by Michael Savage. Anyone read it? Care to discuss it?

Ugh, I HATE Michael Savage.

We can't curse or call names or cast aspersion on this board, so I can not express my opinions clearly on this subject.

I don't think a discussion of this :censored piece of :censored belongs on a gentle parenting board.

Judging by the name of the title I dont think that I would enjoy it very much! :tsk

well even though I totally disagreed with th book "Bottlefeeding without Guilt" I still read it, because I like to know what the other side is up to ;)

We can't curse or call names or cast aspersion on this board, so I can not express my opinions clearly on this subject.

I don't think a discussion of this :censored piece of :censored belongs on a gentle parenting board.

What is in opposition to gentle parenting about this book, darylll? I didn't see anything anit gentle parenting in his book.

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I feel like with the country we live in today we liberals a few and far between. MDC seems more of a safe space to get around the derogatory comments about liberals.
Seeing the title of this book personally rubbed me the wrong way.
And mental disorder is not a derogatory definition but in such a title it is.

We can't curse or call names or cast aspersion on this board, so I can not express my opinions clearly on this subject.

I don't think a discussion of this :censored piece of :censored belongs on a gentle parenting board.

what about jenny mccarthy and her book about with circ? Darylll, there are always going to be thing we disagree with...

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I feel like with the country we live in today we liberals a few and far between. MDC seems more of a safe space to get around the derogatory comments about liberals.
Seeing the title of this book personally rubbed me the wrong way.
And mental disorder is not a derogatory definition but in such a title it is.

well thats the title of his book...maybe you should read it and see how he defines liberal. you might be surprised. Hes is definitely not a bush supporter like sean hannity.

Ill keep a watch on this thread.
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An independent-minded individualist, Michael Savage fits no stereotype. He attacks big government and liberal media bias, but champions the environment and animal rights.


from his website...

Liberal bias? You mean like FOX news? The Wall Street Journal? Michael Savage is just plain mean and rude. I don't give him much credit for thoughtful discourse on the state of the country or the government. No way in hell I will give him any of my money by reading his screed.

I've read parts of his book The evil Within....or something to that name. He has some good points imo, however I would never endorse his type of hateful rhetoric.

I like reading material and knowing about the "other side". To be well established in your views, I believe it helps to be knowledgeable of others views, whether you agree with them or not.

Liberal bias? You mean like FOX news? The Wall Street Journal? Michael Savage is just plain mean and rude. I don't give him much credit for thoughtful discourse on the state of the country or the government. No way in hell I will give him any of my money by reading his screed.

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Well, when a guy calls a gay caller a sausage and a sodomite and says all sodomites should "get AIDS and die" on his new syndicated MSNBC talk show, then to have his show yanked, he kinda doesn't fit in with gentle living of any kind.

Altho this is the kind of drivel he gets away with spewing on the radio every day, along with hateful anti-Muslim, anti-woman and anti-atheist flag-waving rhetoric. I understand he is also armed with a gun at all times.

His idea of an orgasm? Carpet bomb the Middle East. His take on the Abu Ghraib torture? A harmless prank. He kinda makes Rush Limbaugh look liberal.

Need I go on?

Well, when a guy calls a gay caller a sausage and a sodomite and says all sodomites should "get AIDS and die" on his new syndicated MSNBC talk show, then to have his show yanked, he kinda doesn't fit in with gentle living of any kind.

Altho this is the kind of drivel he gets away with spewing on the radio every day, along with hateful anti-Muslim, anti-woman and anti-atheist flag-waving rhetoric. I understand he is also armed with a gun at all times.

His idea of an orgasm? Carpet bomb the Middle East. His take on the Abu Ghraib torture? A harmless prank. He kinda makes Rush Limbaugh look liberal.

Need I go on?

I'd be interested in seeing links for this...I didn't see anything like that in this book.

I'd be interested in seeing links for this...I didn't see anything like that in this book.

So you don't listen to him on the radio, then?

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/05/20/savage/index.html?pn=1

So you don't listen to him on the radio, then?

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/05/20/savage/index.html?pn=1

yes, I have listened to him occasionally...I have never heard wha you mentioned above. If I heard what you claim he said, of course I would turn it off.

Of course you would turn him off? How should we know that? Many people listen to and agree with his hatred.

I notice that article is from 2 years ago. So, no, I was not listening to him 2 years ago. I haven't heard anything like that out of him ever. I agree, that is shocking. Maybe he's changed...do you have anything more recent?

Of course you would turn him off? How should we know that? Many people listen to and agree with his hatred.

well, I just said I would.

Of course you would turn him off? How should we know that? Many people listen to and agree with his hatred.

He had a lot of really positive things to say about homeschooling one time when I was listening to him.

well, I just said I would.

My point is you can't say of course like we should all know that.

My point is you can't say of course like we should all know that.


okay.

He had a lot of really positive things to say about homeschooling one time when I was listening to him.

There are a lot of extreme nut-cases who advocate homeschooling. Dr. Laura comes to mind offhand.

I think this thread is mean spirited. I hope this isn't what Mothering is all about. I enjoy reading Mothering Magazine, and I love peggy O'Mara, I think labeling liberals as mentally ill is just inappropriate.

What sort of protection do liberals have here? I want to know because I wouldn't let my Kindergartener say something so unkind and offensive.

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What does hsing have to do with the book?

I think this thread is mean spirited. I hope this isn't what Mothering is all about. I enjoy reading Mothering Magazine, and I love peggy O'Mara, I think labeling liberals as mentally ill is just inappropriate.

What sort of protection do liberals have here? I want to know because I wouldn't let my Kindergartener say something so unkind and offensive.

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I'm so sorry you are worried.

I suggest you stick around a bit and get to know more members at MDC. I do not believe the thread title is a fair representation of the ideals and values MDC embraces. There is a diverse membership here and I think, in time, you will find some good forums and posters to connect with. That certainly won't be everyone.

Welcome to MDC :)

I think this thread is mean spirited. I hope this isn't what Mothering is all about. I enjoy reading Mothering Magazine, and I love peggy O'Mara, I think labeling liberals as mentally ill is just inappropriate.

What sort of protection do liberals have here? I want to know because I wouldn't let my Kindergartener say something so unkind and offensive.

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I think you may not have understood the thread. (Did you read the whole thread?) Liberalism is a Mental Disorder is the title of a book by Michael Savage. For the most part the posts in this thread have criticized him. So in a roundabout way this thread is pro-liberal. Hope that helps.

I appriciate the objectios, but it also seems as though Michael Savage has some support here.

I hope liberals aren't fair game :(

Ok...This dude dosent sound like my cup of tea at all..:tsk

I used to listen to the Savage Beast out of morbid fascination. The guy has some wacky ideas. I wrote an article about him one time. If I ever find it, I'll post it here. It's pretty funny. I find it funny that he's based out of SF, of all places for someone of his opinions.

This thread seems to be pretty off topic. I think the purpose was to discuss a book . . .

To get back on topic... I have not read this book- nor would I. I do not read books written by hate mongering, homophobic, rhetoric spewing horse's patooties.


As a rule. :mischief:

To get back on topic... I have not read this book- nor would I. I do not read books written by hate mongering, homophobic, rhetoric spewing horse's patooties.


As a rule. :mischief:
Yup, big ditto to this! It doesn't sound like the type of book I'd want to expose myself to, for both spiritual/religious reasons, heart health reasons and intellectual reasons. Why waste time with such rubbish?

It's bad enough that I wasted two days of my life reading 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America (And Al Franken Is #37) by Bernard Goldberg. What a donkey's butt.

numom, I think you knew exactly what response your post was going to get. Why act surprised? It's like going to a republican website and saying 'hey, I'm writing an essay about how conservatives are mentally imcompetent - what do you think?' You already know that most people here are liberals and will defend their choice. I'm not sure what your aim in posting this was, except to stir up a little trouble. It's not like you didn't know a calm, happy discourse about the book wasn't going to happen.

I love message boards- especially this one. I have been here forever... but I get so tired of people posting things, that they KNOW will cause an uproar, & then batting their eyelashes in confusion... "Me? I didn't do that..."

I am pro life, but I have enough brains to know that most of the posters here are pro choice, so I do not start threads trying to drum up support for the cause...

The most important lesson one can learn about posting on a message board is: "Remember Where You Are." This does not mean to hide your true self, or to lie about your convictions- just have some courtesy for the majority of the members. I do not post on conservative, non AP boards, & there is a reason for that...

It's bad enough that I wasted two days of my life reading 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America (And Al Franken Is #37) by Bernard Goldberg. What a donkey's butt.

Wow, a title like that and it wasn't good? Go figure! :lol ;)

This thread seems to be pretty off topic. I think the purpose was to discuss a book . . .

Actually, I believe it is quite common, in book discussions in libraries and universities, to discuss biographical information about an author, as well as how his previous "work" compares to the book under discussion.

Why doesn't the OP give us a little review of Liberalism is a Mental Disorder and her opinion of why she thinks this book is important to attempt to discuss? It's obvious few if anyone here has read it. If she thinks it is good enough to start a thread about on a mostly liberal website, perhaps she'd like to tell us why.

B/c frankly, as a liberal, I am taking the title of the book a wee bit personally. Saying: liberalism is a mental disorder is just a tick away from saying liberals have mental problems and that would be against the UA as "casting aspersion."

Thank you for clarifying for me.

I think whatevr motivated to write the title to this thread, the thing that we see when we click into "Books, Music, and Other Media" is *seen*.

And FELT by people.

As a liberal, coming from a long line of Irish Catholic liberals on my mother's side of the family, I felt defensive.

As I said, I love Mothering Magazine and always wanted to be part of a community of parents who all read hip 'zines like Mothering.

well even though I totally disagreed with th book "Bottlefeeding without Guilt" I still read it, because I like to know what the other side is up to ;)

I bottlefed my first and breastfed my second, and that bitter, angry woman did not speak for me or my experience. Back to your regularly scheduled thread...

Actually, I believe it is quite common, in book discussions in libraries and universities, to discuss biographical information about an author, as well as how his previous "work" compares to the book under discussion.

Why doesn't the OP give us a little review of Liberalism is a Mental Disorder and her opinion of why she thinks this book is important to attempt to discuss? It's obvious few if anyone here has read it. If she thinks it is good enough to start a thread about on a mostly liberal website, perhaps she'd like to tell us why.

B/c frankly, as a liberal, I am taking the title of the book a wee bit personally. Saying: liberalism is a mental disorder is just a tick away from saying liberals have mental problems and that would be against the UA as "casting aspersion."

I thought that was the idea behind starting a book thread? Sharing your experience of the book, why others would enjoy it and why you think it's 'good'. I don't have enough reading time to read things that are so obviously go against my ideals or experience, "to know what the other side is up to." :eyesroll

numom, I think you knew exactly what response your post was going to get. Why act surprised? It's like going to a republican website and saying 'hey, I'm writing an essay about how conservatives are mentally imcompetent - what do you think?' You already know that most people here are liberals and will defend their choice. I'm not sure what your aim in posting this was, except to stir up a little trouble. It's not like you didn't know a calm, happy discourse about the book wasn't going to happen.

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I agree with DaryLLL. I was an English and History major in UNiversity. In both disciplines, any book discussed was discussed in context of the time and of the author and his life and his biases. Seems par for the course.

I resent name calling, I dislike generalizing, spreading hate and a mean attitude, and I REALLY hate people making nasty racist comments on the air and being applauded as "good Americans." (though that was Limbaugh)

I dislike all of the "Shock Jocks" who vomit nastiness into their microphones and spread hate like a disease.

It does not really suit a gentle parenting board BECAUSE of the nastiness being applauded, gentle parenting doesn't just mean you are nice to your child, they will still see you make a bad example being nasty elsewhere. It is a lifestyle choice and shock jocks and "hate the other guy" sort of attitude doesn't fit into that.

I completely understand being angry or upset about important issues but a general nasty attitude all of the time I am not going to listen to.

I would certainly not buy a book from such a person. I am a book whore but I don't support such attitudes.

I resent name calling, I dislike generalizing, spreading hate and a mean attitude, and I REALLY hate people making nasty racist comments on the air and being applauded as "good Americans." (though that was Limbaugh)
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I would certainly not buy a book from such a person. I am a book whore but I don't support such attitudes.

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I certainly won't be checking this one out, esp after reading his website.

Well said Abimommy :)

....The most important lesson one can learn about posting on a message board is: "Remember Where You Are." This does not mean to hide your true self, or to lie about your convictions- just have some courtesy for the majority of the members. ...

Very much like "Know Your Audience", the first "rule" of writing that my 7th grade english teacher wrote on the blackboard.

On the topic of the OP, I picked up the book in the bookstore, opened it at random a couple of times, read a few pages (I read fast) and shuddered and went on to something else. I think I came out of the bookstore that day with the Angela Davis Interview Book, Abolition Democracy: Beyond Prisons, Torture, and Empire. (...which was very interesting and well-written, by the way.)

It does not really suit a gentle parenting board BECAUSE of the nastiness being applauded, gentle parenting doesn't just mean you are nice to your child, they will still see you make a bad example being nasty elsewhere. It is a lifestyle choice and shock jocks and "hate the other guy" sort of attitude doesn't fit into that.


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yes, I have listened to him occasionally...I have never heard wha you mentioned above. If I heard what you claim he said, of course I would turn it off.

But you just said you "like to know what the other side is up to", so why wouldn't you keep listening. According to you, even if you disagree with his hate speeches, you should still listen. :confused: :scratch

Have I been living under a rock? I don't even know who this guy is...From what I understand, I'm better off?

It has nothing to do with gentle living.

Hate mongering, I'd say.

I think, considering the limit to our time, we could do well to avoid people who try to paint such a large group of people with such a broad and unflattering brush.

Okay, I am a dyed-in-the-wool democrat, from a long line of the same.

That being said, I think it is absolutely imperitive that I do my best to see things from "the other side". I have been fortunate enough to have many intense, thoughtful, sometimes in credibly infuriating yet informative discussions with friends, neighbors and relations who are staunchly conservative (politically, not socially. I won't engage in discussion with people who demonize others) and I have to say I've really benefitted from those talks. It's made me see things from a broader perspective and helped me to clarify my own thinking.

Books like this however have nothing to do with "seeing how the other guy thinks". That's nonsense. It's a passive aggressive way to make others feel small, yourself feel big while not taking an iota of responsibility for it.

Just callin' it like it is. I'm all for free discussion.....and I will say that I know some pretty hard-core conservatives, all of whom are totally fed up with this administration because they are anything but.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

Jill