It is my belief that religion/spirituality and society fall into one of two categories: the Ladder and the Wheel.
The Ladder is the ideology of the patriarchal way of life. Think phallus; think erect; think logic; think power. Think of the rungs of a ladder. At the bottom, Hell, sin, bad, evil, powerlessness. At the top, Heaven, purity, ultimate power. There are only two ways: up or down, and one's life is spent trying to climb up the rungs of this ladder.
The Wheel is the matriarchal way of life. Think of a circle; round, soft, full... like a woman's breasts, swollen belly, the cycles of the seasons.... the Wheel shows us that there is no up and down, no top, no bottom, just a never-ending passage of One, through lightness, into darkness, back into Light again, where all things, all thoughts, all reasoning, all "good", all "bad", all ideas and beliefs coexist together in one sphere, feeding off and into one another and each other... the Divine Dichotomy, so to speak.
Where do your beliefs about life and spirituality fall? The phallus of the fatherly ladder or the circle of the motherly wheel?
I have to say that my beleifs fall not into either example you gave. I think it is much more than an either or. For me it is more like a spiral on a horizonal. While a spiral does go round in cycles, each time we return to the cycle it has moved on, is somewhat different and yet the same. Still there is an insperarable link between story and time. The story of faith and the cycles of time. Also in the spiral the patriarch and the matriarch are merged into complimentary and egaully valued aspects. As to
|all "good", all "bad" coexist together in one sphere|
The wheel thing doesn't apply to me really because we are doing more than going around in circles. While we go in and out of cycles we aren't just going around in circles. At least I'm not.
Anyway, this probably wasn't what you were looking for/ asking but just my $ .02 on the topic.
The truest answer to violence is love. The truest answer to death is life. The only prevention for violence is for the heart to have no violence within it. We cannot prevent evil through any system devised by mankind. But we can grapple with evil and defeat it, but only with love—real love.
Reverendmother -- yes, yes! Maybe I should have said "spiral", but I think the circle (which is round, like the spiral) gives a better analogy of the matriarchal theme - round, full, etc. And it is possible for infinite numbers of circles to come around and overlap, producing infinite possibilities on many levels, depending upon our personal choices and the choices made - both conciously and subconsciously - by our planet as a whole...
I'm not sure I am being clear and with the upcoming 4th I better put my brain on "rest mode" for awhile. See you all after the holiday
In our pagan rituals we often talk about the wheel of life turning, the seasons, the way women move through stages of maiden-mother-crone.
There are so many other examples, and I'm not feeling that articulate right now (sleep deprived, colicky ds). I just wanted to chime in because I liked the way you worded the contrast between ladder/wheel...
I also don't have a problem with candiland's notion of the "divine dichotomy" of good and bad. I don't understand that to mean they are one and the same, simply that they spring from the same source, which is our nature. But I do understand that if you believe in an all-good God then the concept wouldn't work for you. For me, I read "Damien" by Herman Hesse which deals with this concept and felt like I had come home.
I do not believe there is a right/wrong answer, I just am curious
I do not like being an either / or girl
- for a long time, and still, the ladder vs wheel controversy has brought me challenge from within, I sometimes meditate only to be disturbed by figures from the ladder side, and ultimately they are in my mind- telling me to stop -sometimes figures from the goddess laugh at me and deny that which is attrubuted to the "ladder side" and that saddens me to0
to see seperate sides all the time, <sigh>
I thrive best where the two are both together- perhaps the ladder is on wheels and it is all a part of the whole- complimentary?
I dont know
I dont think there is a right / wrong, which is a paradox in itself because to say "I dont think" means I believe it is inaccurate(wrong) so <shrug shoulder>
I who know nothing am shutting up
"...WIth no beginning, and never ending..." as one of the Pagan circle chants says...
We are a circle, within a circle, with no begining and never ending
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