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I just saw something about this is another post. Do they keep actual records of non-vaxed kids in some database? How to get on record? Like when I went to the ped (I dont go on a reg basis, I took him once as a newborn and once at 7 months when he was sick and thats it). I didnt tell the dr I was NEVER getting vax, I just said I dont beleive in throwing all those toxins into a developing immune system. He was completely fine with that. Does that put us on a list or something?

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Personally I think ALL of us off the beaten path types are in some grand govn't wate of good money data base. After all, we are the ones they gotta look out for, the ones who think for themselves and do not follow the current trends or run after the latest and greated, new and improved doo-dads. We are the ones who continue to keep the true spirit of the very forst colonists that we are capable of thinking for ourselves, able to care for and educate our children ourselves and we don't need the government to grow bigger and bigger just to do more and more things that are truly a parent's/families job anyway.....

We are a big time threat. If we will not accept what some "expert" has to say then think of all the other things we may not swallow like a good little television-fed zombie!!

If people, and many are, just going alone with whatever the latest "expert" tells them then think of all the free research the govn't can do by sending some new "expert" on such and such to convice us all that we absolutely must do this or that, allow this or that done to us or our children, or whatever!

We are the Boston Tea partiers of our day....and that scares the lollies off the govn't.
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I believe that it is completely up to the physician & if your state has a vaccine registry.

This is why I keep repeating the message to CYA (Cover Your Arse). Have an exemption affidavit already made up (regardless of child's age). Know what your rights are.

See this thread:

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/sho...threadid=98487
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Where do you get an exemption form? Can I just print the online ones out and sign it or does it have to be from the state? I am getting one ASAP. This is soooo ridiculous that you have to EXEMPT your child from dangerous vaccines. Seems very backwards. What's next, an exemption form for not using formula?

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I have a notarized exemption on file at school (through ECFE--early childhood program). Is that enough, or should I have one to carry around with me? What is the best way to CMA?
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Desiree,

The form above is just for the school. I have printed out my own philisophical exemption. There is short, to the point one & a long one that goes into details. I will locate the past threads & post links.

Rachel,

I have seen it recommended to have three copies of your affidavit.

-A copy on your child's medical file
-A copy in the diaper bag (or glove box)
-Another copy on file at home.

Right now; I have a copy for each of my kids in my file cabinet. Guess I should follow the above advice!
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Is there an "official" form, or do I make one up myself? I just have the school form, obviously, on file at school.
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Here is an example of short affidavit:

VACCINE EXEMPTION FORM

[Insert your state code here. Find it at:

http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/allstates.htm

I,____________________________, as the parent of the child _______________________ after considering the risks and benefits of the vaccine(s) do hereby decide not to vaccinate my child with the following vaccines:

Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Polio
Varicella
Hepatitis B
Prevnar
Anthrax
Smallpox
Haemophilus influenzae type b


This is pursuant to my right to refuse vaccination on the statutory grounds of "other grounds". Pursuant to the statute I am providing a copy of the statement to the child's school administrator or operator of the group program pursuant to (insert code).

Date: ____________________
__________________________________
Parent/Guardian or Person in loco parentis
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...and here is the long one

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/refuselt.htm

I copied mine to WordPad & put in my state code at the top.It is an 8 page document, but can be edited to 5 pages.


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THanks! I am getting everything together and am going to get it all notorized.

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Thanks Carla!
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I have a high level of frustration regarding the CMA part of not vaccinating.

There are only religious and medical exemptions in my state. So, I print off the form and fill it all out. Don't I still need a doctor to sign it for a medical waiver? I hardly see how I can use the religious exemption and make that fly if I ever had to use it for more than getting my son into kindergarten.

I'm paranoid. How far can a government agency take this? Is it possible that if I do not vaccinate, I will be separated from my child for any length of time?
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chellemarie,

If you tell me what state you are in; I can give you more specific info on how to do this.
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Hi Desiree! Haven't talked to you in a while, so I sent you a pm.

I carry an exemption in my diaper bag & have a copy at home. Though DD is not of school age, yet, I use that form. However, it's not notarized. I guess I should do that. I don't have a copy on file with DD's ped because I'm just not comfortable with that. I figure I'll be able to provide it, if it's ever needed in a medical emergency. The ped said she'd have me sign her waiver after DD was born, but she never did.

As far as a "list" goes, our state has a vaccine registry. So, considering they have record of DD's birth, they could compare it to the vaccine registry & know she's not vaxed. I've heard of many parents receiving postcards in the mail from their local health dept. reminding them their child is past due for vaxes.
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Yes kimberly, I get postcards in the mail too. I always wonder if they send them to everyone because they say "just a reminder" on them. LOL But I bet its specifically for us......ack! I hate that "they" (whoever that is) has record of us! (Got your pm, thanks! Pm'd ya back.

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Thanks...I'm in Nebraska. From what I understand, Nebraska has a "narrow" religious exemption.
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to the mommies that were talking about getting vax notices in the mail...........i used to get them too. only i got them when i WAS vaxing. and i was using public assistance so that probly had something to do w/ mine.
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Originally posted by chellemarie
Thanks...I'm in Nebraska. From what I understand, Nebraska has a "narrow" religious exemption.
Not too narrow! Here is an excerpt:

...or that immunization conflicts with the personal and sincerely followed religious beliefs of the student.

http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/allstates.htm
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hi all,

I have decided t stop vaxing my oldest 2 and not vax my baby at all.

I do not have a affidavidt or anything , I just signed the refusal to vax for t the ped. I am in California. I did not know that I needed to do anything more.

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A little T, but pertinent nevertheless:

Go to your Congressman.

Request your FBI file under the FOIA.

You will get a big surprise.

Merry Christmas!
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Carla...okay. So what do I do? I need it spelled out for me. I feel like my backside is widely exposed and I don't like it at all. What form do I use? How do I insure it'll stand up if I ever need to use it?

Where in that excerpt do we squeeze in?
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Applejuice, they keep an FBI file on this? Do you have to pay to get that file or do we have the right to see a copy?

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Carla...okay. So what do I do? I need it spelled out for me. I feel like my backside is widely exposed and I don't like it at all. What form do I use? How do I insure it'll stand up if I ever need to use it?
No problem.

First; here is an example of a religious affidavit that I made:

http://216.92.20.151/discussions/sho...threadid=59461


Next, here is a resource in your state...


Inoculation Discussion Group of Omaha

Carla Ann Mowry

Omaha, NE

(402) 455-6339

pcrc_mow@ix.netcom.com


There is a state form that you will need to attach your affidavit to. You will need Adobe Reader to view it.

http://www.ops.org/scs/hs/Public/Imm...ion.Waiver.pdf
(Would be good to print the statute on the back of the page.)
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Carla... Thank you. I'll have to look over it carefully later when I'm more coherent (we have the flu). I'll let you know if I have more questions.

Thanks again!
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