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Please note that as of now, March, 2010 I have once again updated this cheat sheet. There were some broken links to threads in MDC that I needed to either resurrect or replace, I also dumped broken links to outside MDC... -Tracy


The other vax list:

FIRST OFF

If you are reading this list for the first time you may feel a bit overwhelmed. Take a deep breath and know this: You do not have to follow the doctor’s schedule for vaccinating your baby. You are well within your rights to delay until you make whatever decision makes you comfortable. This is your child, and your child deserves a well-educated decision, which can only be achieved by viewing all sides of an issue then choosing the path that is best for your child.


BACKGROUND

I decided to put together a list of links and books for those people who periodically ask me for vax information. When I say vax information I mean the “other” vax information.

There is one general vax assumption out there which pulsates like a drum beat….it says, “JUST DO IT.” There are plenty of ways one can get that information which says, 'just do it'...it’s just about anywhere....posters, websites, doctor's offices.. 99 percent of all mainstream parenting websites.. you get the drift..

However, I’ve compiled this list for those people who are questioning vaxing and the possible long term effects of it…..who just wonder about it.. who feel a little tug in their guts... this list may be of some help to that group that just can't quite run out and "just do it"... Anyway, here are the links I learned about from friends, from my own researching, and from the mothering.com community of likeminded moms.



HARD NUMBERS


For me, I think the first place to begin is with hard numbers--Just how many cases of all these vax-diseases do we get here in the united states? (by the way, if you are out of the us I recommend you search your country’s online stats)

Here is a page to the CDC. Take a look and see the number of cases that are current for this year.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html

if you download the current issue it gives you the most up-to-date stat that the cdc has on the reportable diseases by the way, the stats are at the end of the document. Anyway, I would start there first.


But just to give you an idea:
Here are the hard numbers for 2009. This is what I found for the last week of the year... http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5851md.htm

.. this is the total amount of cases reported to the CDC for 2009.....

Total reported cases to the cdc:

Disease Cases

Diptheria 0
Measles 61
Mumps 977
Rubella 4
Congenital rubella 1
Tetanus 12
Hib (under 5)
Sero b-21
Non sero b-201
Unknown b-213



Out of a population of 300 million people in the united states!!

If you check it now, you will see the number of cases for the year as of now (well to be specific as of last Friday..they update the list on Fridays or weekends-from what I can tell).

Remember it is a cumulative list... it is not that many cases per week. It's the year to date.

I will say that critics of the CDC will say that the numbers don't reflect all the cases since sometimes the cases are so mild they don't even get reported or people don't even go to the doctors because the symptoms are so manageable. And if you are like me, and are on the older side and remember growing up with childhood diseases and are not as in fear of them...the disease count might not mean as much..but I just wanted to offer it up because I know how important it is for the discussion.

anyway, if also you want to know how many people died of a disease--go to this link. plug in the disease.

http://wonder.cdc.gov/

If you haven't done much research and this is the first time you've poked around in these files.. well, you will be probably shocked by how small a number it is.



HARD NUMBERS ONE MORE TIME

Can we just go back to the topic of “hard numbers” …one more time.....

One of the smartest things a friend of mine who doesn’t vax said over and over again when I started to question vaxing (before my son was born) “start to figure out what your child is really at risk of getting.” And then weigh the risks of the vax to the real risks of getting the disease.

For example:
I live in a county with ten million people. Ten million people, that’s a lot. The last figures available online from the county health department were for 1999. That year there was one (1) case of measles reported. It was in a 44 year old woman.

There were also 250 cases of pertussis, (whooping cough) 250 out of 10 million is not much of a stat and then when I looked closer at the records I saw that of the 250 people, a certain percentage were children and of those children most had been vaxed for the disease. Only two children of the 250 were not vaxed and they were in a poor neighborhood with poor nutrition and possibly weakened immunity…Again in a county of ten million.

Also, periodically there are reports that come out stating that a city is experiencing an “epidemic” of pertussis. But what the article doesn’t say is the number of pertussis cases that make an "epidemic" and of those cases many are in vaxed or partially vaxed children. There is an assumption made that it is always non vaxed children who get pertussis or are responsible for the rise of the disease. I hate that assumption and I really hate reporters who don’t do their homework. And most don't.

I actually wonder if my own pediatrician knows those numbers… he probably does not…because that is the kind of research only parents who question have the dedication to find out….and seriously.. we should be the ones who do this. Not my son's pediatrician who by the way, is a very dedicated man and loves children. But that is not the point.. it is my duty to do the work.

More stats to consider

Polio has been eradicated in the western hemisphere and western Europe. As of 200 there were around 1600 cases of it world wide.

if you go to this link you will get the current numbers.

http://www.polioeradication.org/casecount.asp


And then there is the data on vaccine injuries...kept by US dept of health..basically a summery of the most dangerous vaxes...here is a link that contains that link plus more:

http://www.thememoryhole.org/health/...s_vaccines.htm



MORE LINKS ON VAX

Then these links are valuable for information about vaxes and vax damages and other associations with vaccines.

I know that some of these websites rub some people wrong...for a variety of reasons..and sure some of them can bug even me...but I feel like I should offer them up just for you to check out.


http://www.mothering.com/sections/experts/tenpenny.html




http://home.san.rr.com/via/


http://www.vaccineinfo.net/


http://www.vaclib.org./


http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/articles/p162.htm


www.mercola.com




more on vax ingredients

Click on the brand name and the product insert will open up. The ingredients are listed at the beginning of each insert

http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm



http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm
http://www.**********/general32/thru.htm

http://befreetech.com/vaccine_poisons.htm

Here is Sheri Nakken's site...her site is loaded with info.

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm


This organization is not necessarily where you go for vax information, but this is an institute that is passionately working on autism and helping parents and released the report last year about the epidemic proportion of autism in California. Caveat: the man who started this organization, his son developed autism after the MMR and he has been very vocal about such.

http://mindinstitute.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/

INSERTS


A doctor is suppose to give you the inserts whenever they give your child a shot….I must say, from what I understand (since I skipped shots for my son) that usually for some reason doesn’t happen….
Anyway, here is a link to those inserts

http://www.vaclib.org/chapter/inserts.htm

REACTIONS TO SHOTS AT VARIOUS WELL BABY VISITS

If you go to this link you will find various members of MDC who's children had Reactions. Please read.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...play.php?f=240





STATE STUFF

There was a pretty thorough state by state thread on MDC but it is gone now, so I have resurrected this state thread. Basically the purpose of this thread was to help people go to their State Government websites and find out how many reported diseases there were in their area. Unfortunately, the nature of state governments is to change their websites a lot so some of the links within this thread may be broken. But I will try to clean up this thread with updated links. But you might want to check and see if your state is there and if the link is still good.


http://www.mothering.com/discussions...=1#post2134786


WHAT EXEMPTIONS CAN I USE IN MY STATE FOR MY NON VAX CHILD TO GO TO SCHOOL?

http://www.909shot.com/state-site/state-exemptions.htm

and here is an example of exemption document you can offer your doctor if they want you to sign something.

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/refuselt.htm

any legal concerns?

http://www.vaccineexemption.org/


MORE DISCUSSION THREADS:

Mothers on mdc have many hours of research in each of them… here are some informative links to those discussions..

And for goodness sake, take your time.. you don't have to read all these threads at once. Just tackle it bit by bit.

topic: Reasons why some people don’t vax


http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hlight=reasons


topic: Everyday life with my unvaxed child

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...older+children


topic: What about Mercury and what the CDC knew about it?

There was a transcript indicating that the CDC recognized the danger of the continued use of thimerosal in vaccines, even through their own study showed a correlation. They never released the "Generation Zero" study, but instead manipulated their own data. The transcript of the closed door secret meeting convened by the CDC in 2000, in Simpsonwood, Georgia after the AAP recommended the removal of thimerosal from (childhood) vaccines. That link is no longer on the CDC site. but if you go here you may glean more from the event.


http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/Simp...%20%20Rico.htm



topic: besides mercury why I don't vax....

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...light=confused

topic: Timeline of Thimerosal Controversy
(note--from Motherjones)

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feat..._timeline.html



Is thimerasol still in vaxes?

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ght=thimerasol




topic: Is there a correlation btw eczema and certain vaccines

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ghlight=eczema



topic: tetanus

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=318926




topic: my kid isn't vaxed but yours is..

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...&highlight=kid



topic: Flu thread

every year there is hype and drama about this year's flu...and well, it almost always is the same info..anyway, here is the thread form 2003...it can help pretty much every year.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...light=flu+2003


topic: chicken pox

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ht=chicken+pox

topic: does stopping vaxes midstream negate earlier vaxs

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ight=midstream


CANADA

Here is a canada link that might be helpful for those in canada


http://www.vaclib.org/exempt/canada.htm


WIC STUFF

and for those who receive assistance and are afraid that you HAVE to vax or might lose wic .... please check this out:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...hreadid=111461



ANTIBIOTICS

And this thread is very important in my opinion…even if you decide to vax…please, please, please..don’t ever do it after antibiotics…delay way, way, way after..

edit to add:
I should say that some of the postings got edited out for various reasons..primarily to protect the poster. But basically, the patterns that have popped up... baby gets ear infections,.. gets antibiiotics, the antibiotics wipe out the good stuff in the intestines. then the baby gets something like MMR and the measles run amock in the intestines because there is no good flora to fight them... anyway at a conference in chicago in late spring 2003, this was brought up as part of the link in why autistic children have more measles in their systems than other children... (do a google search on Dr. Geier you should find them)
but here is this abbreviated thread from health and healing

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...=1#post2134917

But if you want more info… please put the word “antibiotics” in the search engine on Vax and you’ll get more discussion.

Roll call: Autism/Vax damage

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...=autism+damage


Roll call: Pertussis experience

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ight=pertussis


SO I AM WONDERING ABOUT NUTRITION

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=406983


OKAY.. COULD IT BE MORE THAN VAXES THAT CAUSE AUTISM?

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ghlight=AUTISM




BACK ISSUES OF MOTHERING

And speaking of Mothering… some back issues of the magazine have been completely dedicated to this issue and I recommend you poke around at this site and see if you might want to pick up some.

look here:

http://www.mothering.com/shop/back_issues.html


BOOKS TO READ

Get thy butt to Amazon or your local book chains


And finally here are books (with amazon.com links), which are very, very and very important to know about…read, study etc…. I started with Nuestadder’s book but I encourage you to check out the amazon links and see where you want to start.. (note: I provided the links to amazon..but if you want to help mothering.com, please consider purchasing the books via Powell’s books which you will find the link here on mothering.com…a portion of the purchase will come back to mothering)

· The Vaccine Guide: Making an Informed Choice by Randall Neustaedter, Randall the Immunization Decision Neusdaedter (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846


· How to Raise a Healthy Child in Spite of Your Doctor by Robert S. Mendelsohn (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books


· Confessions of a Medical Heretic by Robert S. Mendelsohn (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=UTF8&v=glance

Just a Little Prick by Peter and Hilary Butler
http://www.amazon.com/Just-Little-Pr.../dp/0473108445


· A Shot in the Dark: Why the P in the Dpt Vaccination May Be Hazardous to Your Child's Health by Harris L. Coulter, Barbara Loe Fisher (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books


· Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective by Neil Z. ******, et al (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books


Jamie Murphy. What Every Parent Should know about Childhood Immunization

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...894397-2579829


· The Immunization Resource Guide : Where to Find Answers to All Your Questions about Childhood Vaccinations by Diane Rozario (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books

· What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations by Stephanie Cave, Deborah Mitchell (Contributor) (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=UTF8&v=glance


· Smart Medicine for a Healthier Child: A Practical A-To-Z Reference to Natural and Conventional Treatments for Infants and Children by Janet Zand, et al (Paperback)
· I should say, this book is pro-vax..which I am not thrilled about…but the other stuff is very, very helpful)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books


· Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide: How to Make Safe, Sensible Decisions about the Risks, Benefits, and Alternatives by Aviva Jill Romm (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...894397-2579829


· The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination Is Not Immunization - Sixth Edition - 2003 -- Tim O'Shea; Paperback

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books


· Naturally Healthy Babies & Children: A Commonsense Guide to Herbal Remedies by Aviva Jill Romm, William Sears (Paperback)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=books


IN CLOSING

And finally, this really should be stated over and over again….

NO ONE HAS TO FOLLOW ANY DOCTOR’S RULES FOR VAXING. MEANING YOU DON’T HAVE TO FOLLOW THE DOCTOR’S SCHEDULE. YOU MAKE YOUR OWN. IF YOU WANT TO DELAY VAXING UNTIL YOU’VE DONE YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THAT DECISION THEN THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. DELAY UNTIL YOU ARE SURE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING. AND NOT ONE MINUTE BEFORE. REMEMBER IT IS YOUR CHILD. NOT YOUR DOCTOR’S.

good luck and happy researching!

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