Biblically speaking, if you use a condom or the pill or abstain from sex for the sole purpose of NOT getting pregnant, is that denying that would-be eternal soul a chance to exist?
So can we, as people, prevent souls from existing?
Or is that making God too small somehow?
*For the sake of this thread, please let's not get into the "God can over-ride any birth control and planning" line of thought, because that is the exception and not the rule. For the most part, birth control and abstaining work in preventing pregnancy.
I am asking this, personally, because I would like to hear other how other people of faith deal with this issue. DH and I have personally always just let nature take it's course. But now I am in a place where I would like to be more Spirit-led in this decision, instead of just doing it by the natural man alone. But that makes me a little nervous about all of the children that could have been in this home that now possibly won't be- if that makes sense.
The Jewish perspective is that the souls exist, and they come down again and again and again (Jews are into reincarnation ). So the question isn't the soul's existence; it already exists. The question is if that particular soul will come down into the baby you, in particular, are carrying.
Is the reincarnation belief mentioned in the Torah, or is it oral tradition or what exactly?
That is really interesting perspective.
I guess I am asking everyone how they view what the Bible says about it, no matter what their religion. Just because I am a Christian, it wouldn't help too much to hear the Buddist view on it, yk? Then again, maybe it would be really interesting.
(OK.....someone else asked this too. )
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Psalm 139:13-16 and He knew us even in the womb Jeremiah 1:5
Like you said, if God wills there to be a baby, there will be a baby. So no amount of careful planning will prevent a baby from being concieved. However, I feel in the case of abortion, women do choose to go against God's will and not recieve the baby. (Please don't flame me, this is just how I see it.)
For other Christians, I wouldn't want to tell them what to do, nor should anyone. Each one should go before the Lord concerning their plans for their family. I think it's okay for others to give advice on birth control and religious issues, but it's never okay to flat out tell someone what to do or shun or demean them because of their choices, as some churches do.
Bethany, crunchy Christian mom to Destiny (11) Deanna (9), and Ethan (2)
Personally, my husband and I have been convicted not to prevent pregnancy under normal circumstances. In abnormal circumstances, like we had a very sick child in the NICU and my fertility returned early because it was not breastfeeding, we would consider using NFP /barrier method- in that specific case, it would be to ensure my milk supply stayed adequate for the sick baby. But as a rule we don't believe in preventing pregnancy. Now. We did prevent before I got pg, but we learned a lot during that pregnancy
I would just hate to prevent anyone from existing, you know?
That just feels so 'heavy.' I tend to put too much pressure on myself and I think I am doing it in the area too.
For me, it is really trying to be perfect vs. trusting in God's love and grace.
There can be such a Christian ideal in some circles, like HSing all ten little ones that were all born in the water and nursed for five years each, while making their own dresses and grinding their own wheat by hand and milking their own goat... but how much of that all is IN the Bible and how much of it is just man's outward ideal, yk?
I can't give a really good answer why, but I just don't think people can prevent souls from existing. I think that just somehow constains God, and He is too big for that. I think we need to follow His leading thru the Holy Spirit, whether He says yes or no. I don't think He would have given us things like fertility signals, and made a limited time a woman could get pregnant each month, if He didn't want us to have some say.
I think if DH and I only have five, like we do, we were meant from the beginning of time to only have five (as long as we are praying and trying to seek His will).
I used to think all birth control, NFP-type things included, was a sin. But I really think God showed me (that for our family now) it's not. For me, it is a real act of faith to trust Him that He is showing me this, and to actually use birth control (and act under His grace and love and freedom), than to stay where I was and not do anything to prevent a pregnancy (and act out of a sense of having to be perfect and follow all the right rules).
I think it's great to have a dozen stairstep children out of love, but not because one feels like they have to live up to some ideal, you know?
Can you tell I have some baggage here?
We were very legalistic in SO many ways, this is a big step for me.
So I guess, OP, you'd have to ask yourself what you believe about souls--freshly created for each new baby or reincarnation? And then, I think you could go from there. Reincarnation, however, is not a Biblical/Christian concept so . . . I guess there's a contradiction of sorts there. I personally believe souls are immortal and so I as a human cannot cause a soul to not exist. Also, to me, a soul is energy neither created or destroyed so . . . it always exists. I'm not sure whether I believe God can destroy a soul. FWIW, I grew up as a Christian but I'm far from a Christian now re: my beliefs.
Nirvana is . . . the living happiness of a soul which is conscious of itself and conscious of having found its own abode in the heart of the Eternal. --Gandhi
So I guess, since I believe that by preventing a pregnancy I could be preventing a unique blessing from entering my life, that yes, it would be preventing a soul from existing. However, since the soul was NOT in existance it is not a loss exactly, just a loss of a thought? I don't believe the souls are just waiting around to be 'placed'. It is a totally different story if you are talking about BC that prevents AFTER conception. Because, I believe life begins at conception.
they are placed there for the amusement of those who like to point them out.
I think that souls are eternal- that is how I view the Holy Spirit, I guess, that it's not just God that's the Alpha and the Omega, but also each unique soul that was created has been somewhere in the universe since forever.
I think you could make the argument that birth control was denying a soul a body, or an opportunity on Earth, but that is not the same thing as not existing at all, yk?