confused:

Don't get me wrong, he has been a wonderful, wonderful stay at home dad. Minus he doesn't really clean or cook, but our kids are so happy to have him to wake up to, he drops them off at school and picks them up. And we have talked lightley on him staying home after this baby is born, but he doesn't have the attention span for three kids. he always imagines just the baby. Well sumer is ariving and the other two will be home! :eek

Anyways, I had a great vacation away from every one. Went to Seattle and spend a week with just my mom :D . Never in my 24 years of being here have I had her all to my self. :love . We laughed and cried, and laughed till we cried. Oh it was so good.

My baby is getting bigger. I actully think I might deliver close to my due date. I am already having the lower contractions, and my BH are about every two hours. With ds i had those every twenty minutes for three weeks :nod before he came out.

Ok i think this is gettng long, I will try and log on later and maybe write more.
Hope you all are having a great day!:grouphug :hearts :grouphug

[kaje62]

Starfire I meant to say this before you left. I sense an undertone of a little struggle with dp and I am sorry you are dealing with that. Hope it all smooths out soon.

Slept in till 9:00 today, usually up between 6:30 and 7:30 so I feel pretty good today. The sun is shining and I have a momma's helper coming around noon. She is so great, twelve years old.

I am going to Daughters and Sons, Imago Monday or so where they have onesies for $2.00 and union suits for $6.00. Mostly newborn and infant sizes. They are a great company, organic cotton, hemp etc...Anyone want me to get some for them? It is a by appointment only place.

[smeta]

We got the flue AGAIN:( Got it from my nanny family last Friday - I got there and nanny girl was sick and the mama said "I know the last thing you need is to get sick again, but are you ok with this?" What was I supposed to do, I was already there! So anyway, Cora puked all Sunday night, me on Monday and we've been feeling crummy all week. I hope the icky feeling goes away soon so I can get back to eating for this baby!

I started feeling the baby move a couple days ago!!:D

KJ - sorry you're having a hard time right now, but glad you didn't have to do the EKG!

Welcome back starfire!

Welcome Sarah!

[kaje62]

Smeta I am so sorry you girls are sick again. It ain't fair and I can't believe people. do you mind if I give you this illness. Go figure.

[e.Rishavy]

silly question ~

what do I do if I can't get to my midwife? Should I try to give birth at home? It dawned on me this weekend if I'm in labor there's no way I'll survie driving myself and almost 3yo to the midwife 40 - 55 minutes away!!

And I'm a little concerned with the whole problem I have with the "happy husband stich" the last doc performed. I'm so tight at the vag. opening that I'm already starting to bleed from minor tears in the skin.

I also have no clue as to what to do after I tear if I'm at home - we don't exactly have a sterile environment here, and I have one small box of bandages to speak of for first aid . . . um . . . lests just say I'm starting to get a little apprehensive about being out here in the toondocks (not an error, we're SW of Disney property on the corner of HWY 27 and HWY 192 - for thosse curious and having maps at hand . . . :wink )

I'm thinking I might be able to have a neighbor come and watch Inac for me as I labor in the tub - but even then I'd be all by myself - what do you do in a water birth situation? I have surgical scissors (a gift from SIL for crafts) - but towels?, afterbirth?, what do I do when there's no one else to help me give birth or hold on to my new little star?

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK! I'm not freaking out, I'm not panicing, I'm not holding my breath and sweating bullets, I'm just inside myself sreaming very quietly so not to rouse the suspicoin of the little spirit in me - I wouldn't want it to get a bad first impression of my mothering and life event handeling . .. . . . . .:D :help :exclaim :bolt :scared

of to drink some water and try to distract myself with the need to pee

[cattrane]

hey twin :love i have a friend with some great unassisted information, let me see if i can find some links for you :D for the tear, is it possible to start massaging the area daily with oil? or would that not help.... i really have no clue LOL

kaje glad to see you are hanging in there :)

all you other mamas ~ wishing health and sunshine on ya!

[e.Rishavy]

doula - thanks for looking for unassisted birthing info for me. and with the vag opening - it actually is partially blocked by the stiching done by the last doc. I've had 2 episeotomies (sp?) and the last was a doozie! since the birth of our son intercourse is painful and will be for the remainder of my life - the doc thought he was doing the thing that all husbands want, instant tightness after birth no waiting years for it to return. so anyway oil won't work in my case - I'm worried about the tearing and furture stitching I really can't bear the thought of not enjoying intercourse ever again! sorry.

again thanks for the thoughts info and prayers

[DoulaSarah]

Liz- I ended up with the happy husband stitch. I didn't have a name for it until just now though. I did tear with my second and she was 2 lbs smaller. You can do perineal massage now, although it isn't proven to help anything. I don't think that it hurts. Spontaneous pushing, or breathing your baby down will help. Waterbirth helps. If you tear, which BTW is fine, you don't have to have it stitched back up. Let it heal on its own. Just keep you legs closed. I felt that sex would hurt forever too! And wearing tampons even hurt. But letting your body heal on its own and ABSOLUTELY REFUSING!!! an episiotomy are two things that you can do. Comfrey root compresses are a must. I recommend a couple of books as a must have.

Herbs for the child bearing years Sally Weed
Spiritual midwifery - Ina May Gaskin

Comfrey you have to be careful with because it heals from the outside in. If your tear isn't deep, then that is fine to have on there. If it is deeper, sitz bathes are a must. They are a must either way. I can give you a recipe if you would like.
Another book is called "Unassisted homebirth". I am not sure who it is from. But spiritual midwifery has a lot of medical things in it that can help. Leave early to get to the midwife. Can she come to you. Can anyone drive you? I am sure that there is someone who can help. There are some basic things that you need to have as far as herbs and medical things. A bulb syringe. Towels. A hat for babe.

Anyhoo, that is all I can think of right now!! Happy birthing!

[cattrane]

*sigh* i can't find what i'm looking for, the site i was looking on crashes often with my very old browser :)

i second the book suggestions up there :D
and here's a site to briefly check out with links to others (haven't really read a lot on this so i don't know how good it is, other than the focus is support for unassisted-to-be mamas) unabirth (http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/articles.htm)

i haven't read a lot about 'what to do if' so can't help ya there, but i do know my next one will be unassisted. on the top of mt st helens, in my dreamlife :D

[kaje62]

I read somewhere recently that most pregnant models in magazine ads aren't even pregnant. They usually use belly pillows to make them look like they are pregnant. The designer they quoted said that it is because "pregnant women's skin doesn't photograph well and their bodies are soft and unattractive!" Can you believe that??

the above is from Smeta's and my August thread but I thought a few of you would find it interesting.

[smeta]

I didn't realize how true that model statement was (about not looking pg.) until two days ago when I got a "Babystyle" catalog in the mail. What a joke!! These women look about 2 days pg. I wanna see some big bellies!

[Starfire]

I read an article about the lady who makes Baby Phat clothes. (spelling my be way off) And she said she started making maternity cloths that actully used PG models to fit them and model them. She is also the designer for some other high fashion gear. But my little sis loves her stuff, and I think it is way to expensive, but I liked her article.

[Starfire]

Wow I just lost everything I had just written.

I am so looking forward to having this baby. I am going to start walking every other day again. My little sister, well the're both little, but the younger one is going through her baby's clothes, and i told her to save them because if I have a girl i will put her in them. She is a name brand girl, with no hand me downs.

And my older sis is in town for a couple days, and writes me a letter saying how I have not been happy in 2-3 years. Well shit no. Everytime the family gets together I here how every one is doing so bad, no one has money, yet they all go out to eat the next day, buy new tv's, dvd player's, and more clothes that are name brand for their babies. And then they get talking at me, how I should be running the place I work, why is my house so messy, I should make my DP move out, and after all the other deprssing things they say then they talk about how big I am. It is very true that with ds I never showed, and it is funny that I look pg, but then they get into guessing that i will have a 9-10 pound baby. :eek . My ds was 6 lbs 9 oz. (over two weeks late) I will be very suprized to have a 9 lb'er. Dp was 7lb's, and i was 7lb's.

Anyways, I just am having a hard time being at work, having to go home, my mother is out of town, and she normally mediates the sister stuff. And my family wonders why i do not visit. I tried for a while saying that I would visit if we could only have nice conversations. No talking about relationships, no talking about housing, food, or money. Well then no one had anything to say so no one showed up. Which was nice because then I talked to my mom for hours with out interuption.

Ok this is getting long, and I really should start getting ready for work.

Even if this sounds bad, I feel better writting it out. I thing I will have a good day. Thanks for reading it. :)

[kaje62]

I am sorry Starfire
You are doing great.
You are young and you own your home, I did not until I was 38 and that was with dh
You have a good job
Don't let them bring you down
I am glad you have a good relationship with your mom

[kaje62]

check this thread out and email Pat if interested. thanks

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44396

[kaje62]

Hey all how are you all doing. I am still fighting a bad cold. I wish we could keep this thread more busy cuz I think it could be a lot of fun. Come on, keep in touch and tell us how you are doing.

[smeta]

Hi all! I am healthy, although Cora has been dealing with major constipation issues. She won't walk much, so carrying her around is making me tired! She finally pooped tonight, after 8 days! Hopefully she'll be feeling better now.

DSarah - do you know how the doula hearing went on Thursday? I hope the bill passed!! How much do doulas typically cost? Do some insuance companies currently cover them? I would like to hire a doula, but still have to talk to dh about it.

Anyone know when you are supposed to stop sleeping on your back? I figure I probably should stop soon, but I know I'm gonna miss it!

Went for walks the past two days - it felt great, even though I am way out of shape!

[kaje62]

Hey Smeta first of all I really miss you. When can I see you like let's go walk around the lake and get mom's dairy on Wednesday. you have to order by Monday at 9:00 a.m. I finally finished off our ice cream, or we can meet at a Doula Meeting on a Thursday. I was thinking the other day how cool it is we are pregant together.

Anyway off your back at 20 weeks according to my midwifes so I have a couple weeks and you have three. I am jealous!

[kaje62]

Starfire sending you lotsa hugs.

I am having my level two ultrasound and first glucose test tomorrow. I guess they need to do it three times since Charlie weighed 9.15. Bummer!

[Starfire]

Thanks for the hugs!

I was fired last Thursday. But in all I think that was a good thing. I get to now appy for a bunch of stuff this week, and move on. I am actully looking forward to staying home and cleaning my house, and putting to how I want it. My DP got a job offer, and he will start nights this week!

I am on my weekly Dr. appt.

But I am using my moms comp and sis needs the phone. So I will try and write more later. But al in all I am doing good. And I might get free time to hand during the days!

Starfire

[smeta]

Glad you're doing good Starfire!

Good luck w/ the ultrasound tomorrow KJ. Are you going to find out the sex?

Had yoga class tonight, felt great. Still a little unsure about what I should or shouldn't do, but told the instructor I didn't feel comfortable doing anything that involved my belly a lot.

Cora slept almost 8 hours last night - first time ever! She's been doing 5-6 hrs. a couple times a week, so I'm glad her sleep is improving!!

[mamarsupial]

sarah - i've been taking yoga too and have two tips for you. first, bring a couple rolled up towels with you. for poses that you would normally be flat on your belly. you can place the towels under your hips and rib cage to help keep you belly up off the floor. second, switch to doing some poses, like downward dog, against the wall instead of inverted on the floor. this will give you a good stretch, but keep you from getting light headed.

for me, the best thing about yoga during a second pregnancy is the couple of hours of quiet that i get to think about this new baby. things are too hectic at home to be meditative about this new life. and hey, the stretching and excersize are great too!

[kaje62]

Hey all.

I had my ultrasound level two today and all looks good. When I went in with my age of 40 statistics say 1 in 90 babies born are downs but now that this went well it changes the numbers to 1 in 180 so I feel better and my sugar test was normal. So I am ready to celebrate Cha Cha tomorrow.

[mamarsupial]

yea, kj! sounds like a very good appt. you deserve it!

[kaje62]

tomorrow is the anniversary of my miscarriage in the year 2000, a day you never forget.

[kaje62]

Charlie gave up the pacifier on his 1st birthday literally.
He did not nurse yesterday, so if he is done, he gave it up on 2nd birthday.
Maybe he will let go of diapers on his 3rd birthday.

I was sad several weeks ago when he did not nurse for a day but it felt so abrupt and now I am ready. I actually love the snuggling etc without the nursing that Autumn described on the weekly thread. How is everyone? This thread is too quiet.

[mamarsupial]

:hug you have a lot to be thinking about today, kaje. i hear ya about the weaning. i'm ready but i'm not. i guess i just want to have my cake and eat it too...to have little to no nursing going on, but to still have it as an option for the days she is sick, or hurt, or whatnot. its not a relationship we can get back once it is gone, so that's why it makes me sad to think about it.

[kaje62]

actually there is a thread about nursing a weaned child

[nostrow]

Hello again momma's! I have been super busy at work lately but I've been trying to keep up with the goings on here. I really need to come to some of the meetings to meet some of you all. I need mommy friends! :D I'm glad that everyone seems to be doing well with their pregnancy. I haven't felt any movement yet but am waiting for the day. I have a really silly question for the rest of you (ok really, it's more of an embarassing question!:o ) do any of you find yourself drooling more in your sleep? I keep waking myself up and I feel like a teething child! :o OK, now that you all know my silly little secret! LOL I keep getting asked "how are you feeling" and actually I don't feel any different than before I was pregnant. All my ms is gone and I'm not quite as tired as I was. The only thing different is that my pants are starting to not fit! Oh, and my nose is ALWAYS stuffed up! But I've been enjoying the weather and I've managed to walk almost everyday! I've only gone about 8 blocks but still!. My dog has managed to lose .6 of a lb. (He's a little dog) So we are both pretty happy. My DH and I were doing yard work yesterday and my arms are so sore today I can hardly type. LOL I'm such a wuss! Well, I best get back to work. Have a great day!

Nikki

[kaje62]

I drool too lately but I thought it was from my cold. Not sure.

[e.Rishavy]

DROOL!!! yeah me too but thank goodness it is because of the pregnancy - all the mucus membranes fill with fluids while pregnant thus the tendancy to have runny noses, drool, frequent/larger amounts of discharge etc. At first i was so embarassed i didn't want my dh to wake before i had the chance to let the pillow dry in the am - but then memory kicked and i relaxed.

warning - vent ahead -

well - today was stressssssss full for me. the owner midwife of the birthing center i,m going to keeps pressing me to take Diflucan (an oral pill for yeast infections) anyway she can't get her mind nor insults off the subject!!!! anyway so I'm trying to find another midwife in my area.
Special Beginings would be great because the head midwife writes for fit pregnancy and she also has won national accolades for her birthing center. the only problem is getting to the mandated orientation (with my husband so he's aware of the program there) but they also require birthing classes (with a coach/dh in attendence) This is my third birth!!! I don't want classes on how to give birth!! And my husband is always working and could never make it to a class with me. Plus children are not welcome in the facility unless you are giving birth or have an ob visit. so class & orientation are out of the question with us not able to bring Inac!!
arrrrrrrgggggggg!!!!

I'm being forced to give birth in a hospital again and that's not what I want ever again!!!!!!!!!!I've been holding back tears and screams about the whole thing all day. Cause Inac's been really stressed about Jack not being around at all anymore. All of his time off is spent trying to earn a living in the mortgage business -

anyway jack is too stressed and barely comfortable with having our babe at a birthing center rather than a hospital so the homebirth thign is out of the question. when I even talk to him about preparing for a possible unassisted birth (since the midwives are 40 - 90mins away [depending on traffic]) he gets so upset he yells at me and accuses me of forcing him into letting me have a home birth - - - tears oh tears how I long for your streams of comforting warmth. to rend my heart would be nothing to the anguish and dispairity of solidute! if only my husband my love my friend could be with me again - I miss him so -

- - - - - - on top of everything the midwife informed me the the external uterine measurements that they've taken have been two weeks under where they should be. so a sonogram is going to be necessary if in two weeks the measurements aren't upto speed. inorder to determine that the babe doesn't have stunted growth. they babe is active but i've always wondered about it's development because of the inferquency with which i've taken tthe vitamins i have (which are childrens rather than prenatals - cost and ability to keep them down are the main factor in that)
anyway it's given me just a roller coaster day to deal with.

I've had no one to talk to about his all day and really needed some one who knows me to at least read about how $@%$ it's been. thnks for letting me rant - I miss MN because of you gals - and the wedge - and the wealth of doulas, midwives and other naturopath sympothetic docs there!! FL sucks withany regard to medicine!!! they're even closing the only level 1 trauma center in Central FL because they don't want to pay malpractice insurance. so now if you have a life threatinging injury or situation you have to be flown to Tampa or Jacksonville or Miami!!! that's another thing for another day - off to see what the oter news of the weekend has been.

love from the tooondocks - Lizzie

[kaje62]

hey Liz first of all awhile ago you posted that you were afraid to be alone when you go in labor. Is that because Jack works far away?

Anyway I wanted to tell you that I took diflucan when I was nursing Charlie cuz they thought I had thrush and then it turned out I did not. I was really bummed. Anyway even though it is given to aids patients, it is an antifungal, it is suppose to be safe for both nursing and pregnancy.

Wanted to make sure you all know that we have not nursed in 5 days. Wednesday will be one week. Can't believe it.

[kaje62]

Went to my prenatal today.
All was well except
My midwife told me Charlie was 9.15 that a VBAC might be even harder for me cuz 2nd babies are usually bigger. depressing.
Lost another two pounds but they are not worried.
Happens with bigger girls often.
Anyway Liz I get to join you.
I have a yeast infection. GRRR!!!!! I thought my underwear were rubbing like too small or something. Dang!

[e.Rishavy]

Just to let any one know- the second paragraph contains some "way too personal" for those who would rather not read it - I try to warn people now as I have offended a great many people here in FL with my candid discussions on bodily functions and assorted topics on birth/nursing.

Hi KJ I'm glad that you and the new babe are healthy and strong! Iisn't weaning so bitter sweet?! I really miss my calming and comforting abilities. Now I'm finding myself as frustrated as Inac in trying to help him express his sadness/frustration with being weaned. He seems to be in turmiol alot lately - seperation anxiety I think- not only because of the weaning but because Jack is gone alot! and then my midwives don't want me to lift/carry Inac anymore so he's loosing mommy in more than one way! I just wish I could nurse Inac and make it all better but I can't start up again. I need to offer some type of consistancy in all the changes happening now.

As for the yeast issue with me - I have "chronic" yeast. I've had yeast infections and other bacterial vaginosis issues all my life, since birth. My mother and other female relatives also tend to have higher counts of bacteria through out their lives. I think it is a genetic predisposition to having the perfect environment for it all. Anyway,I've invoked a lifesytle and diet change. I now take a daily regiment of lacto-acid organisims (acidophillous, etc) and I restric my refined sugar intake. Also increasing my water intake to a normal level helped greatly. And when I do have resurgances
of candidias I use scored garlic cloves / tampons diped ind yogurt to take care of it.

I would never take Diflucan because the issuses with my body would not be resolved. If I did not have the normally high count then I might take it on the condition that I am not pregnant. The pregnancy is a sticking issue for me too, the babe gets the medication in the blood stream. And anit-fungal meds weaken/destroy the fetus' ability to have normal bodily functions.

gotta go Inac has been so patient already - but his patience just ran out!

[smeta]

Hi fellow preggo mamas :)

KJ - glad the appt. was good. Do you think they'll end up doing an w/s at full-term to determine if you should VBAC or not? How would they decide I wonder? It kinda bothers me when they start guessing the weight. My midwives were certain Cora was only 6.5-7 lbs., boy were they shocked when she weighed in at 8.1! At my last appt. they are already saying my uterus measurement seems small for my supposed due date. I'm sure it will catch up! Have my next appt. tomorrow!

Autumn - do you do yoga poses/moves that involve your belly muscles a lot? I feel weird about doing stuff like that. I have never done "Dolphin" before, but my instructor had the class do it the other night and I decided not to b/c it seemed very stomachy. I also don't do upward dog or plank (but do it on my knees).

I love all this sun and warmth!!

[kaje62]

Liz I never explained this but my yeast infection is on my thighs not inside if that makes since but it is still a bummer. It is almost cleared up though. When I took diflucan the yeast was under my arm pits. I guess yeast can grow anywhere nice and warm.

Okay local mamas, anyone want to go to the collective tonite????

[mamarsupial]

had our second prenatal today. baby is pumping away at 160 bpm. e got to hear it and her own heartbeat with the doptone. very cool.

sarah - i have been doing belly poses up until now, but i think tonight will be the first night i don't. i may try bringing some rolled up towels to put under my hips and ribcage to help keep my belly of the floor. i still try to do full plank, since i like the strength work in my arms, but lately i've felt like i didn't have the energy to hold it for too long. there are two other pregnant moms in my class who have bigger bellies than me, so i've been keeping an on what they have done in various poses. i'll keep you posted if i see anything interesting/helpful.

[smeta]

As always, would love to go to the collective mtg., but we had a long day and dh just got back from out-of-town. One of these weeks I'll make it!

mamar - I asked my midwife today about using stomach muscles in yoga. She said it is best to avoid it b/c off all the work they are going to have to do later on. Better to take it easy than do something you're not sure about.

[kaje62]

am i crazy?
I just nursed him for 20 minutes
can't believe we still have milk

[smeta]

wow. who knows, maybe you do. Hard to believe after a week of weaning! Maybe he'll just nurse once a week.

I've been asking Cora if there's milk and she always says yes. I think there's not much though! Probably won't last too much longer.

[kaje62]

I am surprised how much milk I still have. :)

[e.Rishavy]

I actually couldn't get milk out for the past month - then this week clostrom has come in so . . . i guess if i start leaking again that will blow my excuse to Inac that the milk won't come out again until the baby's born. oops!

last night and the night before it took an hour of holding and singing to get hiim to sleep. but rocking back and forth for an hour while standing (w/ syatica) is not really an option for much longer. My pain threshold is high when it comes to my babes - but i'm thinking about the long run - I'm going to be a hunched over haggard thirty year old when the time comes!

anyway last night I broke down and let him fall asleep while holding onto the breast under my shirt. it stopped his crying right away and 15min later I woke up so I could go cook my dh some food.

it's starting to worry me that in 8 weekends or so I'll have two babeis to look after and care for . . . braxton-hicks are a good daily reminder of what's coming but man it's gonna hit me like a ton of bricks that - I, liz rishavy, will be a mother of two (technically three - 1 given in adoption) - I'm just feeling a little immature to be responsible for the raising of two indepenent little souls.

well I'll probably just be more-than-partially-amnesiatic for the next 10 years while days melt and become one huge jump in time.

[Starfire]

Well no baby yet!

But it is sitting so low. I was looking at pictures of pregnant women, and noticed I do not have that indent anymore at the bottom of my belly. Came over to my moms, and she said "thats because that is head that you are looking at." So this baby is down there. I was joking with her, that if I jumped on the bed would it come out? She did not find it to funny. But I am ready.

I lost me job, so I do not check e-mail, or the boards very often at all. But I will have "Mama in the Boonies" post when I have the baby. Just wanted to get every one some warning, so when they see her name, they know who she is talking about.

Well, I hope every one is doing well. I did not have time to read to latest posts. Sorry.

Starfire

[kaje62]

Hey all I have some preggie clothes of Browneyed that she asked me to sell since she knows I have a salesy personality. Anyway there are sizes M to XL and their are brands Target, Motherhood, Mimi and Pea in a Pod. So cheap as $2.00 for an item or at the most $9.00. Great deals and beautiful clothes. Let me know if you want to see them and Starfire you go girl.

[smeta]

KJ - I will check out those clothes next time I see you. Just wasn't in the mood and didn't have time last week.

Liz - I know what you mean about getting freaked out about having two kids to be a mama to. When we're having a bad day I feel like I am crazy for wanting another!

starfire - start jumping if you get anxious! hehe! We have a trampoline if you want to come over!

I've been asking Cora if there's any milk once in awhile and she always says yes. Today she started nursing, then stopped and pointed to my nipple and said "Milk all gone" (although she says "cock" for milk!!). Then she switched sides and when she was done she said she got some.

I have another cold - we've been having such a hard time staying healthy. I feel like I have had no immunity to anything since I've been pregnant. It's so frustrating!

[kaje62]

Anyone want to meet at Hiawatha Y today. They have a great wading pool with fountains etc..My brakes are out on the car so we are getting dropped off there around 10:30 or so. I have guest passes.

[kaje62]

anyone want to go the the mpls childbirth collective meeting Thursday night???

[kaje62]

I can feel the babe move for like three days for sure.
I think I felt the babe for like two weeks but was not sure?
Smeta are you sleeping on the leftside. The leftside alarm went off.

[smeta]

Cool KJ!! Mine's moving around tons lately!

Are we supposed to sleep on the right or left? I thought it was on the right, but I have been in the habit of sleeping on my left lately. I am supposed to stop sleeping on my back this week :crying !

[nostrow]

Happy Wednesday Momma's! I'm so envious of you who have felt movement. I'm not feeling anything yet. I was telling my husband that I don't "feel" pregnant anymore. The ms is gone (thankfully) and the super sensative nose and breasts are gone as well. So, I'm super excited for the day when I finally get to feel my babe move. KJ - I very much am going to try to make it tonight to the meeting. I don't know if I can get husband to join me but I may go myself nontheless. That's usually my sleepytime though! Oh, we had our US and were able to see the babe!:love Sometimes I couldn't make heads nor tails out of it but we do have a cute picture that looks like the babe is sitting in a hammock (that's my baby!). Well, back to work. Hope everyone is healthy and happy.

Here's to wishing the sun comes back soon!

Nikki

[kaje62]

Smeta left preferably but right is okay midwife says. Actually midwife says back is fine if you put a pillow under your hip to slant you a bit to the left. Like you are going to do that in your sleep.

Nostrow, wah! I want to meet you but I am now doing dinner with Symbiosis tonite. Sorry, how about next week? I know doulasarah will be there no matter what.

[smeta]

how are all you pregnant MN ladies doing?

i'm having lots of ligament pains the past couple days, but other than that everything's good!

[e.Rishavy]

het gals! I wanted to let you know a great friend of mine is going to be checking you guys out! She's in her 6mo and would like some kindred spirits and advice on where and who to deliver. I can't wait for you all to meet her! She's really awesome!!!

As for me my midwife worries are over! I've switched groups and am soooooooooooooooooo much happier! And even thought it's 100miles round trip to the birthing center it's bigger, cleaner and friendlier. Anyway, I'm not really wanting to give the baby up yet (I want baby and me time - which we only have while I should be sleeping but stay I awake to commune with my bouncing babe)

last night I had a dream that Jack, Inac and I were sitting in the window of a 3rd floor apt somewhere like Stevens Square but more of an east coast vermont feel to it. It was summer but there were fall leaves (i love & miss them tons) and the sun was shining throught the window. I looked down and watched as my womb became transparent in the sunlight. we had a toddler-sized baby girl. she wasn't completely developed yet - her shins and feet were covered by shreds of skin but mostly exposed and other signs of immature development. Anyway our son came over to look and he strated to crawl under my back thus looking as if he were in the womb beside her. as I told him to please come back out she roused and followed Inac out of the womb. I held her and tears of joy and love streamed out in the beautiful moment of her joining our family. I then tried to figure out how to take care of her first I tried to nurse but she couldn't yet - then I woke -

I think I'm having a girl and her name is Avia Catherine Rishavy but I could be wrong - I just wanted to share a strange but beautiful dream about this babe I haven't had the luxury of getting to know invitero. KWIM?

Hope all is well for everyone else.

[kaje62]

liz that is pretty groovy.

anyway check out this thread.

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44400

you might want to contact this gal.

[kaje62]

Hey all.

The ritual today was good. Here is info on the next. It would be good to have some more of you there.

Transforming
The Birth Journey


Saturday, May 3rd
4:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m.
Potluck
Suggested Sliding Fee $35.00 - $65.00

5899 W. Branch Rd.
Minnetrista Farm
612.325.9941
Directions or Info

Circle with other women to
share, prepare, dream and source your desires
for the birth journey.

Circle Facilitator

Teresa Riley Baecker
Spiritual Creative ~ Doula ~ Wife ~ Mother ~ Teacher ~ Traditional Healer ~ Artist ~ Dancer ~ Educator

Liz her story of her second birth made me think of you quite a bit as she had an unassisted birth at home.

[nostrow]

Ladies! I've missed you all lately. I have been very 'out of it' lately and kind of cranky and I don't know why. I do know that I hadn't been checking into the boards as often as I was. I think I was missing my momma's! :p Even though I have not been able to meet any of you in person, I feel like I've know you a while and was missing out on all the goings on. I'm so sad for all the illness, sickness and other bleckies going around. I hope that everyone is doing well. I have been a little blah lately. I still haven't felt any movement and I have been having a terrible time sleeping. My hips go numb! Ugh. What is going on with the snow/sleety rain????? I know we need the moisture but come on!

Is anyone going to the St. Paul meeting tonight? I'm going to go (I think).

I need some suggestions for foods. I've been on a major junk food binge the last couple of weeks (which I'm sure has NOTHING to do with my crappy mood!:o ) I need to start making good food. HELP.

Well, enough blubbering. Love to you all..

Nikki:Kiss

[kaje62]

Oh Nikki I hope you feel better soon!!!

Only idea I have for food is comfort foods if you feel blah, like for me that would be rice dishes, pastas, soups, oatmeal, yogurt and hot tea. I am sure some of the other mamas may have some good ideas. I am not going tonite and there is no MPLS meeting tomorrow night. I do believe Autumn R. who is a non poster but a great mama will be there tonite. You can look for her.

Anyway hang in there and I have had a hard hard day. Huge wound on my shoulder from my little guy who bit me as I put him in the cart today at Whole Foods. OW!!! Now he is a sleeping angel so all is well. And I have a dinner date with an old friend tonite.

By the way my hips hurt too.

Anyway PM me I would love to get together soon!!

[smeta]

One of my favorite comfort foods is scrambled eggs. Easy enough too.

Sorry to hear about the bite KJ! Cora's been having major tantrums all week long. Not sure what's going on w/ her, but hope it doesn't last too long.

My belly has suddenly gotten huge (so says my mom!). It's weird when it finally happens after waiting for it to. So anyway, that makes me feel very pregnant.

I had a good talk with dh about having a homebirth the other day, but it still seems like an unlikely possibility. I just can't get the idea of it out of my head.

Hope all the achy hips feel better. My tailbone is driving me nuts!

[rgarlough]

I'm so sorry I've been skipping my posts here ladies! I've been so preoccupied with this whole "me" attitude lately that really is a magnification of my introverted personality... :confused: Did that make any sense? Basically, I've been really wrapped up in myself :rolleyes: This pregnancy really has been such a joy for me.

Glad to read that everyone's doing well. Hope all the little munchkins are giving you much pleasure and joy! My little wiggler is really coming along. I have reached my 30th week and the whole idea of 10 weeks to go really has me thinking more and more about being a FT mommy. I'm guessing all these thoughts and concerns are normal...

I've been dying to get to SG on Saturdays but getting my time with dh and his kids has been more and more challenging to meet. But I need ME time too. Especially time with other round mommas :p This Sat we do not have the kids and I'm hoping to get some free time/me time.

Say some prayers and hopefully I'll make it to SG!

[e.Rishavy]

I must apologize for my inferiquent(sp) but persistant posting to my home away from home in MN. I miss you gals, your support and your personallities! I guess I'm finnicky - I've found a few friends but we all live so far apart from each other that we never bother to get together. and then most of us who have toddlers - it becomes an issue of who will my child "play nice" with.

anyway went in for my (7min) 35wk check in. Coming out I realized how unnecessary it was to have constant pelvic and hemagolbin checks. I wasn't "high" risk my mother has a history of toximia and preeclampsia but that had to do with her various uterine cancers and other physiological problems that led to "problem" pregnancies. Anyway, I'm so much more educated about what is happening and why, by going to our new midwife group! They've offered up so many "secrets" that my OB/GYN group (Haislet, Hill, Wavrin, Wright and Lehrman) always tried to just skate around by telling me I was just nervous because it was my first baby. It wasn't. They knew that, but it was the first child my husband and I had. Anyway, the OB/GYN "profession" is such a money making machine it no longer takes into account the impact it will have on the lives it practices ON!

sorry - I could rant on but I realized my sleep deprivation is making this a little incoherant and somethings else - oh yeah boring. I always seem to be ranting about something - huh?!:soapbox :soapbox :blah :blah :soapbox :duh :blah :soapbox :tomato

my little bean is doing quite well - jumpy and full of hiccups (get those lungs and diaphragm workin'!) nipples are itchy to no end!!! I'm almost sure it's because I weaned Inac - had I not they'd still be in "full use" but I'm having so much "fun" with my elevated libido - I was made this way for a reason! MY babes won't come unless we help it along with a little olde-fashion "induction".

Hey KJ don't let them break your waters (amnio sac)!!!! If they do they have to deliver within 12-16hrs depending on the state you live in. This is one of the reason so many "emergencey" C-Sects are performed. Docs want to force the babe out so the break the water bag and that is no gaurantee that the labor will "progress" fast enough for them! Anyway everytime I go to my Midwife group I think of you!!! They are such educated and kind women! Anyway I worry that the docs in MN will force you into an unnecessarily harmful situation! Just know that wihtout even trying your in my thoughts and prayers everyday and night! I realized that today - that is, that you have been in my heart and I've seriuosly wanted your pregnancy and laboring to be wholesome and wonderful, I want for you to feel the empowerment of thousands of generations of women haven given birth ending in us and continuing in our daughters (if we have them)! Anyway - in my odd way - just letting you know I'm thinking about you alot!

[kaje62]

You are so sweet Liz. Your post made me cry. It means a lot to have someone in Florida thinking of me. Hey did you get the baptismal gown thing figured out?

I think I have my doula figured out and I think that will help a lot. I hate to admit it but she was so polished and had her make up perfect etc..that it made me not want her as my doula. I kept thinking I want someone more earthy but then I got this email from her.

Dear Kathy, Don't worry about kegels and don't worry about the ball (it doesn't make much difference at this point.) Cesarean and breech babies can be very much the luck of the draw and no matter what you would have done, it wouldn't have affected the outcome. How you see this new birth can very much change the path of your birth. I really hope that some of your feelings, and processing can be done before the time comes, as I believe that it could make enough of a difference this time, cesarean or not. I don't need to have you choose me as your doula (if you want another set of hands and comfort from a woman, friend, not hired doula, who has been there that is ok too) but I really would like to get together, you and me, (woman to woman, cesarean mom to cesarean mom, vbac mom to vbac mom), and talk about your past birth, and get out some of the feelings that I sense need to be out. Talk about you fears, and hopes, and worries, so that you go into this new experience with a sense of resolve, and peace. For yourself and your new baby. I want you to go into this with a still mind, that no matter how this baby is born you will be at peace with the birth, your body (which is marvelous to grow these beautiful babies and to nourish and comfort them even after they are born!!!!!,) and your baby. Please call or email so we can try to arrange a time to talk more about this. And I realized it was just a defense for me looking at her exterior. I can be such a goon!!! Anyway I think I will sign up with her soon. And I feel like her email to me is about what you said in your post. On the 3rd Autumn Rainy's mom and I are doing another healing ritual with my friend Teresa. The last one was great.

Transforming The Birth Journey
Saturday, May 3rd, 4:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m. Potluck
Suggested Sliding Fee $35.00 - $65.00
5899 W. Branch Rd. Minnetrista Farm
612.325.9941 Directions or Info
Circle with other women to share, prepare, dream and source your desires for the birth journey.
Circle Facilitator, Teresa Riley Baecker
Spiritual Creative ~ Doula ~ Wife ~ Mother ~ Teacher ~ Traditional Healer ~ Artist ~ Dancer ~ Educator

So anyone else want to go to this??? It is the same day as SaraMama's blessingway. So we will be having some good energy going on that day!!!

My babe is busy too. Kicking a lot etc. DH has only felt the babe once though.

[kaje62]

new thread for us

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/showthread.php?s=&postid=671244#post671244