I am a Christian.. And I think that i am probably one of those ladies you think have some wacky ideas of what god is and what Jesus does, and what makes you a christian....
It's all good.. .I think however the problems come from people saying "this is christian and this is not..."This is not a christian belief and this is.." There are soo many different christian ideologies out there that say different things, that .. I personally think it's impossible to judge what some one else believes in their faith to God... Especially when we don't know how they got there... I personally think the belief and love of God is enough.. Maybe i'm wrong on that one, but that's what it seems to me...
There are many "christians" who don't believe that catholics are "christians" even though they were the 1st christian church.. I don't know who's to say... I grew up on 2 extremes of christianity it seems to me.. My mother loves penecostal churchs, and my dad and step mom are more presbatyrian (sp?) type church goers... Those 2 churchs believe basically the same thing, but definately don't agree with everything the other does...
I think the true intent of the bible is to teach us love, and to learn from others mistakes.. And to me.. (again just my opinion) it seems the old and new testament are completely different books with almost a different god.. In the OT we have a lot of blood letting and wrath and punishment... Then in the NT we have love and understanding, but still some punishment.. So maybe god mellowed or he just left us to Jesus.. Who knows..
I guess my point is that no one knows, so were as one christian believes one thing, and you hold another as absolute doesn't make either of you right or wrong...
Sorry for the novel.. I just wanted to let everyone know were i am coming from here..
Warm Squishy Feelings..
Nice to meet you new members.
Mamaduck, I'm glad you joined in, I absolutely love reading your posts in gentle discipline...i can probably start posting there more now that my son is 2 and I'm actually confronting some of these issues. It heartens me so much to see Chrisitan mothers parenting their children with gentleness and love. In college I knew this guy who was probably the most Christ-like person I ever knew...not just that he was involved in so many avenues of service, but that he just had a very Christ-like, self-effacing, humble, sacrificial, and loving demeanor...Anyway, I remember him saying that he could not remember his father having EVER raised his voice, and that his father's tenderness had been a major shaping influence on him.
As far as the OT portraying a mean and smiting God, I do disagree. I think it describes what were very violent times in the history of the world, but it doesn't endorse everything it describes. I think it shows a God who is slow to anger--but when people refused His overtures again and again, eventually He took action for the benefit of History. Just my impression.
Does anyone get "Open Line" with Pastor Donald Cole on their local Chrisitan radio station? He is an amazingly knowledgeable & studied man who takes all kinds of callers' questions about the Bible on Monday and Thursday nights. I just love listening to him--he has such a scholarly, warm, grandfatherly demeanor and so much knowledge that he delivers in a loving way. Anyway if he comes on your station you should try to catch his program once in a while.
Peace in Christ,
I have a hard time telling anyone that they are wrong, and thier beliefs can land them in hell.. That's me.. I don't know for certain that what i believe is right, i only know that i believe it.. I'm not afraid to tell someone what i believe or why i believe it.. I am strong in my convictions, but that doesn't make me any more right than someone else...
When i share what i believe with someone else i would liken it to blowing on a leaf in a stream pushing it that way... A gentle nudge into thinking at least about why they believe the way they do... I know some people who share their beliefs like a windmachine on that same leaf.. I may get them farther sometimes, but the ramifications sometimes are lost...
I have had many conversations with God.. I'm sort of a brat when I pray, and i am not the most reverent person in the world.. I have spoken with God in dreams, and always feel a sense of peace from it, so i figuire God doesn't have a big beef with me, or perhaps he is just chuckling at me..
I used to wonder why I never saw God's face when i would dream, and my MIL gave me some food for thought on that one.. We aren't supposed to... We are supposed to seek his face, but to actually see it would kill a person with it's glory, and since that seem to mesh with what i know, and what i have experienced i can agree with that..
I am probably more liberal than i should be, but i can't deny who i am, and to do so with God would be hipocrocy.. So I know that other christians have problems with me as a christian, but so long as God and I are good i think the rest is just background noise...
Sorry for the ramble.. I don't have a lot of friends i can be religiously philisophical with... Ignore me if it's not what you were looking for in this thread...
It wasn't you... I just don't think my original post was as articulate as i wanted it to be...
That and I couldn't sleep, so my thoughts were sort of rambling.. I wasn't directing them at anyone in particular just getting them out there...
I've agreed with just about everything you've ever posted in Spirituality, Mamaduck, and I also am a follower of Christ. So I definitely think you are a 'real' Christian!
|I believe what i believe, but i have also researched what others believe and why they believe that (whether it is a christian religion or not...), and honestly i can usually see why they believe what they do.. I don't think that enought christians question why they believe what they do, and if they truly believe it at all..|
As for other people not believing whether or not anyone is a Christian, how do they know? God knows our hearts, it doesn't matter what other people think. At least that's how I look at it.
I went to a well known Christian school for college and I couldn't believe how many people were quick to say, oh, you're not a Christian, just because I didn't believe exactly as they did.
As Christians, we are to love one another first, not try to tear each other down and argue about who's better, has more faith, etc.
Hello, Carolyn, and welcome.
I agree, NM. Kind of bizarre names, all around.
Welcome, girliemom. Nice to have you here
I'm looking forward to learning, encouraging, and helping one another too.
But for whatever it is worth, I am a "George Bush Sr. Christian (a.k.a. "Right-Leaning Traditionalist")"
My husband is quite proud of me. He's been worried that I seem "too liberal."
But I still say it didn't ask the right questions!!!
|Originally posted by mamaduck
Being a Christian is not just about knowing the "facts" or believing the "right" set of things. It is also about living what you know.
But I still say it didn't ask the right questions!!!
An interesting experience, for sure.
|Being a Christian is not just about knowing the "facts" or believing the "right" set of things. It is also about living what you know.|
I am not a label kind of person either. But the description of liberal christians was amusing to me because I fit the sterio type in many ways. I honestly just got a chuckle.
Some of those questions were weird. They over simplified complicated things or they had two good answers to one question.
Amusing though. My friend and I used to play the super Christian game and we would build ourselves up as people who did most of that. Good times. good times. We would also play beat that testimony where we would make up fake testimonies to see who could have a more redeemed fake life. we were very good kids going to a charasmatic church. We had a lot to poke fun at and lots of free time on our hands. I miss those days.
The truest answer to violence is love. The truest answer to death is life. The only prevention for violence is for the heart to have no violence within it. We cannot prevent evil through any system devised by mankind. But we can grapple with evil and defeat it, but only with love—real love.
I agree with Mamaduck, the questions were too narrow and limiting to show any real variations. It really is all about your heart and walking the walk you talk!
My dh was also proud of me, as he has been fearing I'm leaning a little too left for his taste lately!
I'm so glad to be able to fellowship with all of you ladies here.
Peace of Christ,
Here are some of my favorite links~
www.aboverubies.org ~ good articles, free paper magazine!
www.motherscompanion.org ~you need to subscribe to the paper magazine to read her stuff, she is an AP home birthing momma and sooo smart!
www.christianparent.com ~BF and the Bible
www.logoschristian.org/rainbow.html ~for all you hippies!
www.milksucks.com/breasttop2.jpg ~ Jesus was breastfed!
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/R...s/brfding.html ~ bottle feeding as a sin
www.hometown.aol.com/dolphinmom5/CUnschool.html ~ Jesus was an unschooler!
Have any of you ever read Mary Pride's books, or about Zion birth?
(BLECH BLECH!!!) I can't stand just about anything that guy says.. .
Sometimes makes me want to NOT be associated with him in anyway.. NOW i am him... GOd is laughing at me...
I used to swear a bit, but i don't anymore.. The thing that got me to stop was that people swear for lack of a better word, and the ignorant swear a lot.. ACK!! i'm not saying you are ignorant, just that that's what helped me to quit... I still say swears just not the big ones.. Like i say dammit, but not gd... Or i say crap instead.. But usually not the other... I suppose it depends on what you think a swear is...
Having kids actually curbed it because its cute to hear you 2 year old say damn it, but not when you hear him say it in context because he's po 'ed at his toys upstairs..
Warm Squishies everyone...
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