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Old 01-28-2007, 07:42 AM   #1
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What the CDC doesn't want you (and your daughter) to know about HPV & cervical cancer


FROM THE CDC:


*Most women who develop invasive cervical cancer have not had regular cervical cancer screening.

*Cervical cancer is an uncommon consequence of HPV infection in women, especially if they are screened for cancer regularly with Pap tests and have appropriate follow-up of abnormalities.

*But over the last 40 years, widespread cervical cancer screening using the Pap test and treatment of pre-cancerous cervical abnormalities have resulted in a marked reduction in the incidence of and mortality due to cervical cancer in the U.S. (70%)


Below is a link to the Vaccine Information Statement (VIS), which providers are federally mandated to hand out to the vaccinee or vaccinee's parent prior to each dose of Gardasil. Three (3) doses make up the series.

"PAP SMEAR" IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ON THE VIS.

The VIS is literally the beginning and end of vaccine "research" for most individuals . . . and the CDC knows this. These VIS handouts are written and designed for the sole purpose of manipulating.

Gardasil VIS: http://www.cdc.gov/nip/publications/VIS/vis-hpv.pdf

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Old 01-28-2007, 07:51 AM   #2
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If your adolescent or adult daughter went to the GYN right now, would she be adequately informed?

If your daughter's grammar, middle and high school offered Gardasil and she was able to consent without your knowledge, would she be adequately informed?

If you didn't open this thread, would YOU have been adequately informed?

For those who think the vaccine is not going to be made available at schools and given without your consent --- think again. Not only is it already being given in schools, but many states have bills pending and plan to introduce legislation giving girls the ability to get the vaccine without your consent.

Just think - they'll have the VIS to help them make the decision . . . which intentionally omits the most bit of information.

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Old 01-28-2007, 07:59 AM   #3
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and soon enough they'll be after my son...:
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:02 AM   #4
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and soon enough they'll be after my son...:

That's correct.

They'll also have two vaccines from which to choose . . . Cervarix brand will be licensed very soon.
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:03 AM   #5
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Thanks for the info--
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:18 AM   #6
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wow, I wonder how much they paid someone to come up with just the right statistics to put on that VIS? And with no mention of regular pap smears?
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:00 AM   #7
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Not trying to hijack, but I have a question. My state has introduced legislation that would make this vax mandatory for 6th grade girls. My DD will be in 6th grade next year, but we homeschool so it's not an issue. My biggest problem with it is all of the local news and such is presenting this all wrong. They're saying things like "this is either a protection against cancer or a license for promiscuity." It just burns me up that we won't ever hear anything about the risks of the vaccine or whether it really protects against cancer or why only give it to girls when boys carry HPV too. Only that those who oppose it are conservatives that don't want girls to have safe sex.

I'm trying to formulate my answer for the questions I know my ILs will bring up when they ask if Margaret will get vaxed. They know we don't vax so they like to try to argue with me when things like this come up. I need a short answer to shut them up. I'm just so angry with this whole business I could scream!!!!
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Old 01-28-2007, 10:08 AM   #8
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FROM THE CDC:


*Most women who develop invasive cervical cancer have not had regular cervical cancer screening.

*Cervical cancer is an uncommon consequence of HPV infection in women, especially if they are screened for cancer regularly with Pap tests and have appropriate follow-up of abnormalities.

*But over the last 40 years, widespread cervical cancer screening using the Pap test and treatment of pre-cancerous cervical abnormalities have resulted in a marked reduction in the incidence of and mortality due to cervical cancer in the U.S. (70%)
I wanted to include a link for the statement by CDC, which came from a report to congress in 2004,

http://www.cdc.gov/std/HPV/2004HPV%20Report.pdf

I will be adding this to my HPV word doc, where I'm trying to save all related info.

Thanks for posting this statement, only took a few seconds to find the link via a google search.

Oh, and here are just some comments from the report in the above link,
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Most infections cause no clinical problems and go away on their own without treatment.

Cervical cancer is an uncommon consequence of HPV infection in women, especially if they are screened for cancer regularly with Pap tests and have
appropriate follow-up of abnormalities.

If detected early and managed promptly, survival rates for cervical cancer are over 90%.

Because genital HPV infection is most common in men and women who have had multiple sex partners, abstaining from sexual activity (i.e. refraining from any genital contact with another individual) is the surest way to prevent infection.

There is evidence that indicates that the use of condoms may reduce the risk of cervical cancer.

• In the future, receiving a safe and effective HPV vaccine to help prevent genital HPV infection as well as the HPV-associated diseases of genital warts and cervical cancer would be an important prevention measure. However, an effective HPV vaccine would not replace other prevention strategies.

Although the majority of infections cause no symptoms and are self-limited, genital HPV is of public health concern because persistent infection with certain types can cause cervical cancer in women.

Most genital infections with either high-risk or low-risk HPV types go away on their own, without clinical consequences.

Cervical cancer is relatively uncommon in the United States because widespread cervical Papanicolaou (Pap) testing can detect precancerous lesions before they develop into cancer.

While infection with high-risk types appears to be “necessary” for the development of cervical cancer, it is not “sufficient” because cancer does not develop in the vast majority of women with HPV infection (2;3). Other co-factors appear to be necessary for the development of cervical cancer (described in Natural History of Genital HPV Infection, page 10).

Accurately assessing the extent of genital HPV infection in the U.S. population has been difficult for many reasons. Data on prevalence and incidence of HPV infection are limited because there is no routine screening for HPV infection, and it is often unclear whether a newly diagnosed infection is recently acquired or longstanding. Neither HPV infection nor genital warts are routinely reported to state health departments

The risk factors consistently associated with HPV infection in women are young age (age less than 25 years) and sexual behavior, specifically number of sex partners, as described below (Transmission and Prevention of Genital HPV, page 11).

The prevalence of genital HPV infection in men is more difficult to assess because it is not clear which are the optimal anatomic sites or specimens to test.

Most published studies have been conducted outside the United States, in men attending STD or university clinics, or among male partners of women with HPV infection.

Rates of cervical cancer have fallen by approximately 75% since the introduction of Pap testing programs.

Natural History of Genital HPV Infection

Most HPV infections are transient and asymptomatic, causing no clinical problems. Studies have shown that 70% of new HPV infections clear within one year, and as many as 91% clear within two years (28;33;67;68). The median duration of new infections is typically eight months (28;67). HPV-16 is more likely to persist than other HPV types (28); however, most HPV-16 infections become undetectable within two years (28). Factors associated with persistence
include older age, high-risk HPV types, infection with multiple HPV types, and immune suppression (69;70). The gradual development of an effective immune response is thought to be the likely mechanism for HPV DNA clearance.
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Old 01-28-2007, 12:34 PM   #9
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Ya know what the most comical part is - the "title" of the VIS sheets. They all say at the top:

XYZ Disease

WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW
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Old 01-28-2007, 12:38 PM   #10
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I would SOOOOO much rather my daughter have Gardasil than have to go through painful colposcopies and biopsies and perhaps surgery and even hysterectomy following an abnormal Pap smear.

That's just me, though.
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Old 01-28-2007, 12:53 PM   #11
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I would SOOOOO much rather my daughter have Gardasil than have to go through painful colposcopies and biopsies and perhaps surgery and even hysterectomy following an abnormal Pap smear.

That's just me, though.


The vaccine only "covers" four strains of HPV . . . there are two dozen+ other strains which have the potential to cause abnormal paps.

What makes you think the vaccine is going to prevent your daughter from having an abnormal pap and going through a biopsy?

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Old 01-28-2007, 02:26 PM   #12
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What do you think?

whoops.

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Old 01-28-2007, 04:00 PM   #13
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The vaccine only "covers" four strains of HPV . . . there are two dozen+ other strains which have the potential to cause abnormal paps.

What makes you think the vaccine is going to prevent your daughter from having an abnormal pap and going through a biopsy?

*checks* I certainly didn't say anything about prevention. However, it certainly would lessen her chances of going through those painful procedures
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Old 01-28-2007, 04:01 PM   #14
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BTW, many of the women I know who have had colposcopies/cervical biopsies say that it's the most painful procedure they've EVER experienced. Worse than childbirth. Worse than a broken leg.

I reiterate that this is what the people I know have shared with me. Obviously YMMV, but I think thinking you have cancer is pretty bad on its own

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Old 01-28-2007, 04:24 PM   #15
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BTW, many of the women I know who have had colposcopies/cervical biopsies say that it's the most painful procedure they've EVER experienced. Worse than childbirth. Worse than a broken leg.
I have had one and I'd rather have it again than subject myself to this vaccine. It was BY FAR NOT the most painful experience of my life...and I've had 3 natural births and a broken arm.
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Old 01-28-2007, 04:37 PM   #16
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I have had one and I'd rather have it again than subject myself to this vaccine.
Same here.
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Old 01-28-2007, 04:55 PM   #17
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BTW, many of the women I know who have had colposcopies/cervical biopsies say that it's the most painful procedure they've EVER experienced. Worse than childbirth. Worse than a broken leg.
I've had one and I didn't find it painful at all. Maybe a little uncomfortable but nothing near the pain of childbirth or the 2 miscarriages I've had.
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Old 01-28-2007, 04:59 PM   #18
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That's ridiculous. I had a colposcopy and cervical LEEP, and neither was painful at all. I would never want my daughter to get this vaccination, because cervical dysplasia is not dangerous for most healthy people if they get regular check ups.
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Old 01-28-2007, 05:01 PM   #19
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many of the women I know who have had colposcopies/cervical biopsies say that it's the most painful procedure they've EVER experienced.

Worse than childbirth. Worse than a broken leg.
This is what's called an exaggeration.

Definition of exaggeration:

*To represent as greater than is actually the case; overstate
*To enlarge or increase to an abnormal degree
*To make overstatements
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Old 01-28-2007, 05:09 PM   #20
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While I understand everyone's pain threshold is different....I tend to lean on LI's side with that one. The biopsy/colposcopy is quick and gives a bit more cramping than a standard routine paps. I'd take a quick 'jab' over the toxins in my daughter's/my body for a lifetime.

Please don't spread scare-mongering exaggerations like that. It's not fair to women who will have to go through that someday (reminds me of childbirth horror stories shared around the belly of a woman at her baby shower...grrr...).

REGULAR SCREENINGS as a PP said are left out of this 'need to know' information.

Among a lot of things I find disgusting about this vaccine, it seems that you can only be 'one less' if you can afford it....this is one of the most expensive vaccines on the market right now, if what I've read is correct.

I'll make sure me and my daughter are ONE LESS woman injected with deadly toxins on the assumption that vaccines mean a 'cure.' Faulty, disgusting science...the world of vaccines.
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