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#121 of 480 Old 11-06-2006, 12:45 PM
 
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to you Christi!

Why no call different local government agencies and ask them about your property rights verses the utility companies rights. Call your local public library and get a reference librarian to help you. If it were me- and if there was any hope- I would talk to lawyer. Good luck.

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Christi~ I'm so sorry, I know I would be sad too.

Well, I had a talk with my mom yesterday, and although I don't think it helped clear anything up about my religion (I don't think they'll ever research it enough to understand), I at least came to a "I'm don't want to hear anymore critisizm from anyone in the family" clause, so that's a start.

All weekend we went a few hours north to look at houses and we found one we absolutely love. However, we found out we're only pre-approved for about 90% of the mortgage and have to come up with the 10% for the down payment. So we're talking about pulling over $20K out of thin air : . Right now we're trying to look up programs for first time homebuyers to help with the down payment, so keep your fingers crossed that we find something fast, because it's our dream house, and it is priced so low, I'm afraid it won't last long!
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Call the city? News? Arbor Day foundation? Anyone!!!
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Christi~ If it's not too late-and even if it is- I would call around and see what can be done. Call your local public library and ask a reference librarian to help you. Can your neighbors get together and work on this? If it was me, I would contact a lawyer. A lawyer could write a letter to the utility company and it would get a lot more attention.

Good luck! Fight the good fight!

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We did fight them last time. We spoke to alot of people. Our city councel person said there is nothing we can do. Any branches that come into the line of their property is allowed to be cut. They look at it from the standpoint of one tree falling and taking out the high tension lines. I don't really see that ever happening, these trees aren't that big and they are pretty far back from the lines. Well, not that far I guess.

It is all an over reaction to that incident when a huge grid on the east coast lost power. That was few years ago, but they are still trim happy. Today we saw a helicopter hovering along the lines, probably checking out how close the trees really are.

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You should 100% go with pp advice on finding resources at the library and addressing the city (even if you just get a "stay" while a public forum can be brought). Get petitions signed and turned in to the city, put up posters, hold a town hall meeting or potluck dinner, contact any local environmental groups and city beautification programs, ask your local library to host a public discussion and reading of Dr. Suess's The Lorax, find out what exactly the state said to the company, research property owner rights and the limits of the company's authority through the easement...do what you can to generate a lot of noise about this.

If all else fails, (and I'm NOT advocating for anything illegal, just putting it out there), you might consider hanging items from the trees on your property. You know, things like flags and windchimes and hammocks and goddess icons made during a "tree friendly" ritual and large posters of the Lorax. Although spiking trees is illegal and as an anti-logging tactic is no longer used by environmental activist groups (even groups like Earth First), hanging items on trees on your own property using metal nails is not a crime. Even though the eventual impact for logging is more or less the same.

Obviously if you did this you'd need to be very clear with the company that you had used metal nails to hang items off trees on your property....cutting into a tree that contains metal can damage machines and cause injury to unprotected workers and that is NOT the goal. The company will need to xray the trees before cutting or at the very least spend the time with pliers and crow bars removing the metal. And if the company says "no worries" then that is another thing to make public...the company's lack of concern for their employees!

Again, out and out spiking is against the law and in no way would I recommend breaking the law (it's bad energy if nothing else!). But letting the company know that the trees have been compromised by nails/metal (which means a much more expensive removal process) can buy you a little more time to write editorials, raise public awareness, find out if there is any civic significance to the trees (planted by a local hero? in memory of a town event?), and in general get the word out about this. Between the public awareness/negative PR and the added expense, the company may choose trimming the trees instead of cutting them down.

I hope you're able to rally your community to save the trees. If not, perhaps you can adapt a ritual for death and rebirth for the trees? So that your little one (and everyone involved) can honor the trees and find some peace in their passing?

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Christi~ I'm so sorry, I know I would be sad too.

Well, I had a talk with my mom yesterday, and although I don't think it helped clear anything up about my religion (I don't think they'll ever research it enough to understand), I at least came to a "I'm don't want to hear anymore critisizm from anyone in the family" clause, so that's a start.

All weekend we went a few hours north to look at houses and we found one we absolutely love. However, we found out we're only pre-approved for about 90% of the mortgage and have to come up with the 10% for the down payment. So we're talking about pulling over $20K out of thin air : . Right now we're trying to look up programs for first time homebuyers to help with the down payment, so keep your fingers crossed that we find something fast, because it's our dream house, and it is priced so low, I'm afraid it won't last long!
You or DH ever in the military? You can use VA loan. What about Fanny Mae?
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Nope, neither of us are in the military. We've looked at Fannie Mae, I think DH applied there, I'll have to double check. Basically, he was up late last night calling any and every organization that he could. So far, funding from the county is looking promising, hopefully!! :
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Nope, neither of us are in the military.
Don't have to be active in the military....just having been in the military as in past tense as well. Just wanted to clarify for people because a lot of people don't know that. Heck, even my dad who retired after 24+ years in the military didn't know he could use his VA after he was out and that you can use the VA more than once. My BIL didn't know he could use it either. It seems most people think that once you've left the military the VA is not an option. So if you and hubby were never at any point in the military then, yes, it's not an option.

I hope you find a program. What's that guy's name who writes those books about money and the gov....? He wears a suit with question marks (or $ signs) all over it I think. He has books on a lot of different programs available to people trying to buy a house.
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Heard this on NPR today and thought it was really wonderful. Just want to share with my favorite mamas.

Living What You Do Everyday

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I'm just crazy in love with this artwork right now:

http://www.cafepress.com/catncauldron

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I'm just crazy in love with this artwork right now:

http://www.cafepress.com/catncauldron
Yeah, Thalia's artwork is cool. And she's in my state. Someday, I'll order a couple of her prints. Even though it's something that I can paint myself, I love to support local artists.
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My health update:

I had bloodwork done today. Also have to get another mamogram and go see a breast surgeon. Also have to see a gastro specialist. That's just the beginning. ugh.
Please send me mega healing energy!!!! I MUST be healthy for my son. I MUST be here for him and watch him grow. I want to see him become a man. I want to see him in love.
The thought of not being around for my son's childhood fills me with terror and great sadness.
I'm so scared, mama's.
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I'm so sorry. How very scary. What do they think is going on? Sorry if I missed it from earlier posts or if you'd rather not say.
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hugs & blessings to all!

kleine & wombatclay... would either of you be open to discussing my c-s experience as it relates to my thoughts on trying for a #2 vs. staying w/"just" ds? it ends up being a very spiritual conversation for me, and i've not found suport on ICAN, or MDC at large..... i'm not going to be online for about a week, but maybe pm me if you would be open to it?
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Wombatclay, lady, I like the way you think! Friendly spiking! (What harm could a couple of windchimes, windsocks, or flags be?: ) Ingenious! But seriously, Christi, it is such a sad thing to have happening. I live in hurricane central, and it seems like after each storm they get more and more paranoid about branches. The trees here look like strangled distant cousins of the big beautiful creatures they could be for all the butchering.

Naturalmom, we're trying to buy our first home, too. I hate the process. "Negotiating" makes me want to throw up. I just hate feeling caught up in the game of securing one's own self-interest sometimes at the expense of others, or having to watch that you're not being taken advantage of. The buyer-seller relationship is not for me, but them I'm a socialist at heart!

Salvia, your woods experience sounded so cool! On the subject of homes, what made you choose to live in the setting you live in now? (I ask because we were considering a country move, but decided against it for the time being; I'm curious how other mamas came to their places!)
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to you, Liz.

Honeytree~ I grew up in a small town- very small. Our house had a pretty big yard, but it back up to a big ballfield and I enjoyed a childhood of running around that space, hiding in the small woods, and playing in the creek (sounds ideal until I tell you that the creek was poisoned with mining run off).

My hubby and I spent several years in Albuquerque, NM- where we bought a home and grew a garden. We decided to move to Oregon, where my dh is from, to get involved with the family business. I dreamed of buying 20 acres. I dreamed of a farm.

This surprised my family and highschool friends. They thought I was a city girl. True- when I was a teenager my dream was to move to London. But, when I moved West (I grew up in Pennsylvania), I found a deep connection with the Earth that knocked me off my feet and showed me what joy was all about.

We moved to Oregon and after three years and one child, we found our current home. We found a real estate agent we could like as a person and talked to her. She showed us a couple places and then this one. I think we knew within 10 minuets. It was not perfect by any means. It was three acres not 20. There was no way we could afford 20. There was no interesting house. That will come later. We will be able to appreciate it even more then. Living outside of town (even if only a few miles) means you have to drive everywhere. There are no sidewalks for dd to learn to ride her bike on.

But, this place has been a joy, a teacher, and a safe haven. Everyday, I see something new. We are blessed.

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Liz.

We live where we live by accident.

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OdeToJoy~ many . I hope everything comes back clear!

HoneyTree~ I grew up in a VERY small town and couldn't stand it (it was a very religious, judgemental, close-minded town). So when I had the chance to move down here to the big city, I jumped on it, and thought I'd love it. It was nice for awhile, but DH and I are sick of it now. We don't like the traffic, the rude people, the hustle and bustle anymore. So we started looking for houses a few hours north in a small, rural town that is in between several larger towns (mainly Orlando is only 45 minutes away). So we'll have the small town feel (and be able to have a yard, which is hard to come by down here), but be able to drive to city to do things.

Still waiting to hear back on a couple offers for us. One company said that they'll give us 6% of the home's value for a downpayment (we'd have to come up with the remaining 4%) but then the seller has to contribute back to the company and I'm not sure I'm comfortable asking the seller to do that for us. We're also trying to apply for another mortgage that is specifically for first time homebuyers to get 100% financing at a low rate. Still keeping my fingers crossed and trying to stay positive.

BTW~ had anyone made the salt dough from Circle Round? I made some yesterday and it was so fun to play with! I made a spiral goddess figurine for my altar and baked her last night. I think I'm going to paint her now, just can't decide on colors. I think I had more fun with it than my kids did !
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Liz.......

Would you PM me your address? I don't think I have it anymore, & I have something I made that should be healing for you I'd like to send.

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I am looking at greenlee's forest...wow!!! Greenlee, your jewelry is inspiring!!!

Last night I found a new group of women to connect with. At the beginning or end of the moon's cycle, they get together to sing, dance and eat. they charge rocks and meditate...sounds good to me!

ode- oh hon, I had wondered if you had been to the doctor. *hugs*

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Protecting energies being sent to those who need it.

heathenmom - I have to protect my children from my MIL who is a *christian* she can attack and it's amazing that I'm the only one who sees it.

Healing energies to you Liz. I know that you are scared.

This seems to be such a sad Pagan Mama's thread. I'm going to send energies to everyone tonight. We all need it.
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Yes mcceltic mom, I am down too after reading so much fear and hardships.

To all those dealing with fear and hardships:
May you make whatever changes you can, and flow with whatever comes your way that you can not. Blessed be.


Heathenmom~ Thank you so much for explaining everything to me. It was very interesting to learn your beliefs. I too believe that we take on our ancestors luck or karma. I'm so glad that your little one is better. I hope these people leave you alone now.

Wombatclay~ Congrats on the babe!

Salvia~ I didn't know you were from PA. I'm originally from MD. Most of my best friends I've ever had are from PA.
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Tonight I'm going to be working my third major ritual since discovering that I am a Chaote. I'm excited, and now I just have to manage to hold on to the right kind of mindset and stay awake...

Oh, I'm in PA, too. Weird, huh? Or maybe not so much. It surprises me that there aren't *more* Pagan-sorts around here. This state was founded on ideals of religious freedom by a Liberal Quaker, yet I still find myself surrounded by tense, hyperChristian sorts. Weird.

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Thank you Karen.

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Eilonwy - can you tell us more about Chaos Magick? I'm into ritual magick, but don't have much experience with Chaos. What about it do you like?
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Salvia- thanks for sharing that site...I now have another artist to add to my "obsession" list! I've been looking for ideas to pass along to DH (who claims his brain freezes when confronted with a b-day) and these are perfect!

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I've been following your posts about it too. I think my interpretation of chaos magic was off. I hope it was anyway.

I've been steadily working on my training. I've only got 3 modules left to go on my neophyte. I'm considering dedicating but i'm really nervous about initiation.


Good news! My mom called tonight and said she bought my DD a new full mattress and box spring for Christmas! That's wonderful for her. We wanted to but I was thinking we'd have to wait till tax returns. She's still in her crib and getting too big at 4. So, I'm really excited about that. I think we'll just get her a bedding set now. I found a really beautiful eric carle set.
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I have purchased my older ds a new carseat. I can't wait until it gets here! I'll be buying my 2 yr old a new seat as well in the next few days. It'll make me feel so much better when I get them in new seats.
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Just found out my car has gen3 seatbelts. waaah.
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