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Old 04-20-2003, 06:44 PM - Thread Starter
 
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I have been watching the news and have heard a few debates on this. The main argument given is that he should not be charged with the murder of a "viable fetus" since it was not born. I have been reading throught the thread regarding abortion and have been thinking a lot on my views about this in general. My first thought when seeing the Scott Peterson debate on the news was that sure he should be charged with both murders. Then my hubby said, then you have to be pro-life too (in terms of the fetus being a person with rights and so on). Anyway, we had a big discussion about whether or not he should be charged with both.

I still have no conclusion, but was just curious what you all thought. (Excuse the incoherance above as I am just spewing thoughts as they run through my head. It's one of those days that I am walking around like: )
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I feel strongly that he should be charged with both murders simply because that baby could have been viable without his mama.

Sad, sad case, I hope Scott Peterson fries!!!!
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Definately two murders.

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I feel strongly that he should be charged with both murders simply because that baby could have been viable without his mama.
I agree with Mamax3.
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Okay, so I feel that way too. But if the thought that it should be 2 murders because baby Conor would have been viable without him mama, then would any abortion past, say 20-22 weeks (when in theory a baby could survive on it's own), be murder? (playing total devil's advocate here, off my hubby's point of view). I am having a hard time in my own head making all my views agree with each other.
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Ca law is that a non-abortion related killing of a fetus is murder.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacode...187%2D199.html
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Yeah, I read that too, and legally, I get it. But some states do not have that law, so I am just trying to sort it out in my tired brain, as to what the right way to do it is. See, this is why I should not discuss with my husband (who is as far right as they come).
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Well there is precidence for charging someone with murder of an unborn child, especially when the child is full term and I think he should be charged with both.

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My personal view goes like this- a fetus is most loved by its mother, usually. She should be allowed to decide if she wants to treat the fetus as a person, with all the rights of a human being under the law. In this case, Laci can't tell us how she felt, but I feel comfortable betting that she would want her son's murder charged as such.
And while Scott's behavior is suspicious as h-e-double hockeysticks, I'd like to see him tried before he is convicted.
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Whoever did this should definitely be tried with both murders. But then again I think life begins at conception. So it is an easy choice for me to make.

Even if I didn't I still think the person who did this should be tried for both because the mother didn't choose for the baby to die. The baby was killed against her will and I do think that makes a difference.

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I've very pro-choice, but I think that this man should be charged with 2 murders. That baby was full-term and was killed for no reason and to me that makes all the difference.

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I guess I want the penalty for killing Laci Peterson to be so severe, i.e. the death penalty-that being charged for the baby's murder wouldn't really matter. I understand the symbolic gesture though.
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No, you don't necessarily "have to" be pro-life. I am pro-choice and think that even the demise of a non-viable fetus without the consent of the woman is murder.

In some states, one can be charged with 3rd degree murder if he assaults a woman and causes her to have a miscarriage, even with a nonviable fetus. I support this as well.
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I believe that a woman confers her status on her unborn child. By wanting the baby, her interests, desires and intentions in regard to the pregnancy are what the law should protect. And vice-versa.

Laci's intention was to have the baby; this was her choice. I think the law should honor that with a double-homicide charge.
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Being pro-choice doesn't have anything to do with believing in abortion or not. It means believing our government doesn't has the right to tell me what to do with my body.

So semantics, yes, but important.

Personally I think he should be tried for two.
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I'd be another pro-choicer who thinks that a) it's a double murder and b) whomever did this should get the death penalty. I firmly believe in "guilty until proven innocent", so I will hold off on saying that Scott did this. I think he acted too oddly about all of this, IMO.
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I would like to see it tried as two murders. I don't know where the line is drawn in terms of unborn babies, but... Because it was HIS kid, and the pregnancy so far along, he could have been born anytime really, it feels like it should be two counts. IF SP did it. if he killed Laci, and he intended to do kill her, he knew he was killing his baby too. He knew there was a life in there that would be snuffed out by his actions, so, yes, I think, two counts of murder. It's not like he's a stranger who accidentally hit her with a car and subsequently both she and the baby died (and the stranger didn't know she was pregnant/didn't mean to kill anyone). If SP did it, He absolutely knew he would kill the baby, take a life.


And of course I am just speculating that he did it... I really hope he has a fair trial. There has been so much attention to this case... they should have some pretty good proof if he is inded the one.
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T I'm shocked by how many of you are wanting the death penalty for this. I'm only writing this here because the other thread in TAO seems to want to leave "Activism" out of the thread there.
In my opinion, it's a much worse fate to spend the rest of your long life in prison, getting raped by the inmates and struggling for survival. (I wish we could somehow make our prisons safe too. I think it's totally wrong that we just accept that when a person goes to jail there's a very good chance you'll be raped. And no, we're not going to stop it from happening or even discourage it. WTF?)
As it's been said many times, killing a person to show that killing people is wrong doesn't make any sense at all, IMO!
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I agree Marcy, as much as I hate what has happened and feel he is guilty I don't want to see the death penalty imposed.

For one thing, it costs more money to impose the death penalty. Of course, I don't support the death penalty for any case.
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Definately two murders. He (whomever he is) murdered TWO people. One of them happened to be inside his mother's womb. That doesn't make him less of a person.

I also don't think the murderer should get the death penalty. I think he should live a long life filled with torture, pain, agony, and misery.
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In TX, after a certain point in pg, not sure the exact cut off, a (fetal) death certificate is issued and burial/cremation required for a stillbirth. I know that when my daughter was born at almost 29 weeks, these were required. I would think whatever legalities that applied to stillbirths also applied to Conner, even though the circumstances were different. On my daughter's death certificate, cause of death is listed, as well as the question did death take place before or during labor, or delivery.

However, I was not allowed to count her as a dependant on our taxes, as she had not drawn or attempted to draw a breath and was thus not issued a birth certificate.

The point of all this was to say that legally, late pregnancy is a "fuzzy" area that doesn't seem to have any clearly defined solutions, especially as earlier and earlier preemies are being saved and even more lines are crossed. I do beleive that he should be charged with a double murder legally and morally.

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2 human beings died, someone had better be charged with 2 murders in my opinion!
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T I'm shocked by how many of you are wanting the death penalty for this. I'm only writing this here because the other thread in TAO seems to want to leave "Activism" out of the thread there.

As it's been said many times, killing a person to show that killing people is wrong doesn't make any sense at all, IMO!
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whoops, meant to say, Marcy ITA.
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I am pro-choice and I believe he should be tried for 2.
I also think the death penalty is wrong and do not support it, ever.

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I definitely agree he should be tried to 2 murders. I also agree that life begins at the moment of conception.
Laci wanted this baby, was excited and planned for it. I still remember how that felt, being pregnant was a dream come true. The horror she must have felt if she knew what was happening to her and her baby!
Who ever did this (innocent until proven guilty) shouldn't get off by being put to death. He should live every day knowing what he did to his wife and son - that's HELL in itself!
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He should live every day knowing what he did to his wife and son - that's HELL in itself!
He already knows this.. If it isn't tearing him up that he did it now, why would it tear him up after the fact... All he going to be miserable about is getting caught...

Just my .02 on the subject though...

Back to the OP.. I think it should be charged as a 2ble homicide.. Pro-choice as people are stating isn't about being for abortion, it's simply for the right of a woman to choose whether or not to carry a child.. This woman chose to carry this child.. If a dr had performed an abortion on this woman he would be tried and convicted of committing a crime... Whomever killed Laci knew they would be killing her child as well.. 2 murders done knowingly.. 2 charges...

Like i said though.. Just my opinion on it..

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i say for 2 murders
he makes me sick!
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California Criminal Law has dealt with situations like this as if the unborn were born long before Roe -v- Wade.

There are other things in the case that indicate that Peterson is guilty such as wire tappings, rope marks/reside in the house, a "lojak" on his car which tracked his meanderings, the position of the tide the night she disappeared.

He premeditated this.

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