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CookAMH 11-14-2008 12:28 AM

I know it can cause arthritis in adults, but are there any known risks to kids? My immunity came back positive from my pregnancy bloodwork, and I was vaccinated as a child. This is the one I am actually not sure about for any girls I have. Anyone have anything on the individual shot? I read that it's not very readily available as a single vaccine though it is made. If we did this one, it would be as a young child and would be the only shot we do.

Any thoughts?

Gitti 11-14-2008 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CookAMH View Post
I know it can cause arthritis in adults, but are there any known risks to kids?
About the same as any other vaccine, it contains aluminum and we don't know yet where Alzheimer's came from...


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My immunity came back positive from my pregnancy bloodwork, and I was vaccinated as a child.
Do you bleive it is from your childhood shot? I doubt that. A Swiss study showed that most of that immunity comes not from the vaccine virus but a wild virus.


The fact is that the vaccine caused NO CHANGE in the overall numbers of birth defects. If you have information to the contrary, could you post it.

the_lissa 11-14-2008 12:50 AM

I was not immune during my first pregnancy, despite being fully vaccinated. I had the shot the day after I had my baby though no one explained any of the risks. During my first pregnancy, when I was not immune, there was a rubella outbreak near me, and no one was concerned. I'm going to get my dd's titres checked soon because my doctor thinks she had either roseola or rubella while ago.

DesireeH 11-14-2008 12:55 AM

They say rubella is risky for women to get because it can cause birth defects in their unborn child (congenital rubella syndrome.) The stats alone showed me the vaccine is pretty worthless.

In 1966 (before the vaccine was even introduced) there was 11 cases of CRS (congenital rubella syndrome.) In 1967, there was 10 cases reported. In 1968 there was 14 cases reported. In 1969 when the vaccine was introduced the CDC recorded 31 cases of CRS. In 1970, it went to 77 cases. In 1971, 68 cases. By 1991, while the cases of RUBELLA itself (which is pretty harmless in itself) was just at 1,401, there was still 47 cases of CRS. In 1992, rubella cases dropped to 160 however CRS still had 11 cases, which is the exact number recorded by the CDC BEFORE the vaccine was introduced.

There may be less cases of rubella itself but not of CRS. In fact the opposite was true. Since the vaccine, rubella has declined yes (and that is what they use to try to get us to get it) but the birth defect aspect INCREASED after 1969 and didnt go back down to what it was pre-vaccine for almost 30 years.

Gitti 11-14-2008 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by the_lissa View Post
I'm going to get my dd's titres checked soon because my doctor thinks she had either roseola or rubella while ago.
Don't be surprised if she shows no immunity to either. Titres are not a correct way to gage immunity. And even if she shows titres to either, that does not guarantee immunity.

There is no good way of knowing whether a body is immune or not, othe than when there is an actual outbreak.

It's not worth the money and pain imo.

CookAMH 11-14-2008 01:14 AM

That is interesting and helpful info. Thanks! No, I don't have info to the contrary. I hadn't really seen any stats on it, so I'll need to check that out more. Any links you can provide would be helpful.

Gitti 11-14-2008 01:24 AM

OK. I thought you would reiterate the March of Dimes propaganda. Because that is all it is. Anyway...Deserie pretty much posted everything that is necessary.

Here is a different link -

http://www.*********/v/rubella9.html

And here some studies from Switzerland -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract

the_lissa 11-14-2008 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
Don't be surprised if she shows no immunity to either. Titres are not a correct way to gage immunity. And even if she shows titres to either, that does not guarantee immunity.

There is no good way of knowing whether a body is immune or not, othe than when there is an actual outbreak.

It's not worth the money and pain imo.
Thanks. I didn't know that.

CookAMH 11-14-2008 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
OK. I thought you would reiterate the March of Dimes propaganda. Because that is all it is. Anyway...Deserie pretty much posted everything that is necessary.

Here is a different link -

http://www.*********/v/rubella9.html

And here some studies from Switzerland -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...?dopt=Abstract
Good stuff, thank you.

battymama 11-14-2008 06:40 AM

this was one that i was maybe concidering for my dd when she becomes a teen (foreplanning i know) but now i wont i hadent looked into it yet, thanks so much. I cant believe how worthless some of these vaxines are.

Emmeline II 11-14-2008 11:42 AM

Some good info; I'm adding it to my pile.

Tracy 11-14-2008 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CookAMH View Post
I know it can cause arthritis in adults, but are there any known risks to kids? My immunity came back positive from my pregnancy bloodwork, and I was vaccinated as a child. This is the one I am actually not sure about for any girls I have. Anyone have anything on the individual shot? I read that it's not very readily available as a single vaccine though it is made. If we did this one, it would be as a young child and would be the only shot we do.

Any thoughts?
For me the risk of my child getting rubella was not compelling enough to outweigh the risks of the shot...at least in my mind.



But just to give you an idea:
Here are the hard numbers for 2007. This is what I found for the last week of the year..... this is the total amount of cases reported to the CDC for 2007.....

Total reported cases to the cdc:

Disease Cases

Diptheria 0
Measles 28
Mumps 707
Rubella 12
Congenital rubella 0
Tetanus 19
Hib (under 5)
Sero b-17
Non sero b-141
Unknown b-187


Out of a population of 300 million people in the united states!!



check out my thread in resources

there is more you would probably like to check out.

Jayray 11-14-2008 02:53 PM

Swiss study number two is comparing a computer model of what the expected response of mandatory immunization to the actual response. Their conclusions are, despite a larger number of rubella infections than expected by the computer simulation are "Even though the number of infections is much higher than the number of reported cases of disease, limited serosurveillance data and case notification data show that females of childbearing age are well protected by immunization."


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