Kleen Kanteen or SIGG?? - Mothering Forums
View Poll Results: Which do you recommend in place of a traditional plastic sippy cup?
Kleen Kanteen 64 46.04%
SIGG 57 41.01%
Other 18 12.95%
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Natural Body Care > Kleen Kanteen or SIGG??
mama_at_home's Avatar mama_at_home 07:08 PM 04-11-2006
It seems like these 2 seem to be the top choices for safe sippy cups and I am trying to decide between the 2. I will try to figure out how to make this a poll but if I can't will just post your vote? Or if there is another safe sippy out there other than these, please let me know. Thanks!

Tofu the Geek's Avatar Tofu the Geek 06:08 PM 04-13-2006
Personally I use SIGG. I chose them over Kleen Kanteen because you can put acidic beverages in them (stainless steel can leach nickel and chromium with acidic beverages. You can easily find this info on stainless steel via Google. Kleen Kanteen says all beverages are safe but they don't give reference to any independent testing for their stainless steel which I'd like to see.) and SIGG's sports caps are leak proof whereas KK's can leak http://greenbeans.ca/GB-KKFAQ.htm
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Are the sports caps leak-proof?

Not completely. Because Klean Kanteen doesn’t flex like a plastic bottle, the sports cap has been designed with a valve to admit air so you can drink from it easily. This valve can sometimes leak if the bottle is on its side or upside down.
I think either bottle is an excellent choice though. Here is some info on independent testing of the SIGG lining (wow, I've been posting this link a lot today!) http://www.reusablebags.com/news.php...details&id=144

I also found these today http://www.newbornfree.com/Catalog.aspx?categoryid=8758
mama_at_home's Avatar mama_at_home 02:46 AM 04-14-2006
Great, thank you!
SAHMinHawaii's Avatar SAHMinHawaii 03:33 AM 04-14-2006
Siggs! They are so darn cute for kids.
Mollyred's Avatar Mollyred 03:26 PM 04-15-2006
I have been using a funtainer from Thermos for my ds. It has a straw sipper and a cap that closes. It is stainless steel and keeps juice, etc. cold for hours. I purchased it at Target but you can get it from the Thermos website also.
Past_VNE's Avatar Past_VNE 04:41 PM 04-15-2006
I'm extremely displeased with the unknown properties of the lining in the SIGG bottles.

Kleen Kanteens for us! We only put water in them the vast majority of the time, so I don't worry about the stainless.
talia rose's Avatar talia rose 07:37 PM 04-15-2006
Test Results direct from Klean Kanteen
Klean Kanteen Lab Results Are In!!! Klean Kanteen is made from 304 L.N. Stainless steel which is grade blended specifically for: food preparation, dairy, brewing, various medical uses, and use where mineral migration is unacceptable.
This Stainless steel is put through a passivation / electropolishing process which seals the surface and prevents minerals from migrating into the contents. (The Klean Kanteen stainless steel water bottle goes through this process.)
To prove this Klean Kanteen had Monarch Laboratories do a 48hr sterile water test at room temperature. Test Report #222812 and NO - (0 ppm) Nickel could be detected.

my vote is klean kanteen. aluminum seems sketchy, though sigg seems to be concerned about it and has tested.
talia rose's Avatar talia rose 07:47 PM 04-15-2006
Test Results direct from Klean Kanteen
Klean Kanteen Lab Results Are In!!! Klean Kanteen is made from 304 L.N. Stainless steel which is grade blended specifically for: food preparation, dairy, brewing, various medical uses, and use where mineral migration is unacceptable.
This Stainless steel is put through a passivation / electropolishing process which seals the surface and prevents minerals from migrating into the contents. (The Klean Kanteen stainless steel water bottle goes through this process.)
To prove this Klean Kanteen had Monarch Laboratories do a 48hr sterile water test at room temperature. Test Report #222812 and NO - (0 ppm) Nickel could be detected.

my vote is klean kanteen. aluminum seems sketchy, though sigg seems to be concerned about it and has tested, so it is probably a fine alternative....
Tofu the Geek's Avatar Tofu the Geek 04:05 AM 04-16-2006
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Originally Posted by talia rose
Test Results direct from Klean Kanteen
Klean Kanteen Lab Results Are In!!! Klean Kanteen is made from 304 L.N. Stainless steel which is grade blended specifically for: food preparation, dairy, brewing, various medical uses, and use where mineral migration is unacceptable.
This Stainless steel is put through a passivation / electropolishing process which seals the surface and prevents minerals from migrating into the contents. (The Klean Kanteen stainless steel water bottle goes through this process.)
To prove this Klean Kanteen had Monarch Laboratories do a 48hr sterile water test at room temperature. Test Report #222812 and NO - (0 ppm) Nickel could be detected.

my vote is klean kanteen. aluminum seems sketchy, though sigg seems to be concerned about it and has tested.
Those test results seem to imply they used sterile water in the bottles? If that's the case, stainless steel doesn't leach nickel or chromium into water. The leaching occurs with acidic beverages and foods such as tomato juice/sauce, apple juice, isotonic sport drinks, etc.

Just to clarify, the inside of SIGG bottles that touches the beverage is a coating of epoxy phenol resin, the aluminum does not touch the beverage.
kewb's Avatar kewb 09:31 AM 04-16-2006
We love our Kleen Kanteen's. We only use them for water. Juice is a real treat in our house and not something I would be lugging around all day.
counterGOPI's Avatar counterGOPI 05:08 PM 04-16-2006
i was told sigg wasnt safe b/c ots aluminum and has plastic lining?????
Tofu the Geek's Avatar Tofu the Geek 02:06 AM 04-17-2006
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Originally Posted by counterGOPI
i was told sigg wasnt safe b/c ots aluminum and has plastic lining?????
The link I posted in post #2 has an exerpt from independent testing on SIGG bottles.
boongirl's Avatar boongirl 03:29 AM 04-17-2006
Seems like steel is not necessarily safer than plastic. Makes me wonder. I thought I would also add that steel is a very polluting product. It is made, in part, from coal. Ever seen a coal mine? What about a mountain top coal mine? The current issue of National Geo. has an article. It is sickening. Steel mills are notoriously nasty polluters. I would not call steel in any way environmentally friendlier than plastic. And, if you do research, try the EPA and CEHN websites, there is a lot of research about plastics. Here is a quote from myself in another forum.

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Phthalates are a problem. There are forms of plastic that do not contain phthalates. Nalgene and Playtex make sippy cups that are made with polypropylene and polyethylene. They also do not have the problem bisphenol-A in them that is also a problem. I feel comfortable giving them to my child.


"Some alternative polymers, however, such as polypropylene and polyethylene, among others, do not require plasticizer additives of any kind, and concern about their leaching is not an issue." Source: http://www.sehn.org/Phthalate_Safety.html


Here are four websites where you can find the accurate information you need to make reasonable and sound health decisions for your families.

http://www.epa.gov/teach/
http://www.checnet.org/
http://www.cehn.org/
http://yosemite.epa.gov/ochp/ochpweb...t/homepage.htm

mermommy's Avatar mermommy 06:28 PM 04-17-2006
Does anyone have a full test result list for SIGG or Klean Kanteen?

When I google I end up with more message board discussions: I followed the link to the german testing site but once I had it translated I found that I would have to buy the test results.

" I just downloaded a test result for aluminium bottles from www.oekotest.de. Stiftung Oekotest is a German testing agency, like Consumer Reports, but everything is tested for environmental friendliness and health concerns. The SIGG aluminium bottle they tested received very good ratings: it leaks minimal traces of aluminium at room temperature, more at higher temperatures (thats why you should protect it from heat and not use it with hot drinks as stated in the manual that comes with the bottle), there was no bisphenol A found, no diethylhexyphthalate, no vinyl. With this it did quite good in the test. They consider traces of aluminium less dangerous than the stuff plastics usually leak."

"I forgot to mention that the Sigg bottles were tested with a slightly acidic solution, as it is common in Germany to mix sparkling water with fruit juice as a refreshing drink. Under those circumstances the bottles leaked aluminium (aluminium leaks with acidy and fatty foods)."
Tofu the Geek's Avatar Tofu the Geek 06:32 PM 04-17-2006
mermommy, don't quote me on this, but I believe after those test results, SIGG changed their lining to a water based lining and then there was no traces of aluminum found. This was back in the 90's I believe. I can't remember where I read this info and wish I had bookmarked it at the time. I will try to dig it up.
Cutie Patootie's Avatar Cutie Patootie 04:25 AM 04-21-2006
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Originally Posted by TechnoGranola
mermommy, don't quote me on this, but I believe after those test results, SIGG changed their lining to a water based lining and then there was no traces of aluminum found. This was back in the 90's I believe. I can't remember where I read this info and wish I had bookmarked it at the time. I will try to dig it up.
I believe that is correct too. At least that is what I read. We do Sigg bottles here for the kids and Klean Kanteen bottles for water. I grew up in West Virginia and the the coal mines are yucky, yucky, yucky! Very scary...my brother and I used to play in an abandoned coal mine near our home when we were little. My mom found out only a few years ago and was absolutely freaky. It is a wonder we were never hurt or worse.
anamama's Avatar anamama 11:50 PM 04-23-2006
SIGG bottles are what we use, for water only (just because I'm a dingaling and would let juice get all nasty in the bottle). I like that they are Swiss made, I trust the labor practices.
rootzdawta's Avatar rootzdawta 12:13 AM 04-24-2006
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Originally Posted by boongirl
Seems like steel is not necessarily safer than plastic. Makes me wonder. I thought I would also add that steel is a very polluting product. It is made, in part, from coal. Ever seen a coal mine? What about a mountain top coal mine? The current issue of National Geo. has an article. It is sickening. Steel mills are notoriously nasty polluters. I would not call steel in any way environmentally friendlier than plastic. And, if you do research, try the EPA and CEHN websites, there is a lot of research about plastics. Here is a quote from myself in another forum.
This is very interesting. I just invested in a whole set of stainless steel cookware and traded in plastic storage bowls for glass only to find out a few days later that stainless steel may not be the best option and plastics may not be of the devil. That being said . . . ds gets only cool water in an Avent sippy cup and no juice yet if ever. I was thinking about getting the Kleen Kanteen 40 ozs. water bottle for myself and a small one for him . . . I'm interested to know if anybody has anything else to add to boongirl's comments (thanks for posting that boongirl).
*andiflipping*'s Avatar *andiflipping* 12:19 AM 05-02-2006
Bumping this up for hopefully some more info...

I would like like to try one but I still can't tell which one
counterGOPI's Avatar counterGOPI 04:34 PM 05-12-2006
nevermind,a mama from MDC ruined it for us....
Pam_and_Abigail's Avatar Pam_and_Abigail 06:32 PM 06-27-2006
How? Ruined what? DO you mean co-ops? I think they'll re-open eventually...
momto l&a's Avatar momto l&a 06:56 PM 06-27-2006
We have SIGGS, they dent so easily when dropped.

They have so many cute designs

Cole Hardware has the biggest selection I found and good prices. They are online

Cant freeze in SIGGS, you can in Klean Kanteen
melissel's Avatar melissel 06:56 PM 06-27-2006
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How? Ruined what? DO you mean co-ops? I think they'll re-open eventually...
There was a co-op going elsewhere, but apparently Sigg doesn't actually allow them, and someone ratted it out.
mtnsnow's Avatar mtnsnow 12:43 PM 09-14-2007
Been lurking a long time, finally found something I could contribute to this great fourm!

This one looks promising.

Not shipping yet, sometime in October, but I think we will give this one a try.

http://www.thesafesippy.com

I like the round spout. Better for growing mouths/teeth for speech development etc.....

Doesn't look like it will dent as much as our sigg and klean kanteen with the nice insulation cover too.....

We will see!
Hazelnut's Avatar Hazelnut 02:33 PM 09-14-2007
I dislike sigg b/c you can't put ice cube in them and they are much harder to clean.

oh nevermind, didn't realize this was so old. looks like an ad for a new product.
Merilin's Avatar Merilin 03:19 PM 09-14-2007
Problem with sigg's are drinks, that have gas, they get soo smelly.

And they dent, and in extremer situations break (happened several times during my childhood). I despise the Sigg taste, which most bottle get after some time of use, even if cleaned regulary.

I am soo happy with the Kleen Kanteen, no smell, MUCH easier to clean, because of the wider mouth.
calebsmama03's Avatar calebsmama03 08:43 PM 09-14-2007
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Originally Posted by Past_VNE View Post
I'm extremely displeased with the unknown properties of the lining in the SIGG bottles.

Kleen Kanteens for us! We only put water in them the vast majority of the time, so I don't worry about the stainless.
Exactly! I am VERY distrustful of Sigg since they won't release exactly what is in the lining! Get a patent already and disclose the information. The fact that they haven't makes me think they are *trying* to hide what is in the lining. As to the testing showing they don't leach, allegedly Nalgene and other No7 plastic bottles don't leach *IF* they aren't scratched or heated. The earlier link stated several times that the sigg's have an unlimited useful life IF the coating remains undamaged.

ANyway, all that to say that even though siggs are way cuter, I go for KK (but also want to try Thermos). The KK sippy is on sale at reusable bags and there are 20% codes floating around here
sedalbj's Avatar sedalbj 11:55 PM 09-14-2007
I have a SIGG, Kleen Kanteen, and the Thermos Funtainer. We only use them for water. I like the SIGG b/c the spout is smaller and when i'm driving i have a lower chance of spilling all over myself. i like the KK because the spout is bigger and easier to clean. Neither leak, although you may get a few drips out of them. They both dent, the Sigg much more than the KK. The Sigg is lighter. The Sigg is so cute, the KK are almost ugly. The KK has a stainless steel taste, still, after at least 20 washes. That is disappointing, I was told it would take 2-3 washes to get rid of it. If I was bo guy again I would probably buy the Sigg b/c of the steel taste and the fact that I don't spill. My 3 yr old DD can also use it in the car (not the sippy spout) w/o spilling because of the smaller opening.

The funtainer is great, fairly easy to clean (w/ a pipecleaner in the straws), they don't leak when the top is closed. DD really likes them, and the water has no aftertaste.
TessMom's Avatar TessMom 01:27 PM 09-18-2007
I am soooooo excited about the new Safe Sippy.

I actually have known the woman who developed this product for almost 30 years and I KNOW what a stickler she is for getting what she wants and what she wanted was a safe cup...PERIOD. She and her husband have been spent the last couple of years doing research and developing this product. She insisted that nothing on the cup be toxic and they have put the cup through rigorous testing to make sure that nothing degrades over time that would allow chemicals to leach into our children's refreshments. They looked at every cup out there (and I mean EVERY one), read the blogs and saw people's complaints and tried to respond and improve on as many issues as they could...and they covered a lot of them!!! They wanted the cup to be safe, sturdy, attractive, functional, and practical. This whole cup is dishwasher safe btw...some are not. Also there is no paint on this cup anywhere so it will maintain its stylish looks and you don't have to worry about the chemical issues associated with paint! These cups hold a whopping 11 oz. to boot!

At the ABC Expo in Las Vegas retailers could not get to The Safe Sippy booth fast enough--they were the buzz of the show. Some of the BIG retailers that we all know (and love?) have appointments to develop cups specifically for their stores but believe me when I tell you that the integrity of the cups will not be compromised--she would rather walk away from a big deal than put out something she was not completely satisfied with. The smaller stores cannot wait to get their cups either and they should be getting them soon!!!

I am eagerly awaiting my cups and cannot wait to see them in stores. If you want one and cannot find them, I know you can call or email and place your order directly from the numbers on their website. Bret and Mindy will be happy to help you!!!!

www.thesafesippy.com
Their website is undergoing some final finishing touches and should be up and running soon, but for now at least you can see these gorgeous cups and get an idea of what is coming. OH!!!!! They will be putting out water bottles for us parents, and larger kid cups soon and I can hardly wait!!!!
Pariah's Avatar Pariah 02:47 PM 09-18-2007
We love our Klean Kanteen. Never had any problems with it, no bad tastes, no leaking, etc.
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