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|If Jesus lived today, he would be crucified all over again. Jesus would be at the front lines of the peace rallies, defending a woman’s right to choose, and opposing Bush tax cuts. I’m serious! Groups that chastise such activities claim to be doing “the work of God,” yet they are acting the way the Pharisees did according to the Bible (the Pharisees, remember, crucified Jesus). How can anybody honestly claim to follow Jesus and not realize that Jesus was a liberal if there ever was one….and that is why he was killed!|
|Originally posted by Arduinna
yes, but didn't he introduce the idea of original sin, definately not AP IMO.
|The doctrine of original sin comes from Ezekiel 18:2
Ezekiel 18:2 is often cited as the origins of the idea that the sins of the parents are passed on to their children, and this idea is often incorrectly called original sin. This is not the definition of original sin, and Ezekiel 18:2 does not refer to original sin. The sins of the parents remain the sins of the parents and are not passed on to their children. The children have only their own sins, and do not take on sins of their parents. Often the children sin in imitation of their parents' sins; however, this is not original sin, and the children are only responsible of their own sins. As the definition above explains, original sin is not a sin, but a state of privation of grace. The doctrine of original sin comes primarily form Sacred Tradition; however, Sacred Scripture also makes reference to it: Genesis 2:17; Genesis 3:3; Genesis 3:19; Psalms 51:7; Psalms 88:16; Romans 5:12; Romans 5:18,19; 1 Corinthians 15:21.
|Dominion is not the same as tyranny. The Queen of England has "dominion" over her subjects, but that doesn't mean she can eat them, wear them, or experiment on them. If we have dominion over animals, surely it is to protect them, not to use them for our own ends. There is nothing in the Bible that would justify our modern-day policies and programs that desecrate the environment, destroy entire species of wildlife, and inflict torment and death on billions of animals every year. The Bible imparts a reverence for life; a loving God could not help but be appalled at the way animals are being treated.|
|Adriunna said~"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." That would be me then. I don't sin, and I do not believe that people are sinful.|
|I sincerely doubt that jesus and I agree on sin, especially since he endorsed the concept that it exists. Whereas I do not.
It's great that some Christians don't see dominion, or sin in the same way. But that doesn't change the fact that wrongs have been committed based on the the idea that humans have dominion or that people are inherantly sinful. That is really my point.
|Originally posted by Nursing Mother
Jesus never "enabled" people either. Taught hard work and personal and social responsibility....oh yeah and Jesus was most likely very much against abortion too....doesn't quite match up with the Democrat thing imo. I get your jist though
|The Bible doesn't support multi-national capitalist companies. Rather it says greed is a sin (1 Corinthians 6:10). The Bible doesn't support the notion that we all deserve to have big cars, big houses, and even bigger churches in which to worship. In fact, gluttony is a sin (Proverbs 28:7). The Bible doesn't even say we should oppose taxes. Christ told his followers to pay them (Mark 12:17).
................. in the very first Christian church, conservative Capitalism was not the rule of the day. The first church was pure Communism. In Acts 2:44-45 we read "All who believed were together and had all things in common; and they sold their possessions and goods and distributed them to all, as any had need." Sounds a lot like Karl Marx's famous statement about Communism when he wrote that it would take "from each according to his ability to each according to his need."
|Originally posted by madmax
Ok, Adriunna, he may have been with the "Greens"
Keep in mind all, I am being figurative and provoking thought, not speaking in literal terms. ~ especially given the fact that the democratic party wasn't formed until the 1800's ...
For you NM