Car bomb outside of Ryiad Saudi - Page 2 - Mothering Forums

Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
#31 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 12:59 PM - Thread Starter
 
Ms. Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: MotheringDotCommune
Posts: 22,236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Joyce, I was thinking that myself.

This incident really has me ruffled. I don't know why, but I have this feeling of dread that I can't seem to shake
Ms. Mom is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
#32 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 01:05 PM - Thread Starter
 
Ms. Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: MotheringDotCommune
Posts: 22,236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Bush is on. He just said that we will find these terrorists and make them pay with 'American justice'.

HAAAA Like we did Binladen after 9/11 and oh, we did such a good job with Hussein didn't we!

Sorry for the sarcasm. I'm just sick about this.

Top it off with the fact that this was a SUICIDE BOMBING! Where does he think we'll find those responsible?

I'd just like to know his EXACT definition of American Justice
Ms. Mom is offline  
#33 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 02:04 PM
 
mahdokht's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: the growing place
Posts: 4,237
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by Ms. Mom

I'd just like to know his EXACT definition of
American Justice
I think the Bush administration has made that pretty clear.

Step One: Get on television and make some threatening statements

Step Two: Pass legislation that retricts the constitutional rights of American citizens

Step Three: Bomb innocent people in the search for 'whoever is responsible'

Step Four: Make sure to never find 'whoever is responsible"

Step Five: Make threatening statements toward a country that had absolutely no involvement. So since this happened in Saudi Arabia, its pretty clear to me that Syria must PAY.
mahdokht is offline  
#34 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 02:15 PM
 
Devi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,649
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
So very sad. I am glad our MDC'rs are all ok...but so grieved for the families that suffered loss.

Ms Mom/mahdokt: I hear you, now what?!
Devi is offline  
#35 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 03:47 PM
Banned
 
Marlena's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,626
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
ITA, Mahdokht. But I would also add:

6. Propose additional tax cuts for upper income brackets and business incentives on the ground of bolstering national security.
Marlena is offline  
#36 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 03:51 PM
 
Hilary Briss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Been there, done that...
Posts: 3,412
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
The latest information I have received from a friend in Riyadh, is that at least two of my former colleagues have been injured, and one was killed. I have also heard that a girl, who may have been in my daughter's class, is unaccounted for.
Hilary Briss is offline  
#37 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 04:22 PM
 
Marg of Arabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Madison Wisconsin
Posts: 3,673
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I have already heard from friends that a girl is missing from my daughters class at the American Int'l School.........This is a girl whose name I remember. She was a friend of my daughters. Hopefully they will find her.

My husband has already heard that one of his former workmates is dead and a couple of others are injured(not sure how badly). We are receiving e-mails from several different friends about what is going on there. I am just so shocked about it all........

Thanks for your words on this thread.

~ This was exactly the reason I left the compound. Jon and I always felt uncomfortable after 9/11.

marg
Marg of Arabia is offline  
#38 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 04:22 PM - Thread Starter
 
Ms. Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: MotheringDotCommune
Posts: 22,236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Sending my love to you and your family. This is the 9/11 in Saudi. I'm just numb. Hold you daugher tight tonight.
Ms. Mom is offline  
#39 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 04:26 PM
 
Marg of Arabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Madison Wisconsin
Posts: 3,673
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I guess HB and I were thinking alike again.
Marg of Arabia is offline  
#40 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 09:37 PM
 
I Believe in Fairies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 430
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I've been worried for Cynthia and Marg and HB most of the day as I ran around doing errands. I'm happy to know Cynthia safe and I will keep HB and Marg in my thoughts.

I can imagine how I'd feel if I heard my old home in SF had been the target of a bomb.
I Believe in Fairies is offline  
#41 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 09:57 PM
 
hydrangea's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Hudson Valley (NY)
Posts: 1,209
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I am so sorry about your friends, Hilary and Marg.

Cynthia, I am glad you are okay.

This is all so sad.
hydrangea is offline  
#42 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 10:42 PM
 
Hilary Briss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Been there, done that...
Posts: 3,412
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Last week, Saudi security forces fought with 19 alleged terrorists, who presumably are responsible for the bombings last night. The 19 men escaped capture, and are at large. Saudi authorities have found nine bodies in the bomb sites that they believe are the terrorists. What's happened to the other ten? Perhaps they are still lying in wait, planning additional bombings in the Kingdom. Maybe they will bomb some schools next, or large hotels. I don't think this round is over yet.
Hilary Briss is offline  
#43 of 58 Old 05-13-2003, 11:51 PM
Banned
 
Marlena's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,626
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by Ms. Mom

This incident really has me ruffled. I don't know why, but I have this feeling of dread that I can't seem to shake
That is surely an intended reaction on the part of those responsible.

I'm so glad our esteemed and well-respected administration is pursuing its level-headed and well thought out course of action in the Middle East, taking good account of the complexities and differences of the region and comprehending the possible reasons various groups turn to terrorism rather than simply dismissing any rationales for attacks out of hand apart from cold blood-lust or hatred of "freedom;" it will surely help prevent such attacks in the future. :
Marlena is offline  
#44 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 04:47 AM
 
I Believe in Fairies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 430
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Okay, this is way off subject but can someone explain compounds to me? I was looking at the websites and was not expecting to find Preschools.

Are these places where ex-pats (of whatever country) live? Why live in one concentrated spot? Are most Saudi cities split up into compounds like this?

My library trip is coming non-too-soon tomorrow. I feel like I should have the dunce cap on tonight.

The crown prince has had some pretty strong words about all this, according to CNN. I think they are the most clear words I've read from a political figure since pre 9/11.
I Believe in Fairies is offline  
#45 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 08:28 AM - Thread Starter
 
Ms. Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: MotheringDotCommune
Posts: 22,236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Compounds are like neighborhoods for people visiting or taking up temporary residence.

I don't beleive that regular citizens live on coupounds - HB could probubly explain it better.

My step sister lived on a compound when her husband was working temporarily overseas. She said they had a beautiful furnished home and it was like a neighborhood - only surrounded by barbed fences and intense security.

You're certainly not a dunce! The only reason I know is because of my step sister's experience several years ago.
Ms. Mom is offline  
#46 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 11:45 AM
 
CollegeMama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Emerald Forest
Posts: 2,130
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Cynthia, I'm so relieved you and yours are safe. Continue to be safe and cautious out there. I'm sending you love and light!

HB and Marg- I'm so sorry that you are experiencing this! I know you are glad you are here, but I bet part of you wishes you were there so you could help find that little girl and go visit your wounded friends. You are there in spirit and I'm sure your friends can feel your love from across the ocean.

I, too, am interested in finding out more about the reasoning behind separating the visitors and temp. residents.


Marcy
CollegeMama is offline  
#47 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 11:59 AM
 
CollegeMama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Emerald Forest
Posts: 2,130
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Nevermind, I mis-read the article I posted here!
CollegeMama is offline  
#48 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 12:55 PM
 
Marg of Arabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Madison Wisconsin
Posts: 3,673
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
One is not required to live in a compound. You are allowed to live in a Saudi neighborhood if you wish. If you do, you will have the same freedoms that Saudi men , women and children have. In other words I would have to wear my Abaya even to step outside to get something from the car.

Since so many westerners live and work in Saudi for many years(sometimes a lifetime), there are thousands of "western" walled in communities for them to live in all over the Kingdom.

Within these walls are beautiful villas, pools(we had 10 smaller pools on my compound and 2 huge ones), playgrounds,
recreational facilities of every kind, beauty parlors, restaurants, grocery stores(we had a Dairy Queen on our compound) tailors, and every ther kind of service you can think of. Some are huge and some are tiny. Women can dress as they want. Often walking around in nothing but a swimsuit. Men and woman can kiss, talk, hug, hold hands or whatever!! Women can smoke. All of these things could not be done off compound.

So, I am sure you can understand why people like to live in compounds. They are full service. Of course, I still went out into the city for shopping or restaurants nearly everyday. But, having a western home to go back to is priceless whilst living in an absolute monarchy ruled strict muslim country!!

My compound life was the best lifestyle I have ever or will ever have! We miss it soooo much. We are happy we got to experience it.

marg
Marg of Arabia is offline  
#49 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 12:57 PM
 
Joyce in the mts.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Adirondack Mts. of NY
Posts: 2,966
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...679768,00.html

The Bush's et al, are pretty heavy into the Carlyle Group...check this article. Is this connected to these attacks somehow?

Am I grasping at straws?

Funny how this info crops up after these attacks, isn't it? Another co-ink-ee-dink? Probably has nothing to do with anything.

Interesting though, eh?

And I am so very sorry for all losses and anguish that has come to our boardmates, their families and friends.

Glad for their safety in Wisconsin and other places, and praying for peace.

Wishing that our world would just be safe now, for everyone...Joyce in the mts.

CD Labor/Postpartum (MSTM), Doula trainer (BAI), Midwifery Student/Apprentice, CPS Tech
Joyce in the mts. is offline  
#50 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 01:03 PM
 
Marg of Arabia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Madison Wisconsin
Posts: 3,673
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I will post part of an e-mail we recieved from a Dutch friend who lives in a compound in Riyadh that was not bombed.

~[B]"The compound doesn’t allow any visitors to come. Yesterday we couldn’t even leave.



Somehow we all expected something would happen. You see that the trend has become more brutal

First shooting your way in. It seems that most of them were young kids, bored and unemployed. You see them
everyday on the road, driving like crazy taking no notice of the danger and the risks of an accident.



The Dutch newspapers reporting more than 90 dead and according to Henk this might be even more correct than the 21 they are officially printing. He talked to a doctor who was helping on Al Hamra and he concluded already 20 dead there. So who is right ?"[B]~


Why can't we get an accurate count of the dead?? I believe the Saudis may be covering up some #'s. All of the people we know who live there keep telling us much higher figures.

And why did the State Dept. say 91 deaths yesterday and then suddenly change their numbers about 2 hours later??

I don't get it??:
Marg of Arabia is offline  
#51 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 01:14 PM
 
Joyce in the mts.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Adirondack Mts. of NY
Posts: 2,966
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
More on Vinnell tie-in to bombing.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...885292950.html

More on the business side of Vinnell (a Northrup Company)

http://www.dyncorp-sucks.com/trw.htm
And, from link from the above site:

(Originally published by: From The Wilderness ) includes this bit:

"As the Bush Secretary of Defense during Desert Shield/Desert Storm (1990&endash;91), Cheney also directed special operations involving Kurdish rebels in northern Iran. The Kurds' primary source of income for more than 50 years has been heroin smuggling from Afghanistan and Pakistan through Iran, Iraq and Turkey.

Having had some personal experience with Brown & Root, I noted carefully when the Los Angeles Times observed that on March 22, 1991 a group of gunmen burst into the Ankara, Turkey, offices of joint venture Vinnell, Brown & Root and assassinated retired Air Force Chief Master Sergeant John Gandy....

....Today, the Vinnell Corporation (a TRW company) is one of the three pre-eminent private mercenary corporations in the world, along with the firms MPRI and DynCorp (see FTW, June 2000). It is also the dominant entity for the training of security forces throughout the Middle East."


What a tangled web this looks like more and more, eh?...Joyce in the mts.

CD Labor/Postpartum (MSTM), Doula trainer (BAI), Midwifery Student/Apprentice, CPS Tech
Joyce in the mts. is offline  
#52 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 04:32 PM
 
MamaOui's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Cynthia, I am happy to know you and your family are safe. Cynthia, Marg, and HB I am so sorry that this has happened.
MamaOui is offline  
#53 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 05:00 PM
 
Hilary Briss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Been there, done that...
Posts: 3,412
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
This article is about my friend and colleague. It is heartbreaking.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...885296211.html
Hilary Briss is offline  
#54 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 05:07 PM
 
madrone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: . . .
Posts: 1,903
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm so sorry.

: madrone - : SAHM to 12 y.o. DS, : 9 y.o. DD, and : 4 y.o. DS
madrone is offline  
#55 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 05:34 PM
 
Devi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,649
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
HB~I am so very sorry.
Devi is offline  
#56 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 05:35 PM
 
El Casey S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Deutsche Hauptstadt
Posts: 1,537
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally posted by Hilary Briss
This article is about my friend and colleague. It is heartbreaking.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...885296211.html
That is so sad, my heart goes out to the family and to you both . . .
El Casey S is offline  
#57 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 05:56 PM - Thread Starter
 
Ms. Mom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: MotheringDotCommune
Posts: 22,236
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
That really brings home how devistating this was. HB and MOA I'm so sorry for both of you. My heart is beaking for this family.
Ms. Mom is offline  
#58 of 58 Old 05-14-2003, 05:59 PM
pie
 
pie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Ojai
Posts: 0
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
hey hb and marg, do yall still have my email? I don't have yours. could you email me please? I need your address please, if possible.
pie is offline  
Reply

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off