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My husband, meanwhile, was raised with a very strong faith. His mother is actually in the process of becomming a Lutheran minister. He is now outspokenly athiest and feels very negatively towards religion AND feels basically duped and lied to. Upset that he put in so much effort and time into something he now considers a lie/fairy tale. Basically, I think it can go either way, kwim. I know a lot of people who were raised without religion and are perfectly happy that way. If you want to feel better about being religion-free you might want to read some Sam Harris.
(PS Good to "see" you around)
I agree with TiredX2 that the street runs both ways. I was raised in a very strict, conservative household and I have spent a lifetime trying to rid myself of the baggage of my youth. To this day, I feel incredibly inadequate for once believing everything that I was told as if such things were cold, hard facts. I never questioned anything. "Truth" came in one set of clothes and anything outside that framework was highly discouraged.
DH and I could both describe ourselves as agnostic. I think it is important to talk your children about what you think or believe, or your lack of belief in something that others believe in. I think it is okay to express doubt. One thing that DH and I are trying very hard to do is to provide DD with information and knowledge from a wide variety of sources. I am confident that she is an intelligent human being and will reach her own conclusions as she matures. She has a close Roman Catholic friend and sometimes she'll ask me about all the crosses in her friend's house and over their beds. She'll ask about the statues that she sees in the Chinese restaurant or why certain women in our neighborhood always wear their heads covered. It sort of keeps me on my toes because I need to explain it in a way which is unbiased, but at the same time making her aware that we don't do that or any other across-the-board religious practices because we have our own doubts about such things. She seems to take it in stride, but I think it is because we don't hold back on explaining the historical contexts in which people practice religion/faith. If she choses to delve into some faith at some later time, I want her to do it with eyes wide open. I think a little bit of knowledge goes a long way.
I'll be upfront and say I wasn't raised with Santa, and I am not raising my kid with it. :)
We are spiritual agnostics, and believe that there are boundless possibilities as far as a higher power(s) and the afterlife go. We are going to have our child(ren) study world religions, and engage in philosophical conversation as much as possible. I want them to know everything that is out there, so they can make their own choice about religion/spirituality/or lack thereof.
Wifey (23) and Hubby (23) since 07/08. Enjoying DS born 8/6/11!
I was raised Lutheran, and while I question many things I used to believe, I also remember that the idea of a loving caring God was very important and comforting to me as a child and still is. I do want my children to be able to enjoy that comfort, but I do not lie to them and pretend believing in aspects I don't believe anymore.
I guess experiencing one's parents as honest about they believe is more important than the actual content of the belief.
I'm an agnostic/humanist, DH is more atheist - and as our child(ren) gets older I'd like to share with them my hopes (or maybe they are beliefs) for good in the world irrespective of its source, and the beauty of it. I'd like for them to find joy and comfort in knowing that there is love waiting for them. I think I would like to be honest about world religions with them with both the good and the bad.
AP Mom to 5
I'm not UU, but I'm a Presbyterian married to a man who is basically an atheist, or maybe an atheist with pagan leanings. He doesn't really talk about religion much at all. Funny you should mention Santa Claus, because my children went to a Christian preschool and kindergarten and both of them seemed to believe in God, but right around the time they realized that Santa wasn't real, and all those other things, they stopped believing in God. My 7 year old is quite adamant that there is no God, and she gets angry if you try and pretend things with her.
I am really enjoying this thread. My dad was brought up very religiously and was going to become a minister. Once he started college he had to take a comparative religions class and he couldn't get his head around how so many different religions all had similar/different beliefs - how could he ever know his was the right one?
My brother and I were raised agnostically Christian. Mom took us to a Methodist church sometimes and one year youth group was cool but mostly church was boring. We learned the prayer "Now I lay me down to sleep" and it scared the crap out of me. We were not baptized as children because my parents thought it should be a choice, not something done to us. We were "dedicated" in the Methodist church, whatever that means.
Fast forward and I went from agnostic to Wiccan to generic pagan to UU / atheist. My brother went from heavy drug user to Buddhist to Wiccan to born-again, baptized-in-the-river evangelical Christian.
DH is an ex-Catholic atheist. DD does not believe in God at this point. If she brings it up, we discuss all kinds of things people believe and ask what she thinks. Same applies to Santa, et al. (She knows I am the tooth fairy and the Easter bunny and Santa and is fine with it. She likes to play those games because they are fun. DH and I hadn't planned to do them with her but her grandparents on both sides started it up and we decided it would be OK as long as we didn't string her along with a bunch of crap.)
The thing that's been the hardest for us so far was last summer/fall. DD has anxiety and fell into a terrible depression after being bullied at a private school. She realized her own mortality around this time and became extremely fearful of death; every night for weeks she would have hour-long crying fits that almost made her vomit. She would ask us "Why do we have to die?" and "Why is death on this planet?" Eventually she started asking "What's the point of living if we're all just going to die?" Good existential discussion for high schoolers, but not fun with an obsessive, depressed 6-7 year old. We talked about lots of different things she could believe but she just couldn't choose to believe in any of the religious ideas people had about death, and I just couldn't bring myself to try and convince her to believe, even though it may have ended her and our immediate suffering. (She has been in therapy since August and is doing amazing now. She's back to her normal, fun and gregarious, but very intense self.) I'm a bit worried about how she will be when our old dog does die, but for now we can discuss it without her breaking down.
I think UU handles everything quite well, actually through the Religious Education program. Kids develop their own set of beliefs and "code" to live by. Most programs I'm aware of do a really good job at exposing kids to a wide variety of faiths, without touting one as superior or true or whatever. My guess is that your UU church probably has a subset of Atheist Mamas and Dads. I don't feel you need to burst their bubble in any way. I think if you're true to yourself, your kids will know that.
Mom to DS(8), DS(6), DD(4), and DS(1). "Kids do as well as they can."
DH and I are atheist. We were raised Jehovahs Witness. In a departure from that we handle most questions about death, religion etc with-"Well this is what I believe, what do you think?" SO our plan is to provide whatever information they ask for and then honestly be okay with whatever they eventually choose. It makes it hard when at least one set of grandparents are still very religious and not real open to other peoples beliefs, but we work through it.
I don't think this really fits in with the conversation, neccesarily. I can't not post my opinion on this though. Before deciding whether or not Tinkerbell has any historical links I would do a little research. I find that people's creative expression is really rarely anything new. There is a quote that comes to mind; "All events are old events happening to new people". And I see this to be the same for ideas. Just like a scientist can't create life they can only rearrange the cells, a musician can't create new notes only rearrange them, I think we humans really can only presents existing thoughts or ideas in rearranged ways.
My point is, there probably is a lot of history tied to Tinkerbells character. And this is precisely why I screen very heavily on tv. Who are these people ? (disney, nickolodeon or whatever). What do they believe? What gives them the right to speak into my kids lives? and What results are going to come from the influence of this character in any child's life.
Sorry to anyone who thinks this has nothing to do with the conversation. I just think that if you are so quick to screen god or God out, you should give some thought to the origins of this so-called Tinkerbell.
Well even though I may have lost all credibility with the last post... here goes again.
IMO all those who have posted their opinions here have done so to their ability based on their life experiences, which probably covers about 2-3 maybe 4 generations. If I were you and had this question, I would read through history and try to find how being raised with God or a lack of God affects individuals and societies when those beliefs are implimented over many generations. I think either way the results of views are just as valid to your question, but maybe a longer time frame was something that you wouldn't have thought of. I definitely believe that a God or a lack of God would affect more than just the lives of self or of someones children. It's effects are exponential and may make some huge rifts one way or the other in the way history pans out from here.
Referring to the above I second PlayaMama's "why?" I don't really get the whole positive atheism vs negative atheism thing. Can someone please explain that to me and why its important to distinguish between them?
btw - I've really found this whole thread very interesting and really enjoyed reading it through, it's given me a lot to think about.
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