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If you believe in, support, look fondly on, hope for, and/or work towards equality of the sexes, you are a feminist.
Yes, you are.
|Originally posted by Marlena
I definitely like the sentiment. And I'm a feminist, though I wouldn't define feminism quite as Sars does.
However, I gotta nitpick about one thing. Talk about "equality of the sexes" often assumes, often unconsciously, that men are the standard and women's status must become the same as men's. This can be a problem. Setting aside the issue of gender (so what really consitutes "masculinity" and "femininity," anyway?) and taking U.S. white stereotypes at face value, and assuming we're using the stereotype of the U.S. white male (if there is such a creature) as the paradigm, there are quite a number of aspects of "masculinity" that I, at least, sure don't want to see enshrined as "normal" and to be something to which women should aspire. If you say, in response, "I mean LEGAL equality, not that women should become like (the mythical stereotypical US white) men," then you have to contend with the fact that our legal system (and the social system built up around it - take employment laws, as one significant example) has enshrined many of the (IMO) negative, we-really-don't-want-to-emulate-and-elevate-this kinda values within it. Do we really want this? Or are we looking for something more subtle, something requiring more transformation, perhaps?
|Originally posted by mamaduck
This a really crucial point, I think. If we want true equality, then we want women to play an equal role in define values and setting the standards by which "the good" and the desirable are determined. We don't just want "what men have." We want access to the process of defining why and how they got it. We want to start from scratch, basically, and transform society so that it becomes a more accurate reflection of the goals, values, and hearts of both men AND women. If we could attain this level of equality, then the way the world is run will change significantly.
Feminist vision and all that.