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Good luck Pamela!! I hope everything just suddenly falls perfectly into place for you. You deserve it by now!
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That's so exciting the house might sell and your midwife made it "in time". It's so nice when things start to "fall" into place

I guess I could update on my mini money crisis I had. We have been very good this month and not spending anything. We're having to borrow from the baby money to cover this month, but it comes out that other money has come from other places (dh bought two tickets to the Rush concert and he talked his brother into going, which means we get that one ticket money back) It's just so nice when things can work out. It's a nice trial of faith in the mean time, but very nice when it can work out.
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Just wanted to let you all know... we had our u/s yesterday (yes, we had an u/s... debated for forever, but we just had so many questions with dates and DH was dying to know the gender... so we did it.)...

and we're having a GIRL!! Baby girl #3!!

The dates came back near the end of December (closer to what I originally thought), so the u/s tech said it might still be a little early to tell the gender for sure... but DH and I thought it was pretty unmistakeable... then again... we've never seen a boy on an u/s so we have no idea how different it looks at 17 weeks...

Anyway, that puts my official "due date" at December 27th... and now my little sister is talking about getting married to her boyfriend (a very good thing, we all love him) and they've unofficially set the date as December 28th. For those of you who remember, my last baby came 2 1/2 weeks "early" and the night before my other sister's wedding... as I wasn't comfortable taking a 12 hour old baby out in public, or to an outdoor reception, I missed the whole thing. My family totally understood, but I still feel left out and disappointed everytime I see pictures of her wedding that don't include me. And family members tend to forget that I wasn't there and talk about things as if I should remember...

Anyway, I thought maybe I'd get this next baby before another sibling got married, but it doesn't look like it. My only consolation is that my babies have never come "on" their due date... so I actually have a pretty good chance of having the baby before or after the wedding... of course I have no idea what to wear to the wedding, since I don't know if I'll be pregnant or newly post-partum. Also, this whole thing has already brought up the issue of induction. My mom figures I should just get induced a week before the wedding so we can be sure to avoid it. I don't think anyone understands why I won't induce... especially since making it to this wedding really does mean a lot to me. I just don't feel comfortable inducing partly because we're still not sure on dates, and partly because I don't think it's fair for the baby to be forced to come early just because my sister decided to plan her wedding near my due date.

Anyway, that's my rant for the day... sorry it's so off topic

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Yeah, pamela! I'm so thrilled for you, I hope the offer is approved!
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Oh frogleymom... I hope and pray all works out well for you. Maybe baby will just have the patience to wait until a day or two after the wedding. I wouldn't suggest getting induced PARTICULARLY if the dates aren't POSITIVE. Even then, a baby is the only person who knows when they are supposed to come. Inducing early is a DANGEROUS thing... so stick with your intuition and cross your fingers. If it is very troubling.. maybe you could get a blessing. Blessings work wonders.

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That's yucky, Emily. Luckily babies always have their own timetable.
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good news Pamela! Love top have a few worries out of the way.
Emily, is it possible for you sister to reschedule? I know Christmas is a popular time, but she wants you there, right? One of my sisters rescheduled her wedding, rearranging finals in the process, for my oldest sister who had had an expensive vacation planned for over a year. As it was, they had to leave for the vacation from the reception. Just a thought.
We're leaving on vacation tomorrow, first to San Fran area, then to Utah valley, then to Boise. We'll be gone a week and a half. : I hate airports. It is such a royal pain to go through the motions just so people can feel safe. The reality is, we're not. Get over it and move on. Off my soap box now, and off to pack. Yay!
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It is such a royal pain to go through the motions just so people can feel safe. The reality is, we're not. Get over it and move on.
No kidding.. When my mom came for a visit they stopped her because she had brought HUMMUS! I don't remember if they took it or let her keep it, but they were so distracted by a 60 year old woman's snack, that they completely missed the two pocket knives in her purse. (she didn't even realize she had them until she got here!) of course there was no malicious intent, but thats a pretty serious thing to miss.

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Emily, is it possible for you sister to reschedule? I know Christmas is a popular time, but she wants you there, right? One of my sisters rescheduled her wedding, rearranging finals in the process, for my oldest sister who had had an expensive vacation planned for over a year. As it was, they had to leave for the vacation from the reception. Just a thought.
Unfortunately, Christmas seems to be the only time for the wedding that makes sense. My sister and her boyfriend are both BYU students and don't want to get married in the middle of semester and risk their grades. Finals don't end until Dec 21st and they want a long honeymoon... Basically they're three options are to get married before fall semester (they don't want to rush things though and they don't feel six weeks is enough time to plan a wedding), get married during the Christmas break, or get married after winter semester in April (they really don't want to wait THAT long... though I had a 15 month engagement by choice... so I know it's possible, of course, I also know how hard it is).

I understand that this is my sister's wedding and not mine, and that she shouldn't plan around everyone else's schedules because someone will always have a conflict... but darn it... I was pregnant before she decided to get married... and we've already been through this before.

Thankfully, she will be getting married in the Portland temple, so I won't have to travel... even if the baby comes 36 hours before the wedding, I'll do my best to be there.

On another note - my uncle is a pilot and constantly expresses his feelings on how ridiculous the airport security measures are. He thinks it's a big joke that they have to screen all pilots as they go through security, then when the pilot walks onto the plane, there's already a gun in the cock-pit for their "security."

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Unfortunately, Christmas seems to be the only time for the wedding that makes sense. My sister and her boyfriend are both BYU students and don't want to get married in the middle of semester and risk their grades.
: And they think being engaged the entire semesters isn't risking their grades?!? That's funny. That's really funny. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to put her down or anything, but I just think being engaged, planning a wedding, and thinking about what it will be like to be married *cough* sex *cough* are total distractions. But, BYU students seem to have their anniversaries in either December or May. I know mine is in May, one week after DH and I graduated, five glorious years ago. And I love the Portland temple. It's one of my favorites. I lived in Corvallis for 2 and a half years. For the most part, I hated it there, but I loved the temple.
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No kidding.. When my mom came for a visit they stopped her because she had brought HUMMUS! I don't remember if they took it or let her keep it, but they were so distracted by a 60 year old woman's snack, that they completely missed the two pocket knives in her purse. (she didn't even realize she had them until she got here!) of course there was no malicious intent, but thats a pretty serious thing to miss.
One of my favorite stories to tell is about flying out of Salt Lake during the Olympics. Security was of course a whole lot tighter than normal, and it was shortly after 9/11 anyway. I was so thoroughly frustrated with my experience there. They were rude and obnoxious, and I got totally felt up by a security guard who had to make sure I was wearing an underwire bra. And I still got on the plane with my Swiss army knife. I didn't plan to have it with me. I just forgot to take it off my key ring. Good job TSA.
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I second that! About not being distracted. Dh and I got married in Nov of 2000, during dh's very first semester in school. He had the worst grades that semester. There was even a time when I told him he couldn't see me because he needed to do his homework. He got really mad at me!
Seriously though, he paid much better attention to his school work after we got married. I was already there. he could see me, and then do homework. I think your sister hasn't really thought this through :
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I got engaged in February... that was my worst semester ever. I got married in May... just over a year later. The full year we were engaged I did much better, mostly because I wasn't hanging out with my roommates & going on a million dates... I did spend all my time with my fiance... but most of that was doing homework in my apartment. I did even better after we got married, but I was supposed to have a long engagement... so it worked out for us.

My sister is most concerned about missing classes. They've talked about getting married at Thanksgiving instead, but they'd still have to miss about a week of class each, and try to figure out how to make that up. And that's with a super short honeymoon, or postponing the honeymoon until Christmas, which they really don't want to do.

Anyway, I think it would be really nice if they arranged all they're wedding plans just for me and the baby... but that's not really realistic. They've fasted and prayed about this whole thing and even considered taking a semester off of school and getting married in early November or something... but apparently that's not what they're supposed to do. I can understand and respect that. I'm just hoping that I'll be able to go to the wedding this time.

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: And they think being engaged the entire semesters isn't risking their grades?!? That's funny.
I somehow managed to defy the odds and got my best grades ever the semester I dated and got engaged to dh - weird!!
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I somehow managed to defy the odds and got my best grades ever the semester I dated and got engaged to dh - weird!!
I actually think a significant portion of my not-so-great grades right before I got married was due to senioritis. I was so anxious to just be done with school I didn't care. Then of course, that summer I decided to go back, and started grad school that fall, but that's another story.
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Alright then Emily, I will just cross my fingers and say my prayers for you.

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I had so-so grades during engagement. But we both pulled straight A's the first semester we were married.
I just got back from our quarterly enrichment. Just a potluck. It was meant to be a picnic at one sister's house. But it has been raining here all week, so they moved it to the church. It was really nice to sit and chat with the women I sat with. I was really needing that social time.
What I didn't need was the amount of food I ate. : :
I really must get better at self control.

Emily, I really, really hope everything works out for you with the wedding and everything.
Pamela...Update? I really hope everything is working out for your family too!
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The offer fell through on the AZ house. Oh well.
So we are going to proceed with a Deed in leu of forecloser and if that doesn't work then we will be forced to walk away from the house and let it go to foreclosure. We have no other option.
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Pamela -
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Oh, Pamela! I will pray for you.

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Ohh..: I'm so sorry. I'll pray for you.

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ME TOO! It's a little frustrating.

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No kidding.. When my mom came for a visit they stopped her because she had brought HUMMUS! I don't remember if they took it or let her keep it, but they were so distracted by a 60 year old woman's snack, that they completely missed the two pocket knives in her purse. (she didn't even realize she had them until she got here!) of course there was no malicious intent, but thats a pretty serious thing to miss.
Well ... hummus is *gasp* MIDDLE EASTERN! (duhn duhn DUHN!)

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Hey everyone! I like to pop in every now and then and keep up with you guys. I have a question.

My dd (2 1/2) doesn't really like to wear skirts or dresses. It usually takes a lot of sweet talking to get her dressed on Sundays. Plus she can't play as easily on/with the toys in nursury when she's in a dress/skirt. I honestly don't even care if she's in a skirt or not. While I enjoy wearing "pretty" clothes at least one day a week sometimes I would just like to wear a nice pair of slacks. Anyway - to my question. Is there an actual dress code? Would they try to deny me the sacrament (the whole reason I go to church anyway) if I wasn't in a dress? I don't mind dresses, but it's the feeling like I absolutely have to wear one that chafes, kwim? Ok, thanks!

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so i made a lovely stew for our ward's Pioneer Day ceebration that took me, oh about 2 hours. and the family couldn't make its 'cause we're all sick. and guess where that stew is now?
why, it's all over the front end of my van and my shoes and a dozen rags and the rugs from the front and DH's sweater etc. yay! : :

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Hey everyone! I like to pop in every now and then and keep up with you guys. I have a question.

My dd (2 1/2) doesn't really like to wear skirts or dresses. It usually takes a lot of sweet talking to get her dressed on Sundays. Plus she can't play as easily on/with the toys in nursury when she's in a dress/skirt. I honestly don't even care if she's in a skirt or not. While I enjoy wearing "pretty" clothes at least one day a week sometimes I would just like to wear a nice pair of slacks. Anyway - to my question. Is there an actual dress code? Would they try to deny me the sacrament (the whole reason I go to church anyway) if I wasn't in a dress? I don't mind dresses, but it's the feeling like I absolutely have to wear one that chafes, kwim? Ok, thanks!
There's no easy answer to that question, but here is an article that appeared in the New Era last year.
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I also found this, though it is 30 years old.

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Following is the statement of the First Presidency of the Church made in June 1971 regarding women’s dress:

“The Church has not attempted to indicate just how long women’s or girls’ dresses should be nor whether they should wear pant suits or other types of clothing. We have always counseled our members to be modest in their dress, maintaining such standards in connection therewith as would not be embarrassing to themselves and to their relatives, friends, and associates.

“We have advised our people that when going to the temple they should not wear slacks or miniskirts, or otherwise dress immodestly. We have not, however, felt it wise or necessary to give instructions on this subject relative to attendance at our Church meetings, although we do feel that on such occasions they should have in mind that they are in the house of the Lord and should conduct themselves accordingly.” (Priesthood Bulletin, June 1971.)
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Thanks Alisa!
Very interesting reading. Although this line did make me cringe a bit.

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Pamela: That's so rough. I hope everything works out soon.

Maggie-: That's awful. Grrr, I hate wasted food. And I'm so sorry you went to all that work just to spend more time cleaning up a huge mess. And I hope you family feels better soon!

Tuansprincess--We have woman in our ward who never wears a skirt. She didn't wear one to the temple either. It became a little bit of discussion in Gospel Doctrine and the bishop and former rs president, now gd teacher both said there was nothing in their manuals about dresses/skirts being required, and that they had both checked. I think especiall for a little girl, as long as she is dressed in nice clothes (meaning, in good repair, clean and maybe even a little dressy if you can swing it) that is all anyone can really ask of a child under 3 FCOL.
I didn't even make ds wear a shirt and tie until he was baptized.
I'm all for making church as pleasant and happy a place as possible-I figure it will maybe increase the chances of him wanting to go when he hits that 13+ stage.
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I didn't even make ds wear a shirt and tie until he was baptized.
I'm all for making church as pleasant and happy a place as possible-I figure it will maybe increase the chances of him wanting to go when he hits that 13+ stage.
Personally, I don't plan on "making" DS wear the whole shirt-tie combo until he is ordained a deacon. He doesn't really need it until then anyway (you need a white shirt and tie to officiate in the sacrament). Plus, I don't even wear a tie 75% of the time. I hate 'em. I don't even own a suit. I just wear khakis and a button down shirt most of the time. Usually not even with "church" shoes ... I just wear the same hiking boots that I wear all the time.

Tuansprincess - As to your question regarding could they deny you the sacrament if you were not wearing a dress. The short answer is "No" they could not. And ... I guess that that is the long answer too. I served a mission in Brasil and there were a lot of ladies who didn't wear dresses to Church because they simply didn't have them. If they were to deny them the sacrament ... then, that would have excluded most of the congregation. I think that the idea is that you wear your "best" clothes. And, for some reason in America, when we think of a woman's "best" clothes, we think "dress" because of some Puritanical race memory. So as long as you are in clean, "nice" clothing, I don't think a dress matters per se. My first year of college, I taught gospel doctrine in jeans. It was a nice pair of jeans and a pair I only wore on Sundays and no one said a thing, so ... there you go, for what it's worth.

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Thanks Alisa!
Very interesting reading. Although this line did make me cringe a bit.

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I think that that was speaking more towards the inappropriate length and modesty of the girls' attire, rather than any sense of "appropriate dress standards" in terms of types of clothing. I mean, the Church's standards of modesty don't exactly include miniskirts as appropriate attire at any time, much less the meetinghouse, KWIM?

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