Hello All,

Hopefully some of you can help us. We are very worried about our baby.

I read quite a lot about vaccinations before baby was born and decided to go at them slowly after talking to two different doctors and all of our friends (some of them doctors too). We do a lot of international travel and decided it would be a good idea.

Baby was born healthy at almost 10 pounds. Baby received her first ever shot on August 30th, at 4 months old. It was a 6 in one combo shot. I figured the less shots the better. She had a small fever for two days and a red bump at the spot for a week but that was it.

Now at four months old she was babbling--I recorded movies of her almost every day. One funny thing she would do is say "hello"--or watch our lips and repeat a baby "hello". She also talked to her toys sometimes non-stop for hours, squealed and rolled back and forth from side to side, almost over.

Around September 15 I started to notice she was quieter. I figured she was getting teeth or something. She would still talk though--babble and smile and shreak especially when she saw other babies or new people. The next week I noticed she was even quieter when we had a guest..she wasn't all too interested. She also started to have 5-6 poopy diapers a day instead of the one or two. We thought perhaps she had a small virus.

Around October 6th I started to get scared. I used to go about my chores and I could hear her playing. No more. Complete silence. For the past few weeks my husband and I have been trying to get her to talk, but it's gone. On an average day she will shreak maybe once or twice, but otherwise she is totally silent besides whining.

She will laugh when we play with her. She is interested in us and the cat. She will smile at us and smile at people when they talk to her. She grabs her feet a lot and is very good with her fingers.

She is no longer trying to roll over at all. She is happy to just kind of hang out on her back.

Please let me know if you know anything that can cause this or have any ideas for us or have heard of similar cases. We brought her to the doctor who suggested an ultrasound and some more tests by a developmental doctor.

We are so scared...

Thanks.

Ds1 did pretty much the same thing after his first shots at 6 months, including the weird poopy diapers. And it took me awhile to notice, it was only really in retrospect that I realized that he'd stopped babbling.

I don't know exactly what caused it. My personal feeling is that ds couldn't deal with the amount of toxins in his little system.

We decided no more vaccines. And then we waited. He was somewhat speech delayed, but he eventually caught up and actually became advanced for his age. He does have some issues, anxiety disorder and impulse control being the main ones, but I have no idea how much what happened to him may have contributed to those. When he was younger he had some of the things generally associated with autism, but he seems to have grown out of it, thankfully. It took years for his bm's to get even remotely 'normal' though.

It probably wouldn't hurt to have testing done, but if it was the vaccines...and given this isn't the first time I've heard a story similar to ours, it's quite possible it was....I don't know that they'll find anything. We never had any testing done on ds, though.

Hopefully someone else might have some ideas for you. We just waited it out and he eventually started babbling again. :hug So sorry you're having to deal with this.

Healthy babies quite often don't babble all the time - they stop and they start, on and off. I would be more concerned with her stopping trying to roll over - that should be happening more, not less. At any case, keep watching and make notes, and if things slow down further or she doesn't resume rolling and/or babbling, I'd try to look into it a bit more.

Needless to say, I'd stop vaccinating. Not that I ever started... :) This 6 in 1 thing is creepy... :irked:

Yes, I understand that healthy babies stop babbling sometimes..that's what reassured me at the beginning when she slowed down with babbling (she would be mostly quiet for 2 days then go on a talking burst for a few hours). Right now it is complete silence. I wouldn't know she was even here. And this has been going on for over two weeks. I would feel OK if she was learning new skills, but she has not learned anything new in this time period.

Right now she is on her blanket grabbing her toes in silence. She is not even rolling on her sides anymore or reaching for toys very often.

Another thing--she sleeps in a cradle right next to me at night. At 4 months we were discussing bringing her big crib in. She was rolling almost over in the cradle, using the sides to pull herself towards me. Every morning waking up with all kinds of baby sounds. A month and a half later and she is still in the cradle. She no longer tries to move much in there and it seems safe again. When she wakes up it is in silence...she just plays by herself. I always wake up at the same time and she gives me a big smile (thank god for that).

When I brought her to the doctor (yesterday) she even mentioned how she needs her next set of 6 month shots. I didn't say anything at the time (did NOT want to get into that--I could tell the doctor was "testing" me to see if I thought it was vaccination related. I played dumb.). There is of course no way my baby will get another shot until we know what is going on with her (and even then I'm very much doubting it). I just find it VERY interesting a doctor could recommend an ultrasound and a referral to a developmental doctor and remind me of her shots in the same breath.

Find a good DAN! doctor. (Do some research, unforunately not all DAN! docs are equal)

Do you really think she could become autistic after one shot? Do any of you have any links to similar stories? What else could be wrong with her?

Today we had sleepiness, very little eye contact, one laugh and no babbling, shreaks or squeals. No trying to roll.:( In eight hours.

I'm so sorry that happened, mama. :hug

My son, who is on the autism spectrum (and vaxed up to age 5), also had speech delay and a host of social/interaction issues. We did discover that part of the reason for his speech delay was a chronic problem with middle ear fluid build up, which was causing about a 30% hearing loss - BUT I knew even then that he WAS hearing me b/c he was responding even when I was out of his sight.

Eventually, he did get his speech skills and caught up (without intervention) with no problem before he started school.

PLEASE be sure to report this to VAERS!!!!!!!

Do you really think she could become autistic after one shot?

I do, yes.

Six viruses injected into a very new human being. I don't think that would ever happen in nature. No wonder she is taking her time getting over it. In my opinion she needs time.

This is just my opinion, but I would buy a baby monitor and use it until you see that she is improving again and getting back to where she was before getting the vaccines.



Your child does not have the same symptoms that my grandson exhibited but I think they are also very worrisome.

It took my grandson 5 years to grow out of autism symptoms after being vaccinated. He is a normal 10 yo child now. Nothing unusual. Healthy, bright and super popular.


We found doctors will only say they don't know what the cause is, but it is not the vaccine. What reasoning is that? It made us lose faith in them all.


I hope she recovers completely.

:hug

I would also check into a DAN doctor. It wouldn't hurt.

omg.....6 viruses in one shot?? that is a complete immune system overload.....poor baby, i will pray for her....:gloomy:

I am her baby monitor. She sleeps right next to me and never leaves me all day.

I was actually so scared after her first shots I set the alarm on my cell phone under my pillow for every hour for about a week. I wanted to check her temp and everything. She seemed like she made it through OK.

And I'm not in the US and can't seem to find a list of DAN doctors.

And I have to say I feel like a complete idiot. For some reason I assumed one shot would be better than 6 different ones.

And I have to say I feel like a complete idiot. For some reason I assumed one shot would be better than 6 different ones.

Don't do that to yourself. Many of us have made similar mistakes, before we knew better. What's done is done and now you need to move forward and be proactive.

What was in the 6 in 1 shot? That would be a good place to start with trying to figure out what happened and if something is wrong.

What country are you in? UK?

Autistic after "one" shot? Perhaps. Having a serious reaction that results in damage? Quite possible.

:hug

-Angela

:hug

I would also check into a DAN doctor. It wouldn't hurt.

May I ask a stupid question? (ok two) What exactly is a DAN doctor?

omg.....6 viruses in one shot?? that is a complete immune system overload.....poor baby, i will pray for her....:gloomy:

My jaw hit the desk when I read six in one shot. My thoughts exactly, system overload.

OP: p\u the book What every parent should know about childhood immunizations. Go to www.vran.org or VaccineTruth.com and start reading. Report the reaction to VAERS immediately, don't wait for the doctor to do it - do it yourself (vran has a link for VAERS reporting).

I will keep your little one in mind and heart and set a candle for her. May she heal quickly mama. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for both of you hun.

Sometimes baby's work really hard at mastering something such as sounds or a word. And once they feel that it is mastered, they move on and often don't repeat that word for months. DD said "Kitty" non-stop for about 1 month everytime she saw our cat and then suddenly stopped. About 2-3 weeks later she started saying "hi" to everyone all the time, and now she won't say it. Now she is saying "this" all the time and I imagine it will stop as well. While she is working on other sounds and word skills - she very rarely says the things that she used to say with such frequency. Like another poster added, if it is gross motor skills that she is no longer doing, I would be more worried because they use those to build on others. There are times in the first year that they get quiet, sleep more, and sometimes seem like another baby- just think of all the physical and developmental growing that is going on. Some days they take in more and just observe rather than interacting, at least that is the way DD has done.
I may get flamed for saying this (because I haven't researched as much as some mom's on here) but if a vaccination does cause a severe reaction, in most circumstances I have come across, the baby will have a severe reaction following the shot, such as a high fever, significant illness- rather than a small fever and a bump.

Infanrix hexa is the vaccine name.

I may get flamed for saying this (because I haven't researched as much as some mom's on here) but if a vaccination does cause a severe reaction, in most circumstances I have come across, the baby will have a severe reaction following the shot, such as a high fever, significant illness- rather than a small fever and a bump.

Nope. Not necessarily the case at all. This is actually a very common scenario.

-Angela

[QUOTE=Sheal;9448858]May I ask a stupid question? (ok two) What exactly is a DAN doctor?QUOTE]


Here is a good summary: http://autism.about.com/od/alternativetreatmens/f/dandoc.htm

This website has a practitioner list both inside and outside the U.S.:
http://www.autismwebsite.com/ARI/dan/dan.htm

I may get flamed for saying this (because I haven't researched as much as some mom's on here) but if a vaccination does cause a severe reaction, in most circumstances I have come across, the baby will have a severe reaction following the shot, such as a high fever, significant illness- rather than a small fever and a bump.


Flamed? Absolutely not. However, you will be informed that anecdote does not equal scientific proof. There have been no long term studies on the effects of vaccines. If a child is developmentally delayed at age 5, after having a reaction like this (not saying this is a reaction, because I don't know - just saying that if a child reacted by changing her behavior in the way this child has) the overwhelming majority of people are not going to attribute it to the vaccines. The ones that do will be called crazy. And doctors and scientists will continue to refuse to study it, so no one will ever know what really happened.

Furthermore, if your contention is that this can't be vaccine related, since the child didn't have "significant illness" then there is no way anyone can convince you it is, regardless of the evidence. There is no specific test for vaccine damage, you know, unless we're talking about something huge like encephalopathy. There's no ultrasound, brain scan or anything else that can prove that things like these were caused by vaccines. So you may very well know LOTS of children who were damaged in exactly this way, but neither you nor the majority of their parents or doctors will EVER attribute it to the vaccines.

My child had a bad reaction to a shot. She WAS significantly ill, but she doesn't seem to have any long term problems. She's right on track or ahead in everything and healthy as a horse. Significant illness can occur without long term damage and long term damage can almost CERTAINLY occur without signinficant illness.

Nope. Not necessarily the case at all. This is actually a very common scenario.

-Angela

This is what makes me so sad..I really thought we were OK.

The more I read the more scared I am. My head is spinning. How crazy it is not to research this stuff first.

Baby had hives and eczema BEFORE she got any shots--diagnosed at 3 months. She would pop up with a hive throughout the day for no good reason. I didn't worry too much. This was diagnosed by the same doctor who gave her these shots. My husband is lactose intolerant now and I was allergic until age 6 or 7--I only drank goat's milk. One grandmother had alzheimer's, the other asthma. My father and brother have asthma. I "have" ADD (diagnosed at 15) and auditory issues. And a ton of fillings.

Many of these info sites even list allergies as a reason to give special thought to vaccination. Curious to why doctors don't think about this.

I'm so very much praying that if she was hurt by this shot she will be able to recover. We will see what the developmental doctor and ultrasound doctor say tomorrow.

Thank god she only had one dose and not the 3 she would have already had if we followed the schedule.

[QUOTE=Sheal;9448858]May I ask a stupid question? (ok two) What exactly is a DAN doctor?QUOTE]


Here is a good summary: http://autism.about.com/od/alternativetreatmens/f/dandoc.htm

This website has a practitioner list both inside and outside the U.S.:
http://www.autismwebsite.com/ARI/dan/dan.htm

I found this list but it doesn't work for me.

Anybody have a list of whats in the six in one, and associated reactions to the preservetives?

Also what are some of the best links I can have my husband read? He was 100% for vaccines.

http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_infanrix.pdf

Each 0.5-mL dose also contains 2.5 mg of 2-phenoxyethanol as a preservative, 4.5 mg of NaCl, and aluminum adjuvant (not more than 0.625 mg aluminum by assay). Each dose also contains ≤100 mcg of residual formaldehyde and ≤100 mcg of polysorbate 80 (Tween 80). INFANRIX does not contain thimerosal.

I didnt even know there was a 6 in 1 shot. How scary. Please dont beat yourself up about it.
I cant be of much practical help Im afraid but I just wanted to offer you some moral support
Theres a list of DAN! (defeat autism now!) doctors state by state on healing-arts.com. I dont know really know much about it but I believe some are better then others, so research thoroughly before choosing one if you decide to go that route. It definitley couldnt hurt seeing one.
Hopefully she will recover in time.
I skipped my DD's wbv yesterday to avoid the vax issue and last night she was cranky all through the night for no apparent reason? You can bet that if she had shots yesterday I would have been blaming that on her crankiness.

Lets hope that its not vax related at all and its something else nowhere near as scary. Oh if only they could talk to us huh?

Im praying for you and your little one. hugs.

Do you really think she could become autistic after one shot?...

I do. I have heard stories about kids regressing hours/days/weeks after shot(s).
I hope it's not the case with your baby though, but if it was my baby I definitely would NEVER give her another vaccine...

Don't do that to yourself. Many of us have made similar mistakes, before we knew better. What's done is done and now you need to move forward and be proactive.

:nod

alot of :hug to you, mama.

If it were me, I'd definitely stop the shots but try not to worry. (I know this is easy for me to say!) The symptoms you describe could be related to the vax but they could also very well be within the realm of normal. My son rolled over from front to back every day starting at eight weeks and suddenly stopped rolling that way when he was working on how to roll the other way. He hardly ever rolls to his back even now at six months. He also went through periods of babbling and then periods of silence. Babies are so different! My DS has done really quirky things. :)

I'm very skeptical of vaccinations and haven't gotten any for DS but I also think that in general, babies are very resilient and have amazing abilities to heal. I think the limit for every baby (and human) is different when it comes to toxins. She could heal. Try to focus on going forward and stand your ground about further shots.

Hopefully the developmental doc will help ease your worries. Keep us posted. Big :hugs!

I just wanted to add to my story that ds1 had a 5 in 1 shot, Pentacel (DTaP, HIB & Polio) plus a meningitis shot. The only reason I have any idea what he was given is that after reading this board for awhile, I requested his vax record.

Whenever a child regresses developmentally (whether this is actual regression time will tell and I know your mommy gut is telling you it is) you really need to take a serious look at metabolic and genetic conditions. Some of those (metabolic) can be made worse by vaxes. This is where I would focus personally. Genetic wise I think she's too early for Rett's Disorder Onset by a bit and the progression doesn't sound right to me. Has she lost muscle tone (seem more floppy or less strong)?

Fatty acid oxidation disorder, CPT, mitochondrial, organic acidemias, are all metabolic possibilities. Or, again, this could just be a blip. But if it persists you really need a metabolic work up. And not all doctors are aware. See what types of screenings she perhaps had as a newborn....there aren't newborn screenings for many of these including the mitochondrial one which is the most common I think.

But I strongly suggest that you look at metabolics and genetics if this keeps up. I hope it doesn't and I think there is a chance of that (that this is just a developmental resting period) :hug

Oh, have a hearing screening too. My understanding is that children who cannot hear babble for a while and then stop. I'm not informed in that area but I'd have a hearing screen.

Just wanted to add that the OP can't use a DAN doctor as she is not in the U.S.

I found this on the shot:

http://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Profs/Datasheet/I/Infanrixhexainj.htm

A 0.5 ml dose of the vaccine contains not less than 30 IU of adsorbed diphtheria toxoid, not less than 40 IU of adsorbed tetanus toxoid, 25 mcg of adsorbed PT, 25 mcg of adsorbed FHA, 8 mcg of adsorbed pertactin, 10 mcg of adsorbed recombinant HBsAg protein, 40 D-antigen units of type 1 (Mahoney), 8 D-antigen units of type 2 (MEF-1) and 32 D-antigen units of type 3 (Saukett) of the polio virus. It also contains 10 mcg of adsorbed purified capsular polysaccharide of Hib (PRP) covalently bound to 20-40 mcg tetanus toxoid (T).
Excipients

Lactose, sodium chloride (NaCl), 2-phenoxyethanol, aluminium hydroxide (Al(OH)3), aluminium phosphate (AlPO4), water (H2O) for injections. Medium 199 (as stabilizer containing amino acids, mineral salts, vitamins and other substances) (M 199), potassium chloride (KCl), disodium phosphate, monopotassium phosphate, polysorbate 20 and 80, glycine, formaldehyde, neomycin sulphate, polymyxin B sulphate are present as residuals from the manufacturing process.

Many of these info sites even list allergies as a reason to give special thought to vaccination. Curious to why doctors don't think about this.

They don't have to and most never will. Please understand that medical system as a whole and any given doctor in particular are doing their job and their priorities are very, very different from yours. Their goal is to vaccinate everyone. Yours is to have a healthy child. Unless you sort things out and stand firm on what you want for your child, noone else will stand up for her, she will be treated according to the current procedures and the consequences will be ignored.

Yes, family history of autoimmunity can be the problem. Vaccination makes things worse. Problem is, noone knows where each child's breaking point is.

I may get flamed for saying this (because I haven't researched as much as some mom's on here) but if a vaccination does cause a severe reaction, in most circumstances I have come across, the baby will have a severe reaction following the shot, such as a high fever, significant illness- rather than a small fever and a bump.

A severe reaction can take a while to manifest, especially if there is significant damage done. An immediate reaction to a shot would be fever, fussiness, etc. But something like this, would take a few weeks for the damage to take hold.

The 6 in 1 shot scares the **** out of me! That sounds like too much, too soon. It is alot for a tiny baby to take all at once. The body is made to deal with diseases mostly on a one on one basis. This was overload on her tiny system. But dont beat yourself up about it, mama. You did what you thought was best at the time. That's all we can do as parents. I would strongly recommend NO MORE shots ever though....My twins are not vaccinated, never had a shot and never will. So I cant help you with an experience.....

I am so sorry you are going through this. I can only imagine what you must be feeling. I do hope that your little angel comes back to you, soon...

I think DAN doctors generally focus on the mercury part of autism (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). If this is one of the newer low/no-mercury vaccines (I have no idea what's available abroad), then it may not be mercury so much as the other ingredients (assuming it's vaccination-related, but it seems like a good thing to look into). In that case, finding a healthcare provider who knows about more general detoxification may be as useful. Our HCP is an acupuncturist, and although she has been quite helpful with our mercury issues, I think she's just as helpful to those patients who aren't dealing with mercury. A HCP (I use the generic because it seems like people from many different specialties can be helpful here) with a background in this can help understand how someone's body is effectively (or not) getting rid of toxins on their own and can recommend supplements/dietary changes that can improve the situation. This has helped us quite a bit. My son doesn't bang his head against the wall anymore. :D And his exposure was in-utero, so quite a bit earlier developmentally.

I have no advice, but wanted to offer :hug and prayers for the health of your sweet DD.

How is your baby?

I came back to see how your dd is doing and what the specialists had to say?

DAN! doctors focus on all aspects, not just the mercury. Mercury gets the headlines as it was/is in the shots and using chelation is scary. Since DAN! docs do not shy away from the issues some of these kids have with heavy metals, the perception is DAN! is all about heavy metals and that is incorrect. At our clinic, we have found about 40% have metal issues.

The biggest part of our practice is with the issues of methylation and healing the gut and nutrition. We have more patients with issues of yeast, bacteria, constipation, diarrhea, eczema than with heavy metals.

Then there are the issues dealing with allergies, viral loads, seizures, thyroid etc.

DAN! docs have to with a multitude of issues relating to autism.

Rick Neubrander

Hello everyone..

We just got back from the hospital. They gave baby an ultrasound on her head but said because of her age it was hard to see much--but what they could see looked normal.

We then spent a long time with a terrific doctor who asked a ton of questions and tested her physically. He agreed that her lack of speech for this long and lack of turning over was something to look into at this stage. She was happy and smiling but not talking to the doctor or us the hour we were in there of course. He also said her movements were not normal when it came to sitting up. She does a strange thing--she lifts her head and feet and gets very stiff like she is trying to sit up. She does this over and over again--at least 40-80 times a day. It looks like a crunch exercise.

Tomorrow she is getting an EEG to make sure she isn't having any kind of seizures.

The biggest part of our practice is with the issues of methylation and healing the gut and nutrition. We have more patients with issues of yeast, bacteria, constipation, diarrhea, eczema than with heavy metals.

Then there are the issues dealing with allergies, viral loads, seizures, thyroid etc.

DAN! docs have to with a multitude of issues relating to autism.

Rick Neubrander

What do you think of the change in her bowels? At 4 months she was pooping one big yellow poop (like thin peanut butter) between 9-11 AM then sometimes a smaller one later. Now she has 4-6 poopy diapers that are usually yellow with the mustard seedy look. Some are just wet gas explosions. Many smell quite strong. The one I just changed was very smelly and dark greenish brown. She has been on small amounts of breast milk (what I can express, she will only nurse once in the morning) and otherwise a HA formula (same one since birth, though she got more breast milk at the beginning-I used an SNS with her until she began to reject it more and more around 3 months).

Many times after a vax the immune system is weakend an a child can get a yeast or bacterial overgrowth. You could have your doc run a microbial analysis panel or organic acids profile to check.

I am leaving to no internet land for 12 days. Going on vacation. Good Luck.

How is your dd today?

something for you to consider - was speaking to someone I know about your concerns who delayed vaxing until her dd was 1yrs old.
She said that dd was coming on leaps and bounds and all of a sudden at 5months just stopped for a few weeks and it was almost like she was regressing. But then out of nowhere she stared up again, babbling and thriving as she ever was.
And remember this child wasnt vaxed at this stage.
Maybe it could just be a 'developmental pause'?

I would search for a good homeopath. And an osteopath who could do some craneal sacral work.

hugs!

:Hug
Keep us updated!

What do you think of the change in her bowels? At 4 months she was pooping one big yellow poop (like thin peanut butter) between 9-11 AM then sometimes a smaller one later. Now she has 4-6 poopy diapers that are usually yellow with the mustard seedy look. Some are just wet gas explosions. Many smell quite strong. The one I just changed was very smelly and dark greenish brown. She has been on small amounts of breast milk (what I can express, she will only nurse once in the morning) and otherwise a HA formula (same one since birth, though she got more breast milk at the beginning-I used an SNS with her until she began to reject it more and more around 3 months).

She could be having a reaction to the formula.

Personally, I would get her off of the HA formulas ASAP if at all possible. The HA formulas have the highest amount of hydrolyzed proteins (which is almost purely MSG) and highly neurotoxic, particularly in a baby, when the blood brain barrier isn't completely formed. If she doesn't have a reason to be on it, I'd switch to a different formula. I'd use cow's milk formula if I had to use formula and stay away from HA and Soy. Is she (or might she be at risk) for an allergy to cow's milk?

I would highly consider getting donor milk from a milk bank. Breast milk can do amazing things. I have insufficient glandular tissue and can't make a full supply and supplement my son with milk that I buy (via a prescription) from a milk bank. It is expensive if you buy it yourself ($2.90 an ounce) but you may be able to get your insurance to partially cover it. (Mine does, though it isn't all that common. PM me for tips on how to get insurance to pay.)

Nevermind. Didn't read the whole thread before posting. :duh

Update:

The EEG was normal, though the doctor would like to do another next week as well as a blood/urine test. They got a stool sample.

She did not think it was seizures though. We are now doing lots of tummy time (her arms are too weak) and trying to teach her how to roll over to discourage the funny "crunch" exercise thing she does. Did anybody else's baby do this? (It looks like a habit or tick--she does it SOOO much).

She also is not gaining enough weight anymore, so we have to try to sneak more calories.

We love her so much!

:hug

Please be very careful and research everything yourself before following the doctors advice no matter what.

Kids do go through stages where they don't gain weight for a while. I don't know what age that is though.

I dont know if it is the same or not but my DD went through a stage when she was right about the age of your LO where she did the "crunches". It was just her working on sitting up. She stoped doing it once she learned to sit up. She just REALLY wanted to sit up. This might be what your LO is doing.
Just something for you to consiter.
On a seperate thing I am so glad that it looks like your LO is not having seizures. My LO was having bad reactions to the shots too, but not as bad as your LO. Becouse of that we did not realize it til she was a year but she has not had any shots in about 6 months now and her development is back on track and she is doing really well!

I would certainly contact a Naturopathic Doctor for some guidance. I am sorry that you are having to deal with this! Stay positive!!! Your baby needs you!

:hugs Please keep us updated. I will be praying for her and your family.

Hi, I'm glad nothing has come up that is alarming so far.

To answer your question,

Did anybody else's baby do this? (It looks like a habit or tick--she does it SOOO much).

Yes, mine does this a lot when he is trying to poop or when he doesn't feel like lying down anymore. He is 4 mos and has not had any vaccinations post-partum (I ignorantly had the WinRho shot at 28 weeks).

I just thought i should comment... my little girl is 5 months old and she hasn't received any vaxes. She used to be super talkative, said hi, dada, bla bla, num num and just babbled away non stop. For the last 2 weeks or so she only makes little "uh uh" noises and shrieks. She also has been crying and whining more, which i'm attributing to teething since her first tooth just popped through.
Anyway, i just wanted to let you know that my DH and I have noticed a big change in her behaviour and it sounds sort of similar to your baby, but our girl is unvaxed... so maybe you have nothign to worry about. It could simply be a developmental thing.
Best wishes, i hope you find the answers you are looking for and i hope you hear a good stream of babbles from your baby again soon.:Hug

oh, and the 'crunch' thing... she does it ALL the time if she's on her back, sometimes she forgets she can roll to her tummy and just lays there doing crunches. No worries, it's just her trying to get into a sitting up posture.

My first baby had some physical issues that made us worried and we had to endure the children's hospital and lots of tests. It can be scary but our dd (now 4 years) is just fine, developmentally ahead of her peers in almost every way. The treatment she got from an osteopath helped the most in getting her muscle issues taken care of and now she is strong, tall, healthy, beautiful and no one would ever know she did not crawl, was late to talk, walked early, had problems eating, and look pretty funny for a while until her problems were taken care of. So, take heart that many times these things work out just great.

And, my baby's problems had nothing to do with vaxes. It was all muscle issues - congenital.

Yeah, my dd is right about 4 month old now and she does the crunches whenever I put her down. That's her new "thing" now. But I think you should follow your instinct whether what your baby is doing is normal or not. Good luck .

I sure hope everything is OK.

As for the crunching tick, I would know if I saw your dd, but my dd was nicknamed "Pilates baby."

It was definitely her best effort to begin training her abs for sitting up.

I just wanted to add to my story that ds1 had a 5 in 1 shot, Pentacel (DTaP, HIB & Polio) plus a meningitis shot. The only reason I have any idea what he was given is that after reading this board for awhile, I requested his vax record.

FYI, it is next to impossible to find single-vaccine shots anymore. The vast majority are combinations of 3-6 vaccines.

Edited to add: if you ever have concerns about your child's development, at ANY age or stage, please call your local Early Intervention office for an evaluation. You do NOT need a doctor's referral, and they will evaluate your child for 2-3 hours, not the 15 minutes their pediatrician is available at a well or sick visit.

Missbuns, how is your daughter doing now?

Hi there. Well, she's still not babbling-nor making any sounds at all besides laughing, grunting and whining. She turns 6 months in a couple of weeks and then it will be almost two months of silence (at 4 months she was non-stop babbling many sounds to her toys and us, copying tongue and parroting "hello" ).

She has had two EEGs, two ultrasounds, all kinds of observation by her new (and very good) doctor, and blood tests. The only thing the doctor found was a very slight elevation (on border) of liver enzymes...she wants to do another test in a few weeks. She learned to roll over both ways a couple weeks ago and does it easily all the time and is VERY advanced with her fine motor skills and playing with her toys--she figures everything out. She is very friendly and laughs a lot and smiles at everyone. She also has really good eye contact and "talks" to me with her eyes. But no noises. I just spent 4 hours trying to get some sort of sound out of her. Besides laughing she is silent baby.

She will not be getting any more shots--not for a long, long time. I'm glad I found out about these things before it was way too late. I am really hoping they will figure out some of what is going on with vaccinations in the next few years. With so much autism in the news I have some hope. Until then for sure no more shots. I want some PROOF that they don't hurt some children (which there quite obviously is none of at the present time).

She luckily only had this one shot but according to the new Dr. Sears book it has the MOST aluminum of all of the shots. :(

I must say this whole thing has made me really look at myself and my family as well. My grandmother had alzheimer's disease. I think if anyone is susceptible it would be my baby. I had all kinds of tests done as a child. i had a high IQ but an auditory processing disorder diagnosed, ADD, social anxiety...was very shy and have always had severe problems talking to people. I started to feel "out of it" around age 12 or 13 (I would feel overwhelmed, get headaches and have to go lie down and hide away at big family gatherings, stuff like that).Now I'm really wondering if all of this has anything to do with my issues as well.

Thanks for the update. :hug

Hi again...

Well, it's now been over two months of silence. Today I looked at a bunch of old movies of baby when she was 4 months old before that one shot. It was amazing. She was babbling, screeching, making all the loud silly baby sounds. She watched my mouth and copied "hello" over and over again conversation style. I haven't heard babbling like that since (well, I started to notice her getting quieter 1-2 weeks after that shot).

She has been TOTALLY QUIET now for so long I'm pretty sure something is wrong. I don't know what to do. I feel like it's my fault. Probably something I did during pregnancy (I used nose spray) combined with that shot and genetic reasons...

I really don't know what to do and it seems like 6 months is young for autism but all the signs are there. Every study I read that talks about warning signs (can't turn over right, sit up alone, passive, no babbling, iffy on the eye contact, weird reflexes and ticks).

Every day it's harder and harder for me to go on without getting depressed. I sit down with her for hours, read with her, dance with her, sing with her, and get nothing back. I feel like I'm talking to myself. She will smile at me and laugh sometimes but most of the time it's just passive...silent...examining toys and that's it. She isn't wiggling around, trying to sit up, trying to crawl...isn't really looking at me the way she used to...

PLEASE help me figure out what to do.

I am so sorry. :gloomy: I wish I had some advice , I hope someone will. :hug

:hug Mama. I'm so sorry. Just a thought, but have you thought about teaching her sign language to get the interactive communication going?

I also hope you can find some local support, both for yourself and your daughter. Has she been to a pediatric neurologist for testing?

:hug Mama. You are not alone in this. Many people here vaccinated their first baby without seeking in depth information, myself included. You will get through this. I will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers. I know you said you are not in the US, but recently the AAP has recommended that all babies be screened twice for autism before they are two. I think one of the screenings was recommended at six months. Trust your mama's intuition.

Just to update those who are interested...

Baby is fine now at seven months. She is babbling "mama" and other sounds, making eye contact with everyone, playing complicated games like catch (rolling a ball back and forth with another person), turning the pages of a book, etc. She is very interested in everything around her and an extremely happy and relaxed baby.

She doesn't seem interested in crawling yet but sits for long periods playing alone. When she wants me she calls me "mamamamama" and tries to crawl into my lap. She hugs and cuddles and gives baby kisses and bites my nose.

This whole thing was so scary. No more vaxes for us. I don't want to risk that she had a reaction to the aluminum (huge amount in the shot she got) or one of the other 5 or 6 diseases that were in there. Her doctor even understands since she was quite worried about her development which stopped for over two months.

Thank you for all of your thoughts.

Glad to see a postive update. The body is an amazing thing and can sometimes recover quite well. I feel sorry for those who continue to vaccinate in spite of their misgivings and end up doing permanent damage...at least you heeded the warning and your baby seems to be recovering. I too stopped after my son suffered several problems after his 6 month round of shots, I was sure the next round would finish him off. He's almost 9 and still recovering, my 5 year old is not vaccinated at all.

Thank you for updating!!

That's great news!

I am so, so happy to hear it.

I'm so glad to read a positive outcome for you and your dd, what a scary time you have been through!

Makes me glad I haven't given my son any vax, it's so hard to know what the "right" thing is with all the pressure from the medical establishment. Stories like this one reinforce my belief that I'm doing the best for my ds.

Your daughter is lucky that she had an aware mama who noticed the change and saw a possible connection w/ vax. I wouldn't like to think of what the outcome might have been if you had continued her vaxing schedule.

:crying - relief!!!
i read through the whole thread with anxiety and sadness for you and your daughter. i'm so relieved things are well for your little one.
thanks for sharing your experience.
wishing the best of health to your family.:hug

Oh my gosh, this was a roller coaster! My worst nightmare - my baby regressing and "disappearing" before my eyes. I'm so very, very, VERY glad to see her progress, and it cements my decision to continue to selective and delay our vaxes.

Catching up on your updates. Reading the one in November, I was thinking things are going to be just fine. I don't know why because your descriptions were sounding so terrifying. But you did so awesome to continue to interact and engage with her. I am so glad to read your final update that all seems well. I am so happy for you and wish your little baby well.

Oh, WONDERFUL!!! I'm so glad that she's recovered, and is back on track.... here's hoping there are no other effects!

So very happy to hear she's doing better!

I am so glad your LO is doing better. I was really hoping, what happened to your LO is so similar to what happened to mine, after her shot she just regressed and stoped developing for around two months. But then my DD started talking again, I was so relieved. I have been thinking about you and your LO for months wishing that you would have the same out come. I hope your LO keeps doing well. My DD is almost a year since her last shot and she is doing better every day.
Good Luck. I am so glad your LO is doing better.

Baby is fine now at seven months.
She doesn't seem interested in crawling yet but sits for long periods playing alone.

That's wonderful. :)

My DS didn't crawl on all fours until 11 months (although he army-crawled at 8) and now at 13 months, he's practically running around the house!

Thanks for the update.

Great news! :)

May I make a very simple observation here? I totally support these Mamas who are PPs here. I think seeing a specialist is smart, I'm not sure what a DAN doctor is, but these mamas are smart and know what they're talking about.

However, and perhaps it's just a simple reassurance, this sounds like she might be teething? Babies do funny things while teething, the pain and discomfort can be very strange for them and even cause ear pain, rashes, diarrhea, all sorts of stuff (I know we all know this). Perhaps she has stopped trying to roll over because of some ear pain? Did she usually roll one way or both ways? Most babies prefer one side to roll on, maybe she has some fluid in that ear?

Or maybe she's just not feeling quite "right" because of the teeth? It would be totally normal for her to be going through that right now.

I would be reassured by her continued interest in you guys, looking you in the eyes, wanting to interact and explore interactive play with you, and of course smiling and laughing at you.

This is another weird question, but is her head symmetrical? My nephew had Torticollis, showing up around this time, and he had such a hard time rolling over that he stopped trying (at least that's what it seemed like , who knows why he didn't really try after a while). THey asked their pediatrician about it, and he dismissed it, then they changed peds, and SIL was so embarrassed from being dismissed she didn't even bring it up with the new one. Of course, the new one noticed it and sent her to a specialist, and now the baby's doing great with the help of a cranio-sacral therapist.

Anyway I do think the PPs are giving you good input, I just wanted to add my two cents, too! And yes, 6 shots in one is frightening, but you didn't know that, you made the best choice you could that day, and you shouldn't feel badly about it. It might help someone else who reads this to be more informed about that type of shot!