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|....It turns out that the 2,000-year struggle for Jewish survival comes down to a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt lawbreakers who are deaf both to their citizens and to their enemies. A state lacking justice cannot survive. More and more Israelis are coming to understand this as they ask their children where they expect to live in 25 years. Children who are honest admit, to their parents' shock, that they do not know. The countdown to the end of Israeli society has begun......|
|When Moayad Hussain faces Israel's vast new "security fence" toward the beginning of its meandering journey through the occupied territories - which the Israeli government envisages will end nearly 400 miles later with almost the entire Palestinian population encircled - he is not looking out from the West Bank but into it. The fence carving through Baqa al-Sharqia's olive groves places the village and its 4,000 Palestinian residents on the Israeli side of the wire.
"We have asked ourselves the same question many times," says Hussain. "If the fence is for security, if the fence is to keep us out, then why aren't we on the other side? With every kilometre of fence [prime minister Ariel] Sharon builds we are sure there is only one answer. This is not about security, it's about land and resources."
|Originally posted by mahdokht
IThe Israeli army is just as guilty of the murder of innocent people as any palestinian suicide bomber.
|Originally posted by mahdokht
Oh yes, this is war. War is hell. When palestinians are targeted or murdered its justified in the name of self-preservation. When israeli's die its an outrageous offense against all that is right. Puleeze. .
|Originally posted by captain optimism
That's our fault, because we can't even talk about it without trying to argue that one death is worse than another.
|The Israeli army is just as guilty of the murder of innocent people as any palestinian suicide bomber.|
|Originally posted by dh2Carmen
Mom2six, with all this discussion of violence, that picture of your son being hit over the head is just so difficult to watch over and over!! Maybe this all starts with each of us, holding peace in our homes, loving our kids. That eye on that cartoon being batted about by the mallet on the head hurts to see as a representative for a child. Hard to take.
|Originally posted by mahdokht
"The charred flesh of dead palestinian children is just as much of an insult to humanity and to morality, just as repulsive to God as the flesh of jewish ones. "
But since the concensus is that this simply isn't the case, then there really is nothing to discuss.
|And 3boy4us, I agree with you again ... ... twice in one month, man, what's goin' on here?|
|Originally posted by merpk
And for an actual breakdown of the actual number of those killed, their ages and genders, all graphed out ... last updated in May, so it doesn't include all the fatalities since ... here is a study conducted about that very subject.
|In the Occupied Territories
2,115 Palestinians were killed by Israeli security forces in the Occupied Territories, of whom 389 were minors under the age of 18.
Ages of the minors killed: Seventy Two minors were age 17, Sixty Nine were age 16, Fifty Five were age 15, Fifty Three were age 14, Forty Four were age 13, Eighteen were age 12, Fourteen were age 11, Twelve were age 10, Six were age 9, Twelve were age 8, Four were age 7, Five were age 6, Four were age 5, Four were age 4, Six were age 3, Four were two years old, Five were One year old babies, One was a 6 month old baby girl and One was a four month old baby girl.
48 Palestinians, residents of the Occupied Territories, were killed by Israeli security forces gunfire. One of those killed was a minor aged 14.
346 Israeli civilians were killed by Palestinians, residents of the Occupied Territories. 70 of them were minors under the age of 18. Of them: Twelve were age 17, Thirteen were age 16, Fourteen were age 15, Six were age 14, Four were age 13, Three were age 12, One was age 11, One was age 10, One was age 9, Two were age 8, Two were age 7, One was age 5, Two were age 4, Two were age 3, One was an Eighteen month old baby, One was a 14 month old baby, One was a two years old baby, One was an Eleven month old baby, One was a nine month old baby, and One was a seven month old baby
|I wanted to debate the points of the article - which I guess you can't do.|
|... by Els' 3 Ones
... not if you just built it on my land. ...
|Pull out of the settlements?
Okay, but when there were no settlements, terrorists had wholesale easy access over Israel's borders and murdered indiscriminately. So what should Israel have done then? Made a fence? Or maybe the settlements aren't the problem, since the terrorists were doing the same thing when no settlements existed.
|Hand over control of land to the PA?
Recall that throughout Oslo Israel continuously handed over control of land to the PA, so that large swaths of it had no Israeli presence. And throughout it, the suicide bombings continued, so obviously that wasn't the problem.
|Stop all military action against terrorists, or reprisals?
Remember also there were long stretches of restraint, even during Sharon's tenure. And restraint, and restraint, and the attacks against Israeli civilians would continue. Until what? Should Israel just sit back and say, "Go ahead, keep exploding bombs and killing our people, we won't do anything to stop you or deter you, because we don't want to upset you?"
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