[QUOTE]Originally posted by oatmeal
Hi jannan. Sorry to see you got your a** flamed for bringing up this topic without lauding the Israelis for their actions first.[QUOTE]
Nope, that's not correct. She got her a** flamed, at least by me, for making the Israelis=Nazis analogy while not knowing either what the Nazis did nor what the Israelis are doing. Do you? I must say, I totally oppose Israel building this wall but I have NO PATIENCE with people who make these kinds of inflammatory statements.
The wall is an insidious and evil act of apartheid which will only inflame terrorist activity and result in more dead bodies on both sides.[/B][quote]
The wall is wrong, yes. But not because it's apartheid or ghettoization. Apartheid, as I understood it, was characterized by extreme racialization, and I don't think this is about race--it's more about national aspirations and the control of territory.
To me, the wall is bad because it's a pre-emptive land grab that cuts up Palestinian territory, so that if and when Israel ever returns to the bargaining table, the Palestinians will be at an even greater disadvantage. If you look at a map of the wall, you will see that it is inside the Green Line (the border between 1948 Israel and the lands Israel conquered in the 1967 war, aka the West Bank.)
How can the Palestinians ever agree to a Palestinian state if it is cut up so that there can't even be economic cooperation between the "cantons"? So the wall ruins the chances for negotiation, because there can't be anything like viability. It is costing Israel a ton of money to build it, and it's totally unenforceable as a barrier to illicit crossings into Israel.
It's also part of Sharon's policies to get Israelis to support this by making it all about suicide bombings. If not for the "security" rationale, there wouldn't be support for it--the majority (generally 70%) of Israelis would rather give up the territory and let the Palestinians be responsible for themselves. (at least they do feel that way unless you survey their opinion right after a big suicide bombing.) You see, all this occupied territory is under military administration, and Israelis have a very full participation in their army. So they are much more likely to want peace than say, we here in the States, where only a small percentage of the citizens serve.
|May the Palestinians have their separate state and the opression end and the killing cease. [/B]
From your mouth to God's ear.