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http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/n...?storyid=14764


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Now, several therapies are underway to restore Ryan's cognitive and behavioral development, which began to show significant impairment at age 18 months. Ryan also presents evidence of a persistent, active measles virus.
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Ryan's doctor, Jeff Bradstreet of Melbourne, is a specialist in autism-related disorders. Using clinical diagnostic testing, he has documented a genetic defect in children that Ryan carries. That defect, says Bradstreet, made him vulnerable to a preservative in his vaccinations.

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GREAT EVIDENCE FOR NOT GETTING MMR SHOT!


Thanks Congressman Weldon for bringing the VAX evil to light:

"Weldon has already expressed strong skepticism with the CDC's position however, telling First Coast News, "I don't believe the CDC can really take an objective position on the issue. They are concerned the fears about thimerosal might lead to parents being afraid to vaccinate their children. But the problem isn't vaccines, it's the thimerosal in vaccines. So parents who are concerned about this need to talk with their pediatrician, and carefully check the product insert in each vaccination to make sure the shot is thimerosal-free."


But I'm sorry Congressman, you're DEAD WRONG about the problem not being vaccines.

It isn't just Thimerosal.


Look at the direct quote of Ryan's father at the beginning:


"His course of deterioration from a happy, developmentally appropriate child to the problems he began to develop, started right after he received the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine," says Ryan's father, Bruce Anderson. "


EXACTLY, the deterioration started AFTER THE MMR, but...

...the MMR is a LIVE vaccine and DOESN'T have Thimerosal!


God knows what the actual physiological process was here, but it remains quite clear that even without thimerosal the MMR is a toxic brew.


I gotta get this congressman's email.


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PS But even if they took out ALL the toxic chemicals:

http://www.*********/vaccines/ingredients1.html

So blithely dismissed by the needle pushers:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/112/6/1394

there would still be this:


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[QUOTE]Originally posted by trabot
[B]http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/n...?storyid=14764

Yes! This was on our local newscast Thur & Fri. I already wrote the reporter an email thanking her for the story. It's about time this information is making local news reports!

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"I have to live with the memory of my child's cries as I held him down while he was being vaccinated, never knowing that I was injuring him."






as goodpapa says the article is flawed, but at least it is a start...
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It isn't just Thimerosal.


Look at the direct quote of Ryan's father at the beginning:


"His course of deterioration from a happy, developmentally appropriate child to the problems he began to develop, started right after he received the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine," says Ryan's father, Bruce Anderson. "


EXACTLY, the deterioration started AFTER THE MMR, but...

...the MMR is a LIVE vaccine and DOESN'T have Thimerosal!


God knows what the actual physiological process was here, but it remains quite clear that even without thimerosal the MMR is a toxic brew.


http://www.*********/vaccines/ingredients1.html

So blithely dismissed by the needle pushers:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/112/6/1394

there would still be this:


http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/...he_needle.html
Ray, I'm not playing devil's advocate, but that little boy is 5, which means he did receive a thimerosal containg vax. IIRC thimerosal was recommended to be removed in 2000, then all supplies more than likely weren't used up until the beginning of 2001.

I still think there is alot of yucky stuff in the MMR, particularly neomycin and other things. I'm not comfortable with the combined shot and not sure on the separate ones. As of now I don't plan to use those either.

I wonder what the 'genetic defect' that leads to more likely hood of reaction is. And if they plan to now test all children prior to vaccination.
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Ryan's doctor, Jeff Bradstreet of Melbourne, is a specialist in autism-related disorders. Using clinical diagnostic testing, he has documented a genetic defect in children that Ryan carries. That defect, says Bradstreet, made him vulnerable to a preservative in his vaccinations.
Can someone give me more on this? WHAT is this specific genetic defect? When did they find this???
What?

That said, I honestly would hate to see research just continue on the path of genetics. I can't help but sort of feel like it's just blaming the victim.
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Can someone give me more on this? WHAT is this specific genetic defect? When did they find this???
What?

That said, I honestly would hate to see research just continue on the path of genetics. I can't help but sort of feel like it's just blaming the victim.
I feel differently. IMO it is doctors and researches taking a look at the entire person, not just a one size fits all medical treatment, medicine or vaccination. Do you ever hear of one vax trial that is done on preterm, not healthy, possibly allergic kids? NOPE always done on 'healthy' kids. If they took a bigger look at genetics and started treating everyone individually and found a way to make medical treatments safer for all there would be less "blame the victim" kwim?

As of right now if a kid has a reaction, it's the kids fault, or the parents fault etc. Never the vax because ya know the cdc , fda and whomever else 'tested' it and found it 'fine'. If the looked at the real reason-medical testing is skewed- there would be less of this and less damaged and sick kids IMO.
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"Ray, I'm not playing devil's advocate, but that little boy is 5, which means he did receive a thimerosal containg vax. IIRC thimerosal was recommended to be removed in 2000, then all supplies more than likely weren't used up until the beginning of 2001. "


First I'd like to have reports of VAX inserts and/or PDR's for all years concerned to verify that the thimerosal is gone.

Last I heard from Mark Geier, MD, it was still listed though the companies were saying it was out.

His point was that that would be highly illegal--- using incorrect info on the ingredient list.

IMO, the jury's still out.


Sure, Ryan had vaxes that contained thimerosal, but the neurological symptoms were triggered by the MMR--- his father's quote is quite clear.

Thus, the MMR is FULLY IMPLICATED in the destruction of this little boy even without the thimerosal in that particular shot.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT

I've already seen Jane Brody of the NYT in the Science section about a year ago say that since the Thimerosal is gone who cares if the vaccines were the cause of this neurological developmental epidemic? Of course she's married to a physician!

This is going to be the reason for not enough research to be done on the dangers of vax until the autism rates DO NOT drop significantly-- as I DO NOT THINK THEY WILL -- and then we go through this agonizing process for all of the ingredients-- take a look at my links.


My hope and prayer is that Americans WAKE UP to the massive and painfull screwing by Corporate America--- just about everything in the press these days, from environmental degradation to Wall street corruption---and keep as their DEFAULT MODE an inherent and profound MISTRUST of ALL
AUTHORITY.


This was the operative mode of those who first came from Europe to this continent, and unfortunately our fat and happy Consumerist Culture has lulled us into a complacent seat in the lap of Corporate BigDaddy.

We cannot allow this to get any worse...

...Apocalypse NOW!


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EXACTLY, the deterioration started AFTER THE MMR, but...

...the MMR is a LIVE vaccine and DOESN'T have Thimerosal!


Ray that is what you said, my only point was that little boy did get thimerosal! Which proves it gave him autism but all the cdc and everyother vax supportive body says nope doesn't happen. And my other point is yes now they say it is free. You were responding to this article about the mmr not having timerosal when it did when this little boy got his shot. That's all I was trying to say.

And further down in my post I did say yes there is other icky stuff in the MMR and I won't give it to my baby.
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...the MMR does not have, NEVER had Thimerosal.

They don't use it in the LIVE (attenuated) vaccines.


http://vaccinationnews.com/DailyNews...ngredients.htm


But STILL, Ryan's neurological symptoms appeared DIRECTLY after the MMR vax according to his father.

"His course of deterioration from a happy, developmentally appropriate child to the problems he began to develop, started right after he received the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine," says Ryan's father, Bruce Anderson.


VAXES are unnnecessary POISON, plain and simple,


I am going to keep a tight track on this fact.



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Ray, thanks :LOL to me not getting much sleep sorry! I realize what your saying now.
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...I understand.

As you can see the issue was central to me.


Thimerosal is just the beginning.



No more PharmaDestruction!



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..for info connecting MMR with autism.

Now to go find'em.



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The one medical specialty that is in constant contact with pregnant women is obstetrics. Obstetricians do not receive the MMR shot because they fear the well-known side effects of the vaccine, arthritis is one, would keep them from being able to do their job.

Sound like a good idea for all of us to be avoiding that particular vaccine ...or any other vaccine for that matter.
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... he did receive a thimerosal containg vax. IIRC thimerosal was recommended to be removed in 2000, then all supplies more than likely weren't used up until the beginning of 2001.
It is my understanding the the MMR never contained Thimerosal, not even before 2000.
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I wonder what the 'genetic defect' that leads to more likely hood of reaction is. And if they plan to now test all children prior to vaccination.
It is having been born into a family where both sides have parents or grandparents with any autoimmune disease.

Are they going to test chidren for that now?

NO.

My dd just took our 5 week old grandson to his first well baby visit and presented the ped with a paper stating that on both sides of the family there are autoimmune disorders and the ped said, she was not worried about it.
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Can someone give me more on this? WHAT is this specific genetic defect? When did they find this???
What?

That said, I honestly would hate to see research just continue on the path of genetics. I can't help but sort of feel like it's just blaming the victim.
Amazing.

An unnatural material is injected into a human body, the human body reacts to it in its own way, and something is wrong with that person, not the vaccine.

Blame the victim.
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My dd just took our 5 week old grandson to his first well baby visit and presented the ped with a paper stating that on both sides of the family there are autoimmune disorders and the ped said, she was not worried about it.
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It is having been born into a family where both sides have parents or grandparents with any autoimmune disease.
I respectfully disagree with this statement. I have 2 children on the autism spectrum and there are zero autoimmune disorders/diseases anywhere in the family tree.

As for what the genetic defect is, scientists have only recently identified a gene that they believe is linked to autism. Here's a report about it: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Living/ap20040401_10.html

Scientists Identify Gene Linked to Autism

Scientists Identify Gene That May Raise Child's Risk of Autism by
Twofold or More

The Associated Press

NEW YORK April 1 - Scientists say they've identified two variants of
a single gene that might raise a child's risk of autism by twofold or
more.

The variants are fairly common and can't bring on the disease by
themselves, the researchers said. Scientists believe several genes,
perhaps five to 10, have to work together to produce autism.

Previous studies have identified variants in other genes that might
contribute to the disease but none has been proven to do so. Finding
autism-related genes might help scientists develop treatments for the
perplexing disorder.

The new work provides strong evidence that the gene influences
susceptibility to autism, but more studies will be needed to confirm the
link, said lead study author Joseph Buxbaum of the Mount Sinai School of
Medicine in New York.

"It looks like they might have something there ... but it's a bit too
soon to say definitively," said Susan Santangelo, a Harvard expert not
involved in the study. The study appears in the April issue of the
American Journal of Psychiatry.

Autism, which normally appears by age 3 and usually in boys, interferes
with a child's ability to communicate and interact with others. Affected
children might not respond to their names or even look at other people.

The new study looked at 411 families, analyzing DNA from more than 2,000
people. Of those, 720 had autism.

The study found that the two gene variants had been inherited by family
members with autism more often than one would expect by chance. That
implicates the variants in the disease.

The gene is involved in providing energy to brain cells, so variant
versions might hamper the operation of those cells, the researchers
said.

My theory is that there is something that "triggers" autism in a young child. If they carry the genes that make them more susceptible to autism and then meet with an environmental "trigger", they develop autism. Much like a person may be susceptible to developing breast cancer and something triggers the growth of cancerous cells, kwim? I believe that thimerosal and other toxins in vaccines can trigger autism just because I have seen it happen with my own kids.

Oh, and fwiw, there are still vaccines being manufactured with thimerosal. It was RECOMMENDED that vaccine manufacturers stop using thimerosal, but no one ORDERED it, so some manufacturers are STILL using thimerosal in their vaccines. It is wrong to say that thimerosal-laden vaccines are not still being used. They are. But ya know, it's not like the new preservative agents they're using are any better. 2-phenoxyethanol is the chemical equivalent of antifreeze! It's also toxic to human cells....so not much improvement over thimerosal.
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I agree..the genetics angle does in part blame the victim way too much for my comfort.
I put my money on 'enviroment' which includes vaxes.

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This is a good thread. It's got me thinking....
I tend to agree with the genetics/trigger theory. Identifying a genetic suceptibility to disorders like autism doesn't nix the blame of the vaccine, IMO. Actually, it's possibly a step in the right direction refuting the whole "No relationship between vaccines and autism" propoganda.
It just seems like all this research is still in it's infancy.
There's a whole list of illnesses vaxes might or might not cause, and a whole list of things in vaccines that might or might not cause these illnesses.
Then there's 99% of the medical community convinced that anyone who questions vaccines is a nut. But then there are all those kids that "caught" autism after the MMR, and all those parents that saw the way it went down. And have video tapes, etc. proving their children were normal and healthy before the MMR.
Ergo, that 99% of the medical community that swears there's no relationship between vaccines and autism is full of crap, IMO.
So, the questions remain...
What happened with all those kids that were destroyed by the MMR? What exactly was it in the MMR? Why were some kids effected and some weren't? What less dramatic effects might vaccines have that aren't as obvious as the MMR/autism cases?
And lastly, why isn't there more serious research being done to figure all this out?
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Well the last IOM report pretty much summed up the way it is and the way they will defend themselves in the future.
They said (in my words) thimerosal does not cause autism. There is a possibility there is a small subgroup of children with a genetic defect who are unable to process mercury, but mercury itself does not CAUSE this defect, therefore thimerosal does not CAUSE auitism.
It's all in the wording! Hell you can get out of anything with the right lawyers.
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Just like smoking doesn't "cause" cancer?

Or that W.R. Grace didn't "cause" leukemia in all those children in Woburn, MA?

It's just stupid symantics.

What I don't understand is why everyone keeps going along with all the vaccination stuff. Why aren't more people outraged? HOrrified? Demanding to know the truth?

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