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ok since someone brought it up this got me to thinking, I was once discussing with a young mother to be- Muslim convert (online) so I am not sure of the accuracy- but she told me many families circumcised their daughters, NOT in the horrible way that you hear about in tribal rituals but a carefully small slice of skin from the hood of the clitoris. Is this true? Does it serve a religeous purpose/ sacrifice? This is NOT a slam on Islam whatsoever I am sincerely curious. Do we have any Muslim mothers reading these pages?
if so,
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Not Muslim, but from the reading I've done over the years there are different levels and kinds of female circumcision ranging from the minimal you describe to total removal of the clitoral nerves and sewing parts of the vulva almost shut until birth.

What I think is important to understand is that in the cultures that practice this and are Muslim, the practice of female circumcision predates the introduction of Islam. It's not Islam that "demands" this, it's that particular culture and they've added Islam to the reasons for continuing the custom.

Please teach me if I'm off base on this.


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in Seattle. They took a surgical instrument and used it to draw a small amount of blood, and everything healed intact, yet it was enough to satisfy the religious requirements for the parents.

Of course, a bunch of muddle-headed women had to go and protest this, causing headlines across the country that Seattle hospital was doing female circumsicion, and they discontinued it because of the bad press. Now many of these families will be circumcising their daughters at an older age in some foriegn land, with no anestesia and little if any sterilization.

And my answer to all those PC folks who tell me to call "female circumcision" "female genital mulitiation", I say, "I'll start calling it that when you start calling routine circumcision of boys 'male genital mutiliation' and protesting all American hospitals".
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Well, I for one, do consider male circumcision "male gential mutilation" I think that it is aweful that our little boys are put through this horrific procedure every day. I'm not the protest type, but if I were I would definitely be protesting it. I geuss by NOT circumcising my boy I am protesting it.

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No, this is not a religious requirement. I never heard of it, and Meiri's right. A lot of stuff that gets passed on as "religious" in Islam is mostly just cultural. It all depends on what Muslim you talk to what you're gonna hear.
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I dont see much difference in taking some of the hood off and taking the foreskin off-
Whay Meiri says made sense ...that the cutting may more be a result of culture definition than religeon- I think I will attempt to address this with a muslim friend in Saudi thru email, I will share here when she replies-
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it was interesting thankyou, I really love reading about your religeon and customs as in the other Muslimah thread too, thankyou for sharing
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I had a female Catholic friend from Africa who was circumcized. She told me she was when she was describing the birth of her child but I never asked her in detail about it because I didn't know what to say.
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wow, what a great lesson...thanks muslimomma..

if i am not intruding, do you mind if I ask you what the
acronyms you had on you last posts mean?

pbuhahf?
Mahdokht?

give thanks..

peace
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wow, what a great lesson...thanks muslimomma..

if i am not intruding, do you mind if I ask you what the
acronyms you had on you last posts mean?

pbuhahf?
Mahdokht?

give thanks..

peace
I know part of one! pbuh means "peace be upon him". It is said after the name of a prophet.

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Salaam sisters!

I've been out the last couple of days, and I wanted to chime in and add, "yeah, what she said," to muslimomma's response re:fgm. As far as I know, it predates Islamic practice in the regions where it takes place, and since few are educated and/or empowered to question their authority, it remains.

I know some sisters from regions where this is practiced, but needless to say, it just doesn't "come up" in conversation.
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Salaam , or Peace:

I wanted to add to Mahdokht's post on abbreviations you might see:

When mentioning a Companion of the Prophet (peace be upon him) or a righteous person of the past, we might write (r.a.), for Radhi Allahu anhu/a/hum/hunna, which means "May God Be Well Pleased With Him/Her/Them/Them (m & f, respectively).

Also, Sunni Muslims, when mentioning a relative of the Prophet (peace be upon him) in conversation, just say the above, but in dhikrs (formal rememberances), and in the prayer, we say basically the same as they do: God give peace to the Messenger, and to his family, and his companions or any variation of this. Here in Jordan, they say it after the call to prayer.

Also, after writing the name of Allah, a Muslim might put "swt," for Subhannahu wa ta'ala or Glorified and Most High.
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And my answer to all those PC folks who tell me to call "female circumcision" "female genital mulitiation", I say, "I'll start calling it that when you start calling routine circumcision of boys 'male genital mutiliation' and protesting all American hospitals".
I consider it genital mutilation regardless of sex. I support body integrity for ALL children regardless of sex or anything else
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Off topic, but Beloved Bird asked what Mahdokht meant. I presume that is your name Muslimomma, am I correct? I think that is an Iranian name which translates as daughter of the moon, a really beautiful name. Are you Iranian Muslimomma? My FIL is Iranian (which makes me Iranian too although I have never been!). When we finally get pregnant I will have to come to you for some name suggestions .
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ok...someone shoot me but...what is pemmican?
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Marymom, it's meat.

Meat preserved in tallow. Mmmm-mmmm.

Hungry just thinking about it.
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give thanks muslimama..sorry it took so long too reply ( i don't own a computer).
and no, you are not rambling on....on the contrary.. i would LOVE to know more.

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meat in tallow
ohhhhhhhhhhh
...thats american? or are you really not that american and Im just revealing my EIGHT FOOT thick skull with peasize brain?
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