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I wish I could talk openly, but who knows who's watching....
I smoked through high school... like, every day. Even in the bathroom, between classes. I was a nerdy stoner, though... I "used" and read books regarding metaphysics, esoteric stuff, politics, etc... same goes for psychadelics. I used those practically every day for a year or so. Needless to say, it blew most of my left brain up... I now mostly live on intuition and vibes.
It's funny, because my DH works for a band. A psychadelic jamband. I can walk into a room and the energy of those using psychadelics makes me trip without having to touch anything. It's fantastic. I'm a really cheap date.
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I remember "Go Ask Alice." Read it over and over and over again. Don't remember it too well, but don't remember it being a negative influence when I started getting high ... meaning I don't remember it as a voice in the back of my mind not to try anything.

ladylee, I only did 'ludes a few times. And that was when they were still Rorer 714 :LOL ... more dating myself ... never liked them, though, because of the loss of control involved. Never liked losing control.

BTW, my DH calls pot "boo." I've always thought that was very cute, like funny cute. '60s thing, I'm told. :LOL
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Oh, I meant to post this before.: Here is link to a great site for the legalization of marijuana: www.norml.org
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Moon, I'll chime in with a 2nd vote for Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do

I read it years ago and was completely floored at the amt of consensual acts that are CRIMES in this country..............we are not as free as we think, eh?

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I read a great book by Dr. Weil called "From Chocolate to Morphine: Everything You Need to Know About Mind-Altering Drugs."

It really takes a neutral stand on all drugs, and says "There are no good or bad drugs, only good and bad uses of drugs."
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As a teen my favorite "drug" books were Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and The Electric Kool Aid Acid test. I am sure I am not the only one who read those books more than once.
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Amy...

Lived in a communal house during my first pregnancy. When the baby was born he weighed 7lbs/14oz. Imagine all the comments I got! OY!

I have done some things in my time too...but that is another story.... Joyce in the mts.

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When I was in treatment I was the only one who considered herself an addict, and the only one there voluntarily. Most everyone else had just been caught smoking pot and had to go to treatment for 3 months to stay out of jail.

BUT, I was also the only one to graduate without using during those 3 months. These other people kept saying they weren't addicts and didn't belong in treatment, but they could not stop smoking pot for just 3 months, even though they knew they were getting UA'd every week. Some of them were told they would go straight to jail and lose their kids if they got a dirty UA and still they would not stop smoking.

I don't understand why they would have such a hard time stopping for a short time if they truly were not addicts, especially with everything they had to lose. There were people there who permanently lost custory of their kids. While I don't agree with that law, I think there is obviously more of a problem going on with these people than they would admit. I mean, I never got caught with drugs. How is it these people are even careless enough to get caught, if they really don't have a problem?

I think one can become psychologically addicted to anything. I have known people who did not feel right unless they took 10 aspirin every day.

I think the most dangerous thing about pot is that it's illegal, but I think large doses can be as dangerous as alcohol when it comes to driving. I once smoked an eighth by myself and could not even walk or sit up; I can't imagine driving under the influence like that.
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DH watched the behavior of the kids using various drugs (mostly hallusinogenics and pot) when he was in high school. He decided that doing stupid things like going out in the snow barefoot while high were not for him.

I tried pot once, thought it tasted like shit, didn't do anything positive for me, so I didn't do it again. I didn't much like when someone spiked a drink of mine one time either. I was sick and on OTC cold meds. My boyfriend at the time didn't sleep that night hearing how often I paused all too long in my breathing.

I did do a little drinking in college. Decided eventually that I like being in control of myself and my decisions, not that there isn't a lovely floating stage before self control is gone...

I will occasionally have an ounce or two of wine for that floating feeling...but only after children are in bed. Since alcoholism runs in DH's family, and mine..., that only happens about 2/year.

I worry about legalization because I've seen what legal alcohol does when some drunk gets behind the wheel. I have no illusions that legalized marijuana wouldn't have the same side effects. Then people not choosing to use suffer the consequenses, despite DUI being illegal. Until those issues get sorted out I can't bring myself to completely support legalization.

I do however think mj should be treated like any other controlled substance that is also a prescription medication for those whom it can help with certain medical conditions. I don't see the logic behind not allowing it to be appropriately prescribed as a medication.

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Never knew Go Ask Alice was made into a movie???

I do remember reading a reallly good book on a coke smuggler, can't remember the name though.
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Meiri-do you think people aren't driving stoned all the time? Cause I know differently... And, I might add, I'll take stoned at the wheel over drunk at the wheel anytime. Not condoning either though. It's just a fact that pot effects people differently than alcohol, and pot doesn't have near the dangerous effect on driving skills as alcohol.
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I used to smoke tobacco, still drink on occasion, but I have never tried anything illegal. I don't intend to either, though if pot was legal, I would probably try it.

Now if we talk addictions, then caffiene is mine.
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Can I talk about how ANNOYING those anti-pot commercials are?! Almost every single bad situation that happens in these commercials because of smoking pot would also happen with drinking (like running over the kid on the bike, the girl being too doped up to say no, the accidental pregnancy one) OR wouldn't happen at all if it was legal (all the commercials about users supporting cartels and terrorists, and the poster about a joint getting someone a night in jail).

Of course I'm not using anything while pregnant, and gave up all 'drugs' way before TTC'ing (including caffine and alchol)...

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Can I talk about how ANNOYING those anti-pot commercials are?! Almost every single bad situation that happens in these commercials because of smoking pot would also happen with drinking (like running over the kid on the bike, the girl being too doped up to say no, the accidental pregnancy one) OR wouldn't happen at all if it was legal (all the commercials about users supporting cartels and terrorists, and the poster about a joint getting someone a night in jail).
Don't even get me started! : My little sister (6) saw the one where the girl is pregnant. She was so confused by it. She said to her mother "does smoking really make you pregnant?!" Poor thing!
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Sometimes I can't even tell when someone is stoned. Drunk people, however, are obvious and they scare me.

My dh got a 1370 on the SATs - stoned. No way could he do that if he was drunk!
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Can we talk about those anti pot commercials

You bet!!!! Talk about propaganga, IMO.

The world would be a better place if some people had a little toke on a regular basis. I've heard some interesting info on pots antianxiety effect. Of course for some it works the opposite
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drugs!

hah hah!

used to do a ton of 'em. had some bad drug times in highschool, didn't do any for a few years, then got right back into it. I never did any "hard" drugs; with the exception of lsd I stayed away from anything chemical. but then i met xtc...oooh, it was great and eventually it got boring. Then i tried speed, wow. i'm so glad I never tried it when I was younger. what a drug! i organized ALL of my paperwork and then slept for two days! hah! I think I could do that maybe once every two years.

These days my drug of choice is also the only one I use. i'd love to smoke some pot but I can't find good info on how it goes through the breastmilk so, not until I'm done nursing.

And dp has some isues with alcohol, so i don't drink, in solidarity with him. (he stopped so as to be a good daddy, which he is )
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I'm aware that there are people stoned behind the wheel.

Drunken stupor or drug-induced not caring while driving is Bad no matter what the cause.

I fail to see how legalization will lessen the problem.

There Was a lovely 17 yr old girl in this town who is now Dead because she attended a pot and drinking party. Perhaps if she'd had her full wits about her she'd've been able to escape when her friend started beating on her then with her(the friend's) boyfriend took her from the apartment for the boyfriend to shoot her.

Perhaps if others at the party hadn't been stoned or drunk or both they'd gotten off their asses and done something instead of sitting there being witnesses.

Perhaps if they hadn't been stoned and drunk the friend and her boyfriend would've been able to see that murder to cover up the torture crime is beyond bass ackwards thinking. They're both in jail now. Instead of false imprisonment and assault charges they face those plus murder. The girl from our town is dead.

I can see what pot and alcohol did for them.

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http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_ea...6homicide3.asp

http://www.post-gazette.com/neigh_ea...cide0325p2.asp

Not ads, not propaganda, real life east of Pittsburgh.

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Meiri, I doubt anyone supports driving while under the influence. Even driving while on legal medications is against the law if you are impaired by them.

It hasn't been proven that making something illegal or legal changes peoples choices to drive while impaired. Alcohol is legal, while driving while intoxicated is not, yet people still die in drunk driving accidents. I assume you don't think all possibly intoxincating substances (including rx meds) should be made illegal???

I honestly don't see the logic or connection between legalizing pot and DUI.
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I think all drugs should be legal...why should people be put in jail for hurting only themselves? Obviously if they hurt others or do illegal things while under the influence of any drug,including alcohol,caffiene,whatever,they should face consequences. I grew up with an alcoholic mama and think alcohol is the worst drug out there...I have done lsd,mushrooms,ecstacy,and smoked pot...I love pot and think it could save the world...I do smoke now when I go out and have a night out on the town...I think its ignorance for people to say legalizing drugs would be bad for kids...its the same thing as violence in the media...kids are going to be exposed to it anyways...thats why kids have parents to teach them and guide them...maybe if people weren't so scared of doing illegal drugs kids wouldn't be so tempted to do them...
off topic...do any of you wise mamas think prostitution should be legal?
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BTW- does it look like :bf has Chinese eyes?

(Also, no offense to any Chinese folks out there- it's an old term and I don't know of a better one!)
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Amy, I bet we could have a whole other 5 page topic on legal prostitution.
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off topic...do any of you wise mamas think prostitution should be legal?


Yes. I see no functional difference between paying me for using the organ between my ears, or between my thighs.

Legalize it, tax the crud out of it, use the money from it to support health and education. I hear an echo in here.
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Prostitution is already legal in the forms of pornographic movies (women are paid for having sex) and marriage (women trade sex in exchange for housing and spending money, in some types of marriages.)

ANYWAY...

I don't believe the world would necessarily be a better place if everyone took drugs. I am one of those people who should not take certain drugs. Pot often made me violent. I broke into peoples' homes while on LSD and stole their toothbrushes. I am allergic to all the valium-type drugs as they cause me to have psychotic reactions.

The only drugs I have done well with were coffee and mushrooms. Although, I had a really high tolerance to them and my last trip was a half-ounce at a movie theater where I ended barfing on the floor, wetting my pants because I thought if I tried to find the bathroom I would get lost, and getting in trouble for smoking a cigarette in the theater.

Actually, I was also cruel to animals while on mushrooms so it wasn't totally harmless for me.

I'm probably just one of those rare individuals who should not take drugs.
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I broke into peoples' homes while on LSD and stole their toothbrushes.
Ok I know you were making a serious point (I agree those who harm others shouldn't be using drugs of any kind... and should really be thinking about whether its a good idea if they are hurting themselves) but I was just curious about why you were stealing toothbrushes? :LOL

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Arduinna, I think we will just have to agree to disagree.

I don't see the logic in making yet more mind altering substances legal when we cannot stop people from DUI while using the legal ones.

Adding more and making them even easier to obtain and abuse will not certainly not decrease the problem.

If it was done like in NV, where the legal ones have to be tested regularly... then I'd not have much problem with legalizing prostitution, but that really is a whole 'nother topic.

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Meiri I can agree to disagree :-)
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ABSOLUTELY do not use them.

ABSOULTELY have tried all of them except heroin.

ABSOLUTELY believe marijuana (and a few others that I used to like) should be legal.
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I think it was just one of those things that sounds like a good idea when you're on drugs. I also stole a board, ice cream, a cassette tape, and a toy out of their fishtank. This was while I was at a party and just started wandering around. I kept bringing the stuff to the party upstairs and they realized what was going on, so they gathered it all together and woke up the other people, explained what was going on, and gave it all back.

I hear LSD is a spiritual experience for many people, but not for me.
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