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Mama, you have to go where you're being fed. Time spent traveling to Mass is never wasted.
Conservative/liberal division is a bunch of crock and I'm not about to jump in and say what's what --There is a clear set of rules and Canon law and we have a Pope for that. The truth is, we should be intellectually honest enough to know the difference. If you're attending a Parish with rampant modernism and irreverence, how can you expect to grow in Piety? You've gotta protect your faith and the eyes and ears of your children.
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I have a question about Reconciliation. I just moved out of state two days ago and I am technically without a parish. I need to go to Reconciliation, I've needed to go for 3 weeks now so I've been that long without partaking of Communion but due to our move schedule and the lack of hours it is offered at most parishes I haven't been able to get there.

Have any of you called and made an appointment with the priest outside of posted Reconciliation times? My first confession was not anonymous and I think I would like to try it that way but making an appointment sort of defeats that I would imagine.

Why isn't Reconciliation offered more than 1/2 hour per week at most parishes?!

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Why isn't Reconciliation offered more than 1/2 hour per week at most parishes?!
because few parishioners or priests value the sacrament as they should.

I would call the priest and ask if he can hear your private confession a short time before the Mass you can make it to, I have come to church early and made that request before and never been denied.

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Just call the priest I am sure he would be wiling to accommodate you. My friend said that she visited a parish in Fl. and they only offered confession twice a year. I can't even imagine that.
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I just wanted to introduce myself as I just found this thread today!

Our Parish has reconciliation on Saturday mornings and afternoon and by appointment. You can almost always make an appointment with your priest -- but be flexible...they are ridiculously busy people. I work at a parish and we have a joke that we only see our pastor twice a year...at Easter and Christmas....because he's always running around out of the office.

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how to convince dh that it is time for the *sacrament* of marriage....ie/ I want a God-blessed union & he's happy with our civil union....

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how to convince dh that it is time for the *sacrament* of marriage....ie/ I want a God-blessed union & he's happy with our civil union....
Take him to a Christopher West seminar...or at least get one/some of his books.

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I'm interested to get some thoughts from some more experienced Catholic moms. How do you decide if/when to temporarily take your child out of the sanctuary to regain control while minimizing disturbing other worshipers? Is it based on age? volume? timing? length of disturbance? Where do you sit at mass? Also, how much of mass is it appropriate to miss and still go to communion? I usually don't go if I miss the Penitential Rite or large chunks of the Eucharistic Prayer, but I want to know if there are any guidelines or what other parents do.

My dd is 3 months old, and so far, she mostly sleeps during Sunday mass because I'm standing and singing in the choir. I have had to take her out a couple times when she's screaming and doesn't calm down within a few seconds. I'll usually try to nurse her or comfort her depending on what I think she needs, and if that doesn't immediately calm her down, out we go.

I usually try to go to daily mass too, though, and she's not always asleep and sometimes noisy. The daily masses don't use microphones, so there's no place I can go that I can hear the mass, but they can't hear my baby. Sometimes, she's awake and babbling, and I don't have too much of a problem with that at this age. She's not old enough yet to understand me if I try to quiet her. I usually only leave if I think that she is so loud that the other people around me are going to have a hard time hearing, and most of the time, I'll try standing in the back of the church with her first.

I'm of the belief that children are an important part of the church and they belong in the sanctuary in a place that they can see unless they have really lost control and need a moment and some privacy to regain it. At the same time, I don't want to draw anyone away from their worship while taking too long to resolve or remove the distraction.

I remove DD if she is consistent and loud. She gets in a few hollers every week, but they are ususally random.

We got an outdated missal from our parish priest and bring it w/ us every week. That helps to avoid defacing the books. They are so tempting...every baby I know wants to grab them and chew on them.

We also sit in the back of the church so we can leave quickly. If we make it to another parish, we sit in the very front on the right b/c the architecture allows us to leave quickly and privately.

It was getting lonely to take her and stand in the back, so now whether DH holds her or I hold her, we stay in the back together and participate from there if she gets crazy. (ETA to clarify: not talking about socialisation, but participating in the mass as a family).

The parish we attend is very large and young. The cry room has folding chairs and still can't accomodate the number of people. We don't even bother to go in there. :

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I have a question about Reconciliation. I just moved out of state two days ago and I am technically without a parish. I need to go to Reconciliation, I've needed to go for 3 weeks now so I've been that long without partaking of Communion but due to our move schedule and the lack of hours it is offered at most parishes I haven't been able to get there.

Have any of you called and made an appointment with the priest outside of posted Reconciliation times? My first confession was not anonymous and I think I would like to try it that way but making an appointment sort of defeats that I would imagine.

Why isn't Reconciliation offered more than 1/2 hour per week at most parishes?!
If you can't find one of the regular times to go to confession, you've got to make an appointment with a priest. No, it's not anonymous, but the priest's job is not to judge or condemn you. It is to be a representative for Christ to forgive your sins and welcome you joyfully back into Communion with the Church. If you feel that you have separated yourself from God's grace, run back to him.

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Tell him how you feel. Is he Catholic?

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We got an outdated missal from our parish priest and bring it w/ us every week. That helps to avoid defacing the books. They are so tempting...every baby I know wants to grab them and chew on them.
I'll have to remember that for when my DD gets old enough to grab stuff.
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Yes dh is cradle-Catholic, but doesn't attend with us because religion was "shoved down his throat" in elementary school. He finds no joy and I think doesn't spend much time with God. prayer or thoughts or meditation or otherwise.

Dh is, however, conscious of God's blessings and even attributes our happy successful marriage and family as a gift from God, so maybe that's a good stepping stone....

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My nearly 3 year old is extremely disruptive during Mass. I am the part time music director at our parish, so my DH has to take both girls to Mass because I am usually playing. She will not listen, sit still, or really do anything she doesn't want to do. So he puts her in the Nursery, which is just fine with me...for now. My older daughter comes to church with him. As she gets a bit older and a bit more reasonable, he will start bringing her into church with him.

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Has anyone seen the new Encyclical Letter? I haven't read it yet, but hope to get around to it this week.

http://www.zenit.org/article-26386?l=english

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Thanks for posting. I just read a small amount and am looking forward to reading it more carefully. I was glad to see rupture theology shot down and I hope to see the answers to the obvious questions to be included. Sometimes I wonder if the folks promoting rupture theology have ever read a single Church document, so this may not make a difference, but it's still good.

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I just watched the movie Doubt last night, and found it powerful (though I've heard it was phenomenal on stage) - I'd be interested to see what others thought.
I loved Doubt. Fantastic movie.


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We don't know anyone to serve as godparents though. That is the main reason they haven't been baptised yet.
This need not be an issue. Ask your pastor or parish life director for recommendations from the parish. Technically, you can have a non-Catholic "Christian sponsor" (a close friend or relative) as well.


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Things are well here, I am in my 3rd trimester now, and we are expecting another boy: DD is crushed that she isn't getting her sister that she longs for.
Congrats, my dear friend! When are you due (DD's b'day is coming up soon)? Miss BB was devastated when Mr J was born and he was a boy .... until she held him, and then she adored him from that moment on! Tell your girl that she can come visit anytime and my girls will love all over her!!

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:Spero: I've missed you so much! How much do I have to pay you to get on facebook? I can't tell you how often I wish you were on there

I know DD will love the little man, she loves DS3 (who is 2) and did from the first time she held him, even though she stood at his U/S yelling "No, you are a GIRL!".

She really wanted someone that she could "dress up" and not have daddy get annoyed like he does when she does it to her brothers .

How are things with you and yours?

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I just wanted to jump in on this thread. I've been away from MDC for about 2 years now.
I became Catholic in 2005. My husband is a cradle catholic and we have always raised our children as Catholic. My youngest is making her First Communion this coming spring.
I am school secretary at my kids' school (catholic prek-8 school) 3/4 time and 1/4 time parish DRE assistant. We live 1/2 block from our church and school and it is very much a part of all of our lives.

I look forward to being part of the Catholic mamas on this board. :

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I've missed you too, sweetie. Hope your little one is feeling better.


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The past few months have been a wild ride. Can't share everything just yet, but the Lord's definitely at work and big stuff is on the horizon. I've just finished my first year of the Formation for Ministry Program, and it ROCKS. FMP has brought amazing, wonderful stuff (and people) into my life. The second year is shaping up to be even better than the first!

I was officially put on the payroll as youth minister this year. : Validation, hooray! Our youth group is thriving and the kids are GREAT.

I've lost almost 20 lbs since April, and I'm feeling fantastic.

Kids are great. J-Man & I are now Eucharistic Ministers. He just finished his first year of college. Miss BB - who will be a junior (!) next year - is headed up to Music & Liturgy Camp in a couple of weeks (same place J-Man went for Christian Leadership Institute). Mr J will begin junior high next year, and Miss Banana will start fourth grade in the accelerated learning program.

I'm really, really blessed.

Right now I'm doing a women's study on the Ascent Psalms called "Stepping Up", by Beth Moore. I found the workbook in the clearance bin at Barnes & Noble, and the Lord practically yelled in my ear to buy it. I highly recommend it for anyone whose faith life needs a little kick.

I know that my particular views aren't popular here, but if anyone reading this thread is looking for some really good, thinking-outside-the-box Catholic teaching materials, I have a ton of great stuff from FMP that I'd be happy to recommend. Just in case anyone is interested in a different POV - one that, I might add, is closer to the actual historical church of Jesus. PM me if you're interested, so I won't disrupt this thread for the umpteenth time.

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I am thinking about converting and I have received some info from the local parish. Some info that I was told about birth control seemed to conflict with some of the things that I have read. I didn't really feel comfortable pushing the issue with the person that I was talking with and even though I agreed with the answer that I got I'm still not sure it makes sense.

They told me that the issue of whether or not to use b/c is a matter of conscience. So if you feel that it is best for your family to stop having children then you can use b/c with the knowledge that you will have to explain this to God when you are judged. Then they told me that I would not have to confess using it because it was done consciously on my part and that it is something that is not really discussed in the church among parishioners due to conflicting opinions.

But what I read is that using anything aside from abstinence or NFP is a mortal sin, needs to be confessed and you need to refrain from taking communion while using b/c.

I understand that Catholics fall everywhere on the spectrum of this issue and that I have to do a lot of searching and praying about where I am at. Can anyone clarify this a bit more for me? Is it a mortal sin or is it ok if done consciously?
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I am thinking about converting and I have received some info from the local parish. Some info that I was told about birth control seemed to conflict with some of the things that I have read. I didn't really feel comfortable pushing the issue with the person that I was talking with and even though I agreed with the answer that I got I'm still not sure it makes sense.

They told me that the issue of whether or not to use b/c is a matter of conscience. So if you feel that it is best for your family to stop having children then you can use b/c with the knowledge that you will have to explain this to God when you are judged. Then they told me that I would not have to confess using it because it was done consciously on my part and that it is something that is not really discussed in the church among parishioners due to conflicting opinions.

But what I read is that using anything aside from abstinence or NFP is a mortal sin, needs to be confessed and you need to refrain from taking communion while using b/c.

I understand that Catholics fall everywhere on the spectrum of this issue and that I have to do a lot of searching and praying about where I am at. Can anyone clarify this a bit more for me? Is it a mortal sin or is it ok if done consciously?

check out www.christopherwest.com

http://www.ewtn.com/library/MARRIAGE/CCLBC.TXT

http://www.catholic.com/library/Birth_Control.asp

"...some maintain that the Church considers the use of contraception a matter... according to their "individual conscience." Yet, nothing could be further from the truth. The Church has always maintained...that deliberate acts of contraception are always gravely sinful... it is mortally sinful if done with full knowledge and deliberate consent (CCC 1857)"

individual Catholics might have personal opinions. are you wondering what the majority believe or what the teaching is?

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Well I was kind of given the ok to use it if that was my choice and told that I would not need to confess it. But I was taken aback when I later read that it is a mortal sin. The person told me that Catholics fall all over on the spectrum of the issue of b/c - those who never use any, those who use only NFP and those who use b/c consciously.

I am willing to use NFP and be open to the possibility of having more babies that are not really "planned for". At this time my preference is to not have any more children but that could always change. So I was kind of relived to hear that we could continue to use our mix of NFP with withdrawal/condoms during fertile times but at the same time I don't want to be committing a mortal sin. I have a feeling that if I do convert and decide to go NFP only my dh will get a vasectomy (he's agnostic) so the issue may not arise but still I'm utterly confused. Thanks for the links.
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Well I was kind of given the ok to use it if that was my choice and told that I would not need to confess it. But I was taken aback when I later read that it is a mortal sin. The person told me that Catholics fall all over on the spectrum of the issue of b/c - those who never use any, those who use only NFP and those who use b/c consciously.

I am willing to use NFP and be open to the possibility of having more babies that are not really "planned for". At this time my preference is to not have any more children but that could always change. So I was kind of relived to hear that we could continue to use our mix of NFP with withdrawal/condoms during fertile times but at the same time I don't want to be committing a mortal sin. I have a feeling that if I do convert and decide to go NFP only my dh will get a vasectomy (he's agnostic) so the issue may not arise but still I'm utterly confused. Thanks for the links.

Yeah, the actual teaching is pretty steadfast and clear. But I think there is a vocal group of American Catholics who really support artificial birth control as a choice outside of following Christ's Church. If people who are baptized Catholic choose to do something, well that is their choice and their belief. You can't deny that. But if you are wondering what the actual teaching is, the catechism, all the popes, scripture and oral Tradition stick to one thing: voluntary obstruction of conception can be mortally sinful. (of course, recall that a mortal sin requires three things: full knowledge, full consent and grave matter).

I find the advice you were given to be more heinous than relativist because it in a way directly influences you towards mortal sin. You have knowledge of the situation, what ABC is, etc. And you are being told that you should consciously choose it. And on top of that, they are discouraging you from the sacrament of penance, making it so that you are cut off from the special grace and reconciliation of that sacrament. In a way that's ensuring you have no excuse or out and no redemption. Kind of angers me when I think abou it actually. I suppose misery loves company and wants you to join.

Also, you mention that your DH is agnostic and IIRC there is more to the teaching for an interfaith couple. For example, you would be bound to follow His teachings, but if your DH refused and wore a condom, you could partake in the marital embrace w/o incurring mortal sin. That's simplified, but a google search can get you more.

If possible, I highly recommend getting some of Christopher West's books. His analogous and energetic way of introducing the topic makes it a good choice when partners are disagreeing on this subject. I've been to some of his seminars and give him two thumbs up.

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It's so nice to see such catholic activity here lately! I haven't read the most recent encyclical letter yet except a couple of quotes that my priest has brought to our attention already. I am looking forward to reading it.

Spero- I'm glad your life seems to be going in so many great directions! You sound really happy.

Welcome back Giraffelovingmama!

I am going to be going to a different church for the next couple of weeks and I really hope that I will enjoy it and not feel annoyed like I often do there. My kids usually behave pretty well, but the sermons I frequently find lacking. That's what I get for getting used to a priest who is a very good homilist!

I am feeling good in my faith right now, except in one area. My dh doesn't want any more children and recently I have had such a longing to share our blessed life with one more precious child. I am having a hard time dealing lately. I figured you ladies might understand and I don't really want to talk about it with anyone IRL but I feel the need to share this burden with someone who understands. Have any of you been thru this? We practice NFP so it would be easy to "slip up", but that is deceitful and disrespectful to our marriage and I promised him I would never do that. BTW, he is not catholic and doesn't oppose birth control but is fine with just using NFP. And he knows it works since we have used it to avoid and achieve pregnancy for 10 years! I feel like at this point I am praying for a miracle every month. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anyone have any interesting thoughts on the Year of the Priest?

I hope you all have a good rest of the week!

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It's so nice to see such catholic activity here lately! I haven't read the most recent encyclical letter yet except a couple of quotes that my priest has brought to our attention already. I am looking forward to reading it.

Spero- I'm glad your life seems to be going in so many great directions! You sound really happy.

Welcome back Giraffelovingmama!

I am going to be going to a different church for the next couple of weeks and I really hope that I will enjoy it and not feel annoyed like I often do there. My kids usually behave pretty well, but the sermons I frequently find lacking. That's what I get for getting used to a priest who is a very good homilist!

I am feeling good in my faith right now, except in one area. My dh doesn't want any more children and recently I have had such a longing to share our blessed life with one more precious child. I am having a hard time dealing lately. I figured you ladies might understand and I don't really want to talk about it with anyone IRL but I feel the need to share this burden with someone who understands. Have any of you been thru this? We practice NFP so it would be easy to "slip up", but that is deceitful and disrespectful to our marriage and I promised him I would never do that. BTW, he is not catholic and doesn't oppose birth control but is fine with just using NFP. And he knows it works since we have used it to avoid and achieve pregnancy for 10 years! I feel like at this point I am praying for a miracle every month. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anyone have any interesting thoughts on the Year of the Priest?

I hope you all have a good rest of the week!

peace and health,
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I'm sorry Jenny. That can be a hard burden on a heart. Maybe just keep the communication lines open...maybe something else is stopping him?

Before marriage, DH and I used to joke about have a dozen children. I thought it was clear between us that we would pop 'em out w/o counting. But a few times he has spit out the number 5 which put me off balance. We talked about it before it became unsettling to me and it turns out he has new feelings about what it means to support a baby (with all respect to him...sounds like the new dad freaking about finances cliche). So we dug into the issue and it resulted in us taking out a huge insurance policy on him through his work and starting a separate savings acct just for the kid(s). He is back to his normal kid loving self.

These big issues usually have many little concerns woven into the background, kwim?

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Hi everybody! I only have second this morning, have to get DD off to camp, but wanted to chime in.

DH and I have actively avoided pregnancy for 5 years, after a traumatic birth of DS. We havne't used artificial BC, but have avoided, IYKWIM. Anyway, I'll come back to tell my story, but we recently both received insights from the Holy Spirit that we were to stop avoiding pregnancy and submit our will to the will of God. Well, we did, and a week later, guess what! yup, I'm expecting!

I did not think I would have more children, and at 40 years old, I thought our lives were going in a different direction, but I couldn't be happier. Without getting into too personal stuff, when we decided to submit our "experience" was incredibly beautiful, on a level neither one of us had ever experienced (and we've been together for 21 years) We both knew right away I was pregnnt and waited weeks to take the test.

I am completely at ease with this,knowing that God has a plan for us and if we completely submit to His will we will be perfectly fine.

I'll come back with more when I have time. Love and prayers to all.

Oh, to the poster thinking of converting -pray,pray,pray! The Holy Spirit will direct you.

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Hello mamas! Just found this thread and thought I would introduce myself. We are a Catholic family expecting our 10th baby next month, how blessed we are.

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OK, I tried humor, didn't work.

Ladies, I've been doing this whole thing with the Catholic Mamas threads here for years. Right now, I see that we need a step back and a LOT of charity all the way around. We can have controversial discussions in Religious Studies, our thread will be shut down by the mods if we try to do it here.

We also have newcomers to the faith, and while I get that both sides are thinking they are "doing right" by the newcomers, the lack of charity makes us all look bad and doesn't say much for us as followers of Christ.

I've seen enough of many of you ladies around these boards for a while and I know you are all far more charitable than what this is looking like right now.


(feel free to remind me that I am not in charge around here, I may just sit my fat pregnant self on you! No, seriously, I just care about everyone here very much)

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I haven't visited this thread for a while and can see that I came in at a tense time. I do however hope that some of you can offer me some good advice on a family matter.

I have a cousin who is a non-practicing Roman Catholic. He is getting married in August outside of the Church. DH and I already sent our regrets because I am due 2 days before their wedding day. We were planning on going to show support to my cousin's mother (my aunt) because we know that this is a tough subject to approach.

I am happy that this couple is in love and ready to start their life together...although I believe that they have been living together for quite some time. I do however have reservations about the way that they are getting married.

I recently spoke to my own Mom about it and she is going to support her sister. Their Aunt (my Great Aunt) spoke to my Mom about ther wedding a couple of weeks ago. She privately expressed her saddness and disgust over the matter and said that it would only be proper not to attend the wedding. She did however note that she understands my mother going to support her sister.

I actually find myself pleasantly refreshed to know that there are still strong Catholics out there who feel as I do deep down. I know it's wrong to get maried outside of the Church as well as deciding not to be a practiving member of the Church.

My point in writing this is because, I wonder if there is a polite and gentle way to express my happiness to this couple while expressing my regret that they have not involved the Church in this most special day.

Is it really not my place? Is my best option to just pray for them?

Thanks for reading.

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I'd just pray and hope. Offer any support you can that's appropriate and make sacrifices for their marriage. That's my advice. It's good that you are thinking of them. I always hope that friends and relatives pray for my marriage.

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I keep losing my posts. Computer burps or something. Anyway here goes a shorter version.

Unless you have the kind of relationship where you talk about faith, I would pray for their conversion. Maybe at a later date you can plant the seed about having the marriage convalidated if that applies.
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