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Why not take Ester-C? I just spent $30 on a big bottle of it!! Can I at least finish this bottle, or is it so bad I should stop now? I purchased it because I thought it was "gentler" than sodium ascorbate and ascorbic acid.

Me too! Oh my goodness, I wish I had read this thread. Thanks Montezuma for all the info. I'll finish my bottle then get some sodium ascorbate!

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Ah, the bull-dog stance, as dh calls it...

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Suseyblue,

What brand did you find at whole foods? I was there yesterday and only found liquid C in the ascorbic acid form. Maybe if I know which brand to look for I'll have more luck.

For the moment I'll grind up those large chewable wafers and try to find some kind of food that DD will eat to put them in. That is the real challenge.

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Suseyblue,

What brand did you find at whole foods? I was there yesterday and only found liquid C in the ascorbic acid form. Maybe if I know which brand to look for I'll have more luck.

For the moment I'll grind up those large chewable wafers and try to find some kind of food that DD will eat to put them in. That is the real challenge.

oh yeah, the liquid c's are only ascorbic acid. i thought i was clearer about not being able to find sodium ascorbate here for love or money. (i hate buying stuff online, although if i can find a paypal taking one i may have to go there.) right now if the choice was chewable or liquid whatever, i'd have to go with liquid- my kids have perfect teeth, mine suck, & i want to keep theirs perfect. bad teeth are expensive, painful, and lead to health problems in themselves.

now when someone finds a nice liquid sodium ascorbate, won't we all burn a path to their door!

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I knew I should have read here first. I have been gone for awhile visiting with my parents and now that they left, I went to the health store to get some of this stuff. I came out with calcium ascorbate. Grrr..I went in saying sodium but the person there said something was wrong with that type of vit c.

Oh well. Will use it up I guess then get the right stuff. Will do some reading so I know my butt from the ground ya know.
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Sasssyblue,

Thanks for the info. FWIW, I am taking my DDs chewables (SA) & grinding them up and adding them to her milk. Sort of like a liquid. LOL. Just until I finish the bottle. Then I'll buy the powder.

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Hullo -- reviving this thread now that we're in the midst of cold and flu season (at least on this side of the world!).

I just skimmed the whole thread and can't find a recommended dosage for little peeps. I have a 32 lb 4 yo and a 24 lb 15 mos old (so close in weight, but not sure if the ages are important). How much S.A. should they be getting? (and I don't mean according to the FDA -- I mean for REAL health)

and don't you think Vit C is a great natural antihistimine? Ped here is rx'ing daily Claritin for ds1's likely dust mite allergies, which then lead to frequent (okay, let's say CONSTANT) colds and viruses.

Am hoping MT is still around and reading . . .
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(my kids eat A LOT of raw oranges/tangerines with much of the white left on, so i hope that is helping on the bioflavinoid front. it is tricky till they get where they can swallow capsules, isn't it?)
According to some teacher my mom had in a master gardening class last year the part of the orange that has the greatest amount of C is the peel. The orange part we eat has a very low % of C.
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Hullo -- reviving this thread now that we're in the midst of cold and flu season (at least on this side of the world!).

I just skimmed the whole thread and can't find a recommended dosage for little peeps. I have a 32 lb 4 yo and a 24 lb 15 mos old (so close in weight, but not sure if the ages are important). How much S.A. should they be getting?
It depends on the child. I start at 250 mg per kg of body weight.

1 kg = 2.2 pounds. so your 32 lb one, is 14.5 kgs, x 250 mgs = 3,636 mgs over waking hours.

24 lbs divided by 2.2= 9.9 x 250 = 2,475 mgs over waking hours. Obviously I don't worry about exact numbers. 1,000 mgs = 1/4 level tsp. so I eyeball it from there.

If that doesn't bring results, I up the dose.

Our youngest needs almost double the dose the oldest needs.

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and don't you think Vit C is a great natural antihistimine? Ped here is rx'ing daily Claritin for ds1's likely dust mite allergies, which then lead to frequent (okay, let's say CONSTANT) colds and viruses.

Am hoping MT is still around and reading . . .
For my husband it certainly is. He was able to drop all antihistamine medication once he got onto a decent dose of vitamin c.

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It depends on the child. I start at 250 mg per kg of body weight.

1 kg = 2.2 pounds. so your 32 lb one, is 14.5 kgs, x 250 mgs = 3,636 mgs over waking hours.

24 lbs divided by 2.2= 9.9 x 250 = 2,475 mgs over waking hours. Obviously I don't worry about exact numbers. 1,000 mgs = 1/4 level tsp. so I eyeball it from there.
Wow! That's A LOT! My own bowel tolerance, when I'm not ill, is only at 3,000 mg/day. Do you think maybe I should do bowel testing with my babes? Hmm. Am trying to think if I know how to do that . . .

Thanks, MT. Knew you could help!
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WHOAAA... thanks for the list, but I most say that I do feel a bit overwhelmed.. this definitely needs some studyind on my end! is there a way to learn how much to give of each vit and mineral... age? weight? during healthy times.. health + winter (or when surroundings might likely have lots of germs etc floating around..) and of course when not well? forgive me if this was all mentioned already, please... I haven't had a chance to study the post yet.. and THANKS AGAIN!!
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sorry for the redundant typing.. i started typing b4 the Q was asked and then so promptly answered.. by the time i posted.. my Q was already answered.. more Q's later after babe is in bed, then i'll type w/2 hands
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Wow! That's A LOT! My own bowel tolerance, when I'm not ill, is only at 3,000 mg/day. Do you think maybe I should do bowel testing with my babes? Hmm. Am trying to think if I know how to do that . . .

Thanks, MT. Knew you could help!
Oh... were you talking about "normal"? I thought you meant when she was sick. That is the base-level for if your child is sick....

It depends on the person Breathe. It's not a lot when you are really ill. The body chews up vitamin C so fast in infectiou, its incredible.

On a good normal day, when I don't go out, 7 grams will take me to bowel tolerance. But I'm a workaholic. On a bad day, if I go to the city and have to put up with fumes etc, I will need over 40 grams.

But when I'm sick, that can go through the roof.

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Oh, forgot to answer, Breathe. AGain, that depends on the child. For normal dosage, I work a baseline of 50 mgs per kg of body weight, and then work up from there. It's experimentation really. So your 32 lbs child would be around 750 mgs per day... but again, it depends on the child. Pogo sticks appear to need more.....
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so if I got it correctly, for healthy child 50mg/kg and for healthy adult 100mg/kg??

how much can be taken at once? how long must we wait between each dose?

how to know if we're getting enuf vit. and minerals? where do we find these.. how best to do this pracitcallly?

in an earlier post MT wrote the following:

<<<<<Now, lets look at Vitamin C itself. For me, Vitamin C does not work very well, alone. I need to take other vitamins with it. I have to take Vitamin A. (By the way, vitamin C is very useful to help clear symptoms of vitamin A toxicity is someone has been stupid enough to overdose)I also need magnesium, and zinc. Vitamin F is made more effective when plenty of vitamin C is taken. Pantothenic Acid is more effective with Vitamin C. So is B15, para-aminobenzoic Acid, B6, B2, B1,Vitamin E, Calcium.>>>>>

I have to admit I only followed about half... vit F??? some other phrases too... can we get a '101' for this paragraph

on another note: I have been giving the C to my kids in hot water w/ honey... is it terrible to do this in plastic cup??

Thanks MT and all educated others for your endless patience in explaining something we should all learn in highschool!!
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so if I got it correctly, for healthy child 50mg/kg and for healthy adult 100mg/kg??
About that, but again, it depends on the immune system

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how much can be taken at once? how long must we wait between each dose?
I guess. And I'm the world's worst pill taker, so they get taken when I walk past and happen to remember... and if I don't, then I take a bolus dose at night....

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how to know if we're getting enuf vit. and minerals?
Vitamin C, I know by how I feel... minerals is a bit harder, but because the index symptom for me with magnesium deficiency was the "interjection" of ectopic heart beats and irregular beats with flutters, and they have now gone,... that's how I know I've got enough magnesium. And it requires 1,400 mgs for me, to keep the heart stable.

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where do we find these.. how best to do this pracitcallly?
I don't know. I don't live in the USA. Ideally, if commercial vegetable and fruit growers did their "job" properly we shouldn't need to do this at all

The other way is to grow some of your own, majoring on good organic compost (by that I mean, not putting sprayed stuff in your compost heap...) and using rock dust which puts back a lot of the minerals. Just make sure the soil isn't too acid, or the minerals won't be absorbed.

That's another thing. If you body is acid, its harder to absorb minerals... and that is also where magnesium comes in.... or dolomite... if you have enough of that, your body won't be so acid, and you will absorb minerals better...

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in an earlier post MT wrote the following:

<<<<<Now, lets look at Vitamin C itself. For me, Vitamin C does not work very well, alone. I need to take other vitamins with it. I have to take Vitamin A. (By the way, vitamin C is very useful to help clear symptoms of vitamin A toxicity is someone has been stupid enough to overdose)I also need magnesium, and zinc. Vitamin F is made more effective when plenty of vitamin C is taken. Pantothenic Acid is more effective with Vitamin C. So is B15, para-aminobenzoic Acid, B6, B2, B1,Vitamin E, Calcium.>>>>>
Vitamin F - Essential Fatty acids. http://www.anyvitamins.com/vitamin-f...acids-info.htm

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some other phrases too... can we get a '101' for this paragraph
I think... it would be best if those who want a 101 looked at buying a book showing vitamin and mineral interactions, or did a google search on it which will save me writing a book but seriously, its something everyone should bone up on, because infectious diseases are very much affected by minerals and vitamins, and if your child is constantly sick, its an issue any parent needs to get to grips with.

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on another note: I have been giving the C to my kids in hot water w/ honey... is it terrible to do this in plastic cup??
Well, I would get it into them any way possible. I'd rather you used a plastic cup than kiddo decided to bite the side out of glass.

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in explaining something we should all learn in highschool!!
Yeah, well they wouldn't do something as sensible as that now would they? They after all support maximum business and income expansion for sectors most useful to Wall Street. If they educated you there, then the pharmaceuticals and doctors would have to earn a real living wouldn't they? And just think what would happen to people's share portfolios?
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i hope i'm not 'going to get it' for asking again... before doing my own research.. thank G-d my kids are usually healthy... only one ended up w/ mumps... (should I have tried harder to spread it around??... usually only one or two colds a winter (hope I didn't ttf!!)

can we do an abridged definition session.. fatty acids, vit f , i understand this is found in fish oil, flax seedm oil? can you give examples of the b's (15, 6, 1, 2) ..and those acids (panto... and para.. ) i'm really stuck on those.. are there other more simple terms for these..? one more before i go, how do we know if our bodies are 'acidy'?? I WILL READ UP... so if you're fed up w/ me... i totally understand if your patience is spent!
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Here you go....

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I was just going to bump this - I've been reading it this morning and it's full of great information!

Okay, one question and sorry if it was already addressed somewhere and I missed it inbetween reading and tending my boys.

What is "ascorbate acid" if the label doesn't specify? Personally I take usually 2000mg of sodium ascorbate with rose hips each night (pill form) but also have some vit c powder that I put in smoothies for the boys and I (I have found I can tolerate 4000mg a day at least), but the label only says "ascorbate acid". I'm calling around town today to see if anyone carries sodium ascorbate, and if not, I'm breaking down and ordering it online.

Thanks! This forum rocks! (And MT, you never fail to amaze me with the amount of information you know and have taught yourself - I hope to have that much information in my head eventually.)

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Just another thanks for this info. I'm being forced to shift into high "clean up my diet" gear right now, so this is very helpful.
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Any suggestions on how to get the vit c into a 2 year old? She doesn't eat a lot of soft foods I can mix it with.

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, Momtezuma Tuatara for all the awesome info. It's exactly what I needed to know right now!

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Any suggestions on how to get the vit c into a 2 year old? She doesn't eat a lot of soft foods I can mix it with.

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