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Are older lots of pediatric vaccines which contain thimerosal as a preservative still on the shelves in doctor’s offices and being used in the U.S.?

With the exception of some influenza vaccines and tetanus-diphtheria (Td) vaccines (given to children age 7 and older), the last lots of recommended childhood vaccines which contained thimerosal as a preservative expired by early 2003.


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Furthermore, for those of you who think your child didn't get a full strength thimerosal-containing shot if they were born after 1999 . . .

. . . don't be so sure about that because there was no recall. Pediatricians buy vaccines in large numbers and since there was no recall, you can be sure most peds didn't just throw their unexpired vaccines out in the trash. Unless they had a conscience of course.


FROM THE CDC (cont'd):

Should immunization providers stop using licensed pediatric vaccines that contain thimerosal?

No. Immunization providers should use the vaccines available in their stock.
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2000 (still on the shelves)
2001 (still on the shelves)
2002 (still on the shelves)
2003 (still on the shelves)
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shame on those docs

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I hear ya chersolly.

In New York, our "ban" on mercury containing vaccines begins in 2008 and it has some pharma-protecting provisions.
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Thank you for posting this stuff LongIsland. I see to many mdc moms admit that they vaccinate but then they always quickly say "but I got the thermosal free vaxes!". Which is fine, but it makes me feel like they haven't really researched much if they believe that thermosal is really out of all vaxes or that it's the only toxin in them to worry about. I hope that many lurkers here are learning tons thanks to your info.

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hey Long Island..thanks for this info.
This is what I am trying to fine-tune in my own knowledge..
I know there was never any recall..and so many older vax have still been used. I know it was requested to be phased out..not everyone listened..but if some inserts are going ahead and admitting there are full amounts..and some admit it is used in manufacturing them but are removed so they admit trace amounts (I am not saying that is good either) do we not have to believe without clear indication otherwise that a handful...do not contain thimerosal..as preservative, adjuvant, or in the manufacture?
Indeed they use other goodies like aluminum and formadehyde..but not thimerosal..what are your thoughts on that?
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http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

scroll to tables..
and to make my position clear..it does not mean the other preservatives are safe..it just appears that some vax are produced without thimerosal..some are produced with it and trace amounts are left and some have a full amount.
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I'm not sure I understand what you're asking - do you want to know if this table is accurate?
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I guess,
do we think this table is accurate?
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Which of the three tables?
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While technically accurate, the first table is misleading in that it does not list HibTiter multi-dose in the table, only single dose. They do have a footnote regarding this formulation however, in my opinion it should be listed in the actual table:

HibTiITER was also manufactured in thimerosal-preservative containing multidose vials but these were no longer available after 2002.
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So I got the list of ds2's vax record from the health department and that includes the lot numbers(but not the brand name) so I could see how much thymerisol he actually got since the health department said that the vaccines they have now are thymerisol free and they have been in their facility since 2000. I told them that there were thymerisol free vaxes made but if they had any on their shelves that they could still have given him ones with the higher levels.

I cant find a record of the ingredients for these lot numbers. ANyone have any ideas as to where to search?
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Love this thread. Why?

Because I'm sick and tired of flyby posts in Vax where it is one line, "Mercury is no longer in Vaxes since '99' and then they leave........never to be seen again.

Just burns me.

this thread needs to be archived. So we can post a link the minute a flybyer does it again.

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Love this thread. Why?

Because I'm sick and tired of flyby posts in Vax where it is one line, "Mercury is no longer in Vaxes since '99' and then they leave........never to be seen again.



. . . and that statement is often made by flyby pediatricians no less.
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So I got the list of ds2's vax record from the health department and that includes the lot numbers(but not the brand name) so I could see how much thymerisol he actually got since the health department said that the vaccines they have now are thymerisol free and they have been in their facility since 2000. I told them that there were thymerisol free vaxes made but if they had any on their shelves that they could still have given him ones with the higher levels.

I cant find a record of the ingredients for these lot numbers. ANyone have any ideas as to where to search?
As far as I am aware, there is no lot number database which list thimerosal content. Do you have the manufacturer's name and the date administered? I contaced each manufacturer and we figured it out using old package inserts of what was available at the time of administration.
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Thanks for the info. The tables were interesting information. I gotta read the whole FDA document when I have more time.

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I dont have company info but I will ask the health dept again. I think I will have to ask each manufacturer. I dont have the inserts either. I didnt know to ask and no one offered them when vaxes were done. thanks for replying!
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The thimerosal-laced vaxes my 8 year old received were the Hep B (12.5 micrograms each dose) and DTaP (25 micrograms each dose). It was easy for me to find out b/c there were no TF (or reduced) formulations at that time for brands he was given.

If you got his shots at the health department, I would not count on all those shots they were administering being thimerosal free in 2000. No way . . . not with the amount of doses health departments need to stockpile. The CDC/AAP made the recommendation in July 1999 . . . and the department claims they no longer administered thimerosal-containing vaxes in 2000 . . . I don't know about that. What did they do with their thimerosal-containing doses - we know they didn't throw them out.

Merck was still producing full strength Hep. B well after the recommendation.

Can you list the information you have, with the adminstration dates.
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continued . . .

March 2005
LA Times article in pdf


http://www.safeminds.org/pressroom/p...n-Vaccines.pdf

Drug maker Merck & Co. continued to supply infant vaccine containing a mercury-based preservative for two years after declaring that it had eliminated the chemical.

In September 1999, amid rising concern about the risks of mercury in childhood vaccines, Merck announced that the Food and Drug Administration had approved a preservative-free version of its hepatitis B vaccine.

"Now, Merck's infant vaccine line," the company's press release said, "is free of all preservatives."

But Merck continued to distribute vaccine containing the chemical known as thimerosal, along with the new product, until October 2001, according to an FDA letter sent in response to a congressional inquiry.

The thimerosal-containing supplies had expiration dates in 2002.
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When I was deciding about vaxing ds#1 in 2001 I remember some info that they were supposed to stop manufacturing the MMR vax w/ thimerisol as of March 2001. I asked my doc about it and she said she removed them from the her shelves and only had the new. A year or so later there was a story that the vaccine manufacturer (don't know which one) did not actually remove the thimerisol but just changed the labeling. While it was discovered that they did this they were not penalized in any way. Does anyone else remember this happening? I didn't keep anything I read about it and haven't been able to find anything.
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When I was deciding about vaxing ds#1 in 2001 I remember some info that they were supposed to stop manufacturing the MMR vax w/ thimerisol as of March 2001. I asked my doc about it and she said she removed them from the her shelves and only had the new.
Could you be thinking of another vax? It definitely wasn't the MMR - it's a live vaccine. Could it be Merck's Hep. B? Read my post just above yours and see if it sounds familiar. We posted at about the same time, so you probably missed it.
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LI,
Here is the info i have on his vax record.
90700 1 DTP-1 DTaP 04/23/2002 DTPA542A2
90700 2 DTP-2 DTaP 06/24/2002 U0547DA
90700 3 DTP-3 DTaP 10/02/2002 STPA573B9

PV Polio Series
90713 1 IPV 04/23/2002 UO422-2
90713 2 IPV 06/24/2002 UO8224-2
90713 3 IPV 10/02/2002 UO199-2

HBV Hepatitis B
90748 1 HBV 04/23/2002 0934L
90748 2 HBV 06/24/2002 1366L
90748 3 HBV 02/26/2003 0741L

MMR
90707 1 MMR 02/26/2003 0857M

VAR Varicella
90716 1 VAR 02/26/2003 1296L

HIB Haemophilis Influenza B
90748 1 HIB 04/23/2002 0934L
90748 2 HIB 06/24/2002 1366L
90748 3 HIB 02/26/2003 0741L

PRV Prevnar
90669 1 Prev 04/23/2002 486-805
90669 2 Prev 06/24/2002 486-805
90669 3 Prev 10/02/2002 489-875
90669 4 Prev 02/26/2003 491-166


What I noticed is that he received the HIB, MMR, HepB ,varicella and prevnar all in one day. I thought they were not supposed to give more then one live virus at once. Isnt the chicken pox and mmr both live?

Also is the HIB a flu shot of some sorts? Does that mean it would have had the full thymerisol amount?
After typing this out I am so disgusted, with myself and the health dept. I dont beleive that they had gotten rid of all their vaccines that had thymerisol and I told them that they could have used up what they had and I wouldnt have known what we got unless I asked to see the inserts.

Can the manufacturers just change the label and not reduce the amounts?
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LI,
will you post the info that you have in #9 post from "reading inserts" into this thread?

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Could you be thinking of another vax? It definitely wasn't the MMR - it's a live vaccine. Could it be Merck's Hep. B? Read my post just above yours and see if it sounds familiar. We posted at about the same time, so you probably missed it.
could be the Hep B. thanks for that info. while i was confused about which vaccine, i am glad you posted that important info. i think people really need to know how deceitful the drug companies are.

i am a bit confused about the live vaccines. do they contain thimerisol or not?
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Here is the info i have on his vax record.
90700 1 DTP-1 DTaP 04/23/2002 DTPA542A2
90700 2 DTP-2 DTaP 06/24/2002 U0547DA
90700 3 DTP-3 DTaP 10/02/2002 STPA573B9

HBV Hepatitis B
90748 1 HBV 04/23/2002 0934L
90748 2 HBV 06/24/2002 1366L
90748 3 HBV 02/26/2003 0741L

HIB Haemophilis Influenza B
90748 1 HIB 04/23/2002 0934L
90748 2 HIB 06/24/2002 1366L
90748 3 HIB 02/26/2003 0741L

I thought they were not supposed to give more then one live virus at once. Isnt the chicken pox and mmr both live?

Also is the HIB a flu shot of some sorts? Does that mean it would have had the full thymerisol amount?

Can the manufacturers just change the label and not reduce the amounts?
Can you get the manufacturer of the Hib, Hep and DTaP? They have to note this information in your child's records.

They can give more than one live virus at a time. They actually just recently approved ProQuad, which is the MMR + chicken pox.

Hib doesn't have anything to do with influenza - I'll post some information on Hib for you.
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Does the FDA follow the guidelines listed by the WHO? Does pharma use "preservative free" or "thimerosal free" on their packaging of vaccines with thimerosal in "trace" amounts?


I'm going to try to answer my own question. The CDC officially states:

Today, with the exception of some influenza vaccine, none of the vaccines used to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative. (Those with a concentration of less than 0.0002% contain what is considered “trace,” or insignificant, amounts.)

If the CDC considers vaccines containing trace amounts to have no thimerosal, then pharma is able to label it's packaging as both preservative free and thimerosal free. From what I remember, the label can make this claim, however, the package insert must state the trace concentration.
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My son was born in Feb 2002 and received a mercury laced Hep B shot in the hospital when he was only 9 hours old. Three weeks later he started crying 5 hours a day every day until he was 5 months old. My son made all developmental milestones on time until me received the MMR and Varicella at 12 months. He stopped developing and after shots at 15 months became autistic. Anyone that thinks thimerosal is out of all vaccines need to think again. Flu shots for pregnant women and babies still have mercury(at least trace amounts if not full amounts)my daughter became autistic after a flu shot she received at 6 1/2 months. Shots for children going into kindergarten are not required to be thimerosal free either. I met some Moms at an autism conference last May that had kids that did not become autistic until they received booster vaccines to start kindergarten. Bottom line for everyone-educate before you vaccinate!
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i am a bit confused about the live vaccines. do they contain thimerisol or not?
The MMR does not contain thimerosal. Let me know if you'd like to see the package insert.
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