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My son just turned 4. He is a very healthy lil guy.
He will be getting his 4 year check soon.
I have not given him the chicken pox vaccine yet.
I had planned on not giving it to him and letting him get it nautrally. But, now I am second guessing myself.
Can someone tell me why NOT to....or why I should do it.


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Why would you even consider injecting your child with toxins and viruses? Because you're scared of chickenpox? I see no reason to even consider it.

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1. CP is not a serious disease
2. The vax can cause shingles
3. The vax immunity wears off leaving your child susceptible to CP as an adult when it can b more serious

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But, now I am second guessing myself.
Can someone tell me why NOT to....or why I should do it.
This may be a language issue, in that words don't always mean in this country what they might mean in yours (I;m not USA). I don't know what you mean by second guessing myself.

I'm presuming you knew why you weren't going to do it, and now you are having second thoughts?

What were your first thoughts other than hoping he get it naturally? What has wavered that thought?

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vax ingredients include among other lovelies.... aborted fetal tissue , chick embroys , etc...

When did cp get to be such a horrid dangerous disease ? If you look into you'll see the answer is "When they decided to mass market the vax".

My dd has had cp several times. And we survived just fine.

what exactly are you afraid of ?
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Keep in mind that junior won't be getting just one (1) dose of Varivax . . . he'll be getting TWO DOSES.
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2. The vax can cause shingles
The chicken pox vaccine also causes . . . chicken pox.
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Does someone have a pros and cons page with facts and %?
The reason why I am concerned is that my brother had them and he was covered head to toe (inside eye lids, up the nose, int he mouth..everywhere). He has scars on his face and body from them. So, I am trying to figure out if the vaccine will prevent my son from having the pain on chickenpox and also the lasting effects of deep scars.

As for it not supplying life long immunity cant they give a booster as an adult? I had to have the vaccine (I am 23 and got it after having my son). They gave me 2 different blood tests to see if I was immune and it came back "inconclusive" and I wanted to be safer than really sorry.


Thank you all for your time.
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Because it doesn't work - vaxed kids everywhere are turning up with CP.

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My friend from hs gave it to her daughter and her daughter got it. Her daughter is 6.
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Is it true that the cases are "milder" with the vaccine VS no vaccine?
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I have a lot of scarring from chicken pox, and I would never have wanted my parents to vaccinate me for it. It's just a scar, way better than death by vaccine or something.

For us though the biggest factor was the aborted fetal tissue, or human albumin. Yuck.
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Is it true that the cases are "milder" with the vaccine VS no vaccine?
They say chickenpox is milder in vaccinated children, but then my husband and I had children (second marriage) who got chickenpox at the same time as his vaccinated grandchildren. They got it way way worse than our unvaccinated children got it. One of them got was really bad with spots in her throat and vagina, and what looked to me like mild encephalitis.

It depends on the diet and the immune system of the child.

If your child/adult eats the normal SAD american diet expect more trouble from most childhood illnesses. Really healthy mineral rich kids, who don't eat junk don't usually get these diseases with any problems.

And the same applies to adults.

But if you are really nervous about the whole deal, and feel that natural chickenpox is too much to cope with then get the shot. Then if its really bad, it won't be becuase you didn't vaccinate.

Yes, with chickenpox shot you can expect two shots, maybe a booster, and then probably 20 yearly boosters with Zostavax or whatever the shingles version is called.

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Is it true that the cases are "milder" with the vaccine VS no vaccine?
i think thats just what drs like to say to get people to get the vax and make it seem less severe if the kid gets CP after the vax.

its really impossible to know if the case of CP is milder if the kid was vaxed or not. each person responds to diseases and vaxes differently. i'm sure there are vaxed kids out there who got CP and had mild cases. but there's also unvaxed kids out there who also had mild cases. and both vaxed and unvaxed kids who had awful cases to CP. it all depends on the individual's system and health at the time (like MT mentioned).

it would be impossible to test this theory because once the vax is given to an individual and then he/she is exposed to CP, we cant go back in time to take the vax out and reexpose the kid to CP to compare the cases, kwim?

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20. How long does the vaccine protect someone against chickenpox? Will a booster vaccination be needed?

The length of protection/immunity from any new vaccine is never known when it is first introduced. However, available information collected from persons vaccinated in Japan in the United States show that protection has lasted for as long as the vaccinated persons have been followed (25 years in Japan and more than 10 years in the U.S.). Follow up studies to determine how long protection will last and to evaluate the need and timing for booster vaccination, are ongoing. If it is determined in the future that a booster dose is necessary, your health care provider will inform you. Currently, no booster dose is recommended.
http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vaccine/varic...-lengthprotect
the cdc must not have updated their site recently, because a CP booster was just recommended. i'm not sure what ages its recommended for though or when this goes into effect.


my 19 year old sister got the vax after it came out. (my brother and i had CP before she was born, and for some reason, she never caught it before age 6 or so.) she's in college and living at home, and i know she just got a few shots (meningitis and somethign else stupid) that are "strongly recommended" for college and studying abroad. (mom is an RN and very pro-vax.) i worry about when my sister gets older and moves out of my parents' house and doesnt have our mom playing such a large role in her health care. i've heard that CP is more dangerous as an adult. how many adults in their 20s will we have in a few years who had the CP vax as kids but are no longer immune? how many young adults dont have health insurance and dont go to the dr?

its not like CP is like the measles where it can only be caught from someone with the measles. you can catch CP from someone who has the shingles. so its not going to go away that way. plus, other countries have far greater worries than eradicating CP. so i think its a disease that will not be eradicated by vaxes because it *can't.*

thats the big reason why i think this shot is so stupid: its just going to open a can of worms a few years from now when the 1st batch of vaxed kids grow up and we have an "epidemic" of CP in the adult population.
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the cdc must not have updated their site recently, because a CP booster was just recommended. i'm not sure what ages its recommended for though or when this goes into effect.
Second dose Varivax was approved a little over a year ago (April 2005) and was initially recommended in outbreak situations.

At the June ACIP meeting, they recommended that the second dose varicella be given at the same time as the MMR first and second dose. In outbreak situations the second dose may be given earlier.

The official recommendation is still pending b/c it hasn't been published in the MMWR.
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