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View Poll Results: Should MDC add a forum for POC?
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Old 08-29-2002, 03:52 AM - Thread Starter
 
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Thought maybe we had hit a point where a poll would be useful. Do you think their should be a forum for POC or not?

try and be nice, it's my first poll.
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Old 08-29-2002, 04:00 AM
 
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great poll, arduinna. though it's debatable whether asking the PWOCs here to vote on a forum for POCs is racist in itself. But those questions are still being addressed elsewhere

a very resounding yes for me ~ if the POCs want it, that is
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Interesting point, simonee.

I voted yes. If our members of color feel they need one, then they should have one.
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Well shoot, if I had made the poll just for POC then that would have started an uproar too

Ya can't please everybody :-)
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It won't let me vote but I say yes.
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yes yes
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Sorry Pie, I have no idea how to fix polls. I barely figured out how to post this one. But now that I've got it down expect more !!
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YES!
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I voted no as I believe this community would be better served with a forum for Minority Parenting rather than one segregated by color.

Just my two francs.
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how bout a sticky at the top explaining what the goals are, so POC can set them clearly. I saw many points raised that would be good for both POC and PWOC to see before they post
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I am an MOC and I voted no cuz its been made very clear that way too many peeps just don't get it and I don't think it would end up serving the needs of POC. I think POC will continue to have their needs as POC AP parents or whatever filled elsewhere.....

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mamita mala, that is too bad. There may be POC here who don't know of or go elsewhere that are interested. I am sorry that so many people saw so much in this idea to get angry about.

I hope Mothering creates whatever there is the real need for.
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Oh no doubt MamaPie......Mothering was the first thing of its kind I was ever introduced to. I;m not saying that Mothering doesn't have really great things about it cuz why else would I be here???? I just don't think dealing POC is its forte.

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how bout a sticky at the top explaining what the goals are, so POC can set them clearly. I saw many points raised that would be good for both POC and PWOC to see before they post
I understand what your asking for, I just figured that the first step was to have one or not. Then if it was decided to have one the parameters could be worked out :-)
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I *really* agree with this more than ever now...

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cuz its been made very clear that way too many peeps just don't get it and I don't think it would end up serving the needs of POC. I think POC will continue to have their needs as POC AP parents or whatever filled elsewhere.....
BUT

I think there are Parents of Color who need this board here even if ends of failing.

So I guess my final vote is YES.
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If I could vote, I'd vote yes.
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I agree it should be a "minority parenting" board rather than a POC board.
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peep is people.

First off, minority is the majority. Second, most minority don't like that term. Perhaps Marginalized Parenting? But then we could just do away with Single Parents and Queer Parents and lump all the 'minorities' together.
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If there were an option for an emphatic, resounding yes, then I would have clicked that one. But there wasn't so I just clicked "yes".

I understand MamitaMala's point. There seems to be so much dissenting opinion over something that seems so mild an issue (a POC/minority board whatever the hell you want to call it to go along with a Queer Parenting and Single Parenting board). I feel like there will ppl who will want to stir up trouble over it (like the insistence that an exclusionary board will be divisive when most mamas here don't want it to be exclusionary) but I don't think that is a good enough reason not to try it out.

I will do everything I can to make it a board that is supportive for MOC. I really feel the need for such a board on this site. I think we'll pull more members in with it (which I know some ppl are saying that they think this place is too big already...). I also do not think it will divide this board. There are already lots of gay and bi mamas here who post in the queer parenting forum and still frequent other areas of the board. The queer parenting forum is a haven for them and a place to get support that they can't necessarily get other places. The POC board will serve the same purpose.

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NM, peeps means people.

JavaJerri, How come you can't vote? Are you having trouble voting in the polls? For awhile there I was too, but the problem resolved itself. *shrugs*

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I think its dangerous to lump all the "minorities" together. It serves to cloud the issues I feel. People are really afraid of dealing with the "race" issue....

Besides more than one "minority" has expressed a problem with the use of that word.


Nursing Mother....I'm sorry about the "peeps" think. I tend to write on boards the way I speak and sometimes it doesn't translate very well.

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Third post in a row, sigh.

Mamapie, I wouldn't object to the lumping of boards together to make a marginalized parenting forum but others might. I can see an argument being that some topics might get lost. Hmmm.

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I was being facetious. Sorry guys.

Of course you can't lump those three together. You can't lump this whole board together and make it one giant parenting issues board either.

If there is to be a POC board, I think it would be great to include in its description POC and other marginalized ethnicities. That would give validation to people like Britt, etc, who are disturbed by the idea as it stands.

This conversation is making me really dizzy.
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In truth, I don't like the term "minority" very much either.

Riddle me this: how will a POC board serve differently than what we have now? It is a place to bitch and moan about everyone not your color? Is it a place to talk about issues entirely exclusive to POC? Is there such a thing?
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I strongly support a POC forum. It is also my belief that this should be a POC forum for POC only, if that is so desired by POC. My contention being, that as a white woman, there are experiences which I will not experience, and things which no matter how hard I try to empathize, I will never personally know. While I may attempt to understand those experiences, by their very nature, they remain separate. There are numerous other experiences I can and do share with POC, and I feel there are plenty of other forums where we may discuss those in union. However, I strongly support a safe and separate haven, if that is so desired.

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MamitaMala's point makes me sad, but I understand it. But, like kylix said, I don't think the risk of controversy is a good reason not to do this.
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I couldn't vote either (is it a conspiracy...) but I say yes. I'm a straight, white, married mother and it is hard for me to find support as an AP parent. I'm sure it's that much harder when one is marginalized for other factors as well. I am happy that MDC has a queer parenting forum and a s ingle parenting forum, and I am surprised that it does not already have a POC forum. Also, I am here for support, but more than that to learn. The greater the diversity of members (color, orientation, political leanings, nationalities, etc., etc.) the more opportunity I will have to broaden my mind/spirit/parenting style. I don't participate in the queer parenting forum, but I know that the rest of the board is enriched by the presence of members who are here partly due to the existence of that forum. I am proud to be part of a community where such forums exist.
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how will a POC board serve differently than what we have now? It is a place to bitch and moan about everyone not your color? Is it a place to talk about issues entirely exclusive to POC? Is there such a thing?
Not picking on the person who asked this, just wanted to answer.

I don't get what you don't get. Being of color is something that makes a parent and their child different than other parents and children. The problems/ issues one runs into in one's life when one is different in any way are easier and more logical to be discussed with people who have that same difference.

Of course there is such a thing as issues exclusive to a person who is of color that a person who is not of color does not have to deal with nor relate to.

If the Mamas of color want a forum then why would anyone deny it to them?

I remember a poll about a children with disabilities forum. It was only asked to and answered by the people who it would be used by (parents of said children). I answered it too, because DH is disabled. It was decided, if I recall corectly that they would not have a forum for that but that those parents wanting such a forum might try ssrting a "finding your tribe" thread to see who was interested in such a forum.
What I was getting at is that noone asked the parents with kids without disabilities if the forum should be opened for those who would use it........

I am so sad that people can't get along.........

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I am colorless ~ I'm so white, I'm blue! But, following my evolutionary duty, I bred with taller and tanner
So, though I'm PWOC, I'm raising two *very tan* kids in a wonderbread area. I would love to have a place specifically for issues related to attitudes related to skin color. HOWEVER, this does not mean that I cannot find this support on MDC already, I do and will continue to

P.S. an exlusionary board is a BAAAAD idea, I surf the Dads and the Queer Parenting boards, though I'm neither ( am I in trouble now??). The board should support the Mothering idea of full inclusion.

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First of all, granted I am having a slow day but. . .It took me while to figure out what POC meant so you might want to add a definition at the top somewhere so that slow people like me get it. Just a suggestion.

And for the question at hand. I really don't have an opinion either way. i guess if POC or other minorities feel they need a seperate forum to talk about things then I guess let the have one. My concern is that if there are needs in any group of people that stem from the fact that they are apart of that group i think it would benifit the whole community to learn about these struggles and ways we can gaurd against being artof the problems or ways we can be more sensitive. Does that make any sense? I think we all have a lot of wisdom to offer each other but if all seperate into little groups there won't be a lot of sharing going on. Also topics that might better be discussed in the larger forums might just get stuck in a particular groups forum because that is where the poster feels most comfortable and everyone else will miss out because they don't think that anything in that forum would apply to them. But like I said if that is what people (any group of people) want then i don't mind if they have it.

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