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#181 of 678 Old 12-12-2007, 04:14 PM
 
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I just have to comment on the all or nothing idea too. I know that to be perfect, we have to do all that is commanded. I'm not perfect. And Heavenly Father gave us the Spirit and a brain. He absolutely does not expect us to do absolutely everything immediately just because a church leader told us to. Yes, we need to practice our beliefs to gain a testimony. I, for one, do not gain my testimony by listening to the prophet. Sometimes I even have to *not* do something and then do it in order to gain a testimony. That's why I'm grateful for the atonement. Not that I purposely say to myself "well, I don't like that doctrine, so I think I'll try the opposite for awhile--after all I can always repent." But I AM human.
Re: same gender attraction. Just as there are people who have tendencies toward alcoholism, drug addiction, sex and pornography addiction, and an addiction (for lack of a better word) of listening to the world instead of the spirit, some people are here to struggle with same gender attraction. We all come with our own lessons to learn. How we do is not up to anyone on this planet to judge. Alisa, you have been blessed with a fabulous testimony of the prophet. Good for you. That makes a lot of things a lot easier. Not everyone has that. Each of us has our own blessings to get us through this life. We cannot fathom the experiences of others. Christ does not expect the same performance from each of us. Why do we expect it of each other? I have faith that those who struggle with these addictions are here to learn different lessons than me and the atonement covers them too. Mercy is still the guiding standard of our Father in Heaven. Thank Goodness!
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Alisa, you have been blessed with a fabulous testimony of the prophet. Good for you. That makes a lot of things a lot easier. Not everyone has that.
I have a really really minor quibble with this idea. I get sort of the same thing when people say to me "You were blessed to be able to play the piano/organ, therefore you need to share your talent." I wasn't born knowing how to do those things. I worked hard at it. I don't mind at all sharing, but I do mind the idea that it came automatically to me. I think it's the same with testimony. It's something we work at. It may come more easily to some, just as singing comes more easily to me than to someone who is tone deaf, but it can come all the same through work. I agree, we have all be given different gifts and talents, that all can benefit, but I believe a testimony is something we can all gain.
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Also, this is diefferent from saying "Hey, I struggle with alcohol, lots of people think it is acceptable, so the Church should stop saying that alcohol is against the word of wisdom." I am mentioning something very different from what people think I am saying. I am talking about people who want to change doctrine. People who approach the church a la carte.

I am a major sinner and before I reactivated in the church I was involved in all kinds of fun and exciting debauchery, so I am no stranger to struggles and addictions and urges. But I have never tried to change the church to suit my passions or needs. I am a very imperfect member with weaknesses and commandments I have a hard time keeping. But I don't ever justify them or think the commandments are outdated and should keep up with the times.

And yeah I worked pretty $%#!*&! hard to get my testimony.Doesn't mean that suddenly being obedient is easy. It's never easy, not even for prophets like Nephi or even President Hinckley. A testimony doesn't make being Mormon easier. Just more worth it.
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I meant to add, Sarah, that I agree with you about trying out what the prophet says to know whether or not it is true. that's why I included those scriptures about experimenting on the word.
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Heh heh - ask NCD. I am an evil sinner. Which is why he married me...
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I had a whole post typed out and lost it. Grrrr
The gist was that I understand that somethings are hard gained. But gifts are given to each person. I have been blessed with the gift of listening to the spirit. Dh would have to put forth effort to be better at this. So he often defers to me (which sometimes bugs me). I don't have a testimony of some things and I could work harder too to gain them. But then I'm a sucky mormon lately. eh.

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I have never understood the concept of a gay Mormon. Why insist on being a member of a church led by a leader you don't believe speaks for God?
The gay mormons I know are not trying to change the gospel. They struggle with same gender attractions, but they are not asking for any special privileges. They are far better members than I am. To say that they shouldn't be members IS the same as saying that someone with alcoholism shouldn't be. They have a different set of challenges. But I heard and believe that if I was placed in a room with all the challenges, I would most likely pick the ones I have. That's because I already did.

And, Alisa, I'm sorry for making an assumption.
I do think that each of us comes by some parts of a testimony easier than others. I've never had a problem paying tithing for some reason. But I struggle with other areas and have had to learn through practice and still have a ways to go on other things. Everyone is like this I think. There are no perfect people.
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The gay mormons I know are not trying to change the gospel. They struggle with same gender attractions, but they are not asking for any special privileges. They are far better members than I am. To say that they shouldn't be members IS the same as saying that someone with alcoholism shouldn't be. They have a different set of challenges. But I heard and believe that if I was placed in a room with all the challenges, I would most likely pick the ones I have. That's because I already did.
RasJane, Alisa ... I think you are talking about the same thing from different ends of the argument. That's all. Not comparing apples and oranges but rather comparing delicious reds and gala apples (to make a ham-handed metaphor).

So, I think we're all more or less on the same page if not the same paragraph or sentence on the issue.

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Heh heh - ask NCD. I am an evil sinner. Which is why he married me...
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Because some people don't believe it's and all or nothing thing as you apparently do.
Well, the gospel IS all or nothing - President Hinckley has said it himself - it's either all true, or it's the biggest hoax ever perpetrated on the world. I don't think anyone is saying that they perfectly follow every facet of the gospel, but in order to be a faithful member in good standing, you do need to believe every facet of the gospel, or at least have faith that there is a reason the way it is. Some parts of the gospel have gray areas, for example, how much meat you should eat. But the doctrine on same-sex relationships is crystal clear. I don't want to push anyone away from the church, but I don't see any value in pretending that the Church's doctrine is different than it is in order to seem tolerant.

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The gay mormons I know are not trying to change the gospel.
Like NCD pointed out, I think you two are talking around each other. I am assuming that Alisa is talking about practicing gays, and you and quarteralien are talking about people with same-sex attraction (SSA). I am sure that Alisa can totally get behind the concept of a person who has SSA but doesn't act on it being a faithful member. A celibate person with SSA can be a 100% in good standing, temple-worthy member. Their SSA has absolutely nothing to do with their standing in the church or their eternal salvation, or anything. However, there is no allowance for those who act on their SSA. Of course they can still be members, but not members in good standing. Just as any of us would not be members in good standing if we broke any commandment or covenant.
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I'm not going to drink the coolaid, but it doesn't mean that I believe that everything that's said is a lie.
What does this mean? I'm afraid I haven't heard that one before
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I believe it's in reference to a cult, who's followers all committed suicide by a poison mixed in kool-aid as their leader directed them to.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's the only time I've hear of that.
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I believe it's in reference to a cult, who's followers all committed suicide by a poison mixed in kool-aid as their leader directed them to.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

That's the only time I've hear of that.
Right. Probably wasn't the most appropriate joke, but DH says it around here quite often to it's just kinda slipped into my vocab. Sorry if anyone was offended by it.

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Thanks for clearing that up. I had thought it was in reference to the perpetually sugary refreshments at all Mormon gatherings. :
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Thanks for clearing that up. I had thought it was in reference to the perpetually sugary refreshments at all Mormon gatherings. :
Haha I've noticed that, too. :

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I'm not going to drink the coolaid
It's a reference to Jim Jones and the People's Temple and their mass suicide in Guyana in 1977.

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Whether you were intentionally referencing that or not, MP, I dunno ... but that's what that refers to.

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I have never understood the concept of a gay Mormon. Why insist on being a member of a church led by a leader you don't believe speaks for God?
I don't think it's about not believeing...it's about having temptations... some people have temptations/attractions toward the same sex. Some have temptations to do inappropriate things with the opposite sex. Some have temptations to use alcohol or drugs. They can all know what is right, and all believe that the prophet speaks for God, and know and genuinely believe that their desires are wrong...and still have the desires.
Like I said, I know a couple of good LDS men who are 'recovering' gays. They had those desires. One actively lived the lifestyle for quite a while. Both are currently temple worthy and unmarried...doing their best to deal with the desires that still surface, but not acting on them because they know they are wrong...
Like somebody else said, I occasionally have the strong desire to smack somebody...doesn't mean it's right, or that I think it's ok, but I do get the desire...

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I am talking about people who want to change doctrine. People who approach the church a la carte.
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bugs me like crazy.
if it worked that way...well....i wouldn't go to church, i'd go dance in teh woods with candles and long robes. DH would come with me, but he'd be voting for skyclad...
( we actually had this discussion the other day "if you could invent your own religion" etc.)

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ok, so i have a question...
see that little thingie on the left there, right under the username, whre it says "rating" and we all have 0% (0) ...what IS that?! What does it mean?! What is it for? Am I the only one here who is clueless?!

feelin ditzy, but oh so curious...
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I don't see any rating anywhere... maybe because I use Firefox???

Ooooh, and speaking of Firefox, my brother works for the Evil Empire (Microsoft) and doesn't even have any Microsoft products on his non-work computer. I just find that hilarious. He in fact doesn't even like Microsoft. But he likes the money they give him!

And a vent on behalf of my sister... she was supposed to close on her house today. She's going through a bankruptcy so my parents are buying the house for them and my sister is paying the mortgage. Anyway, the mortgage guy calls yesterday (the 11th) and says that because it won't be owner occupied, there are different rules and they will have to pay 10% down and the interest rate with be 1/2% higher. So needless to say they are going with a different mortgage broaker! This guy had all their information for at least a week, probably more like two weeks, and only sent their info to underwriting yesterday! My parents are now putting a mortgage on their house (it's paid in full) so they can get the better rates. I'm just so mad that this guy, who should have known from the get-go that this woud be at a higher rate, would wait until the last minute to say something! My sister has to suffer through two or three more weeks of living with my mother! It's something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy! She doesn't allow my sister's kids to do anything! One day she took away all their activities and when they complained of being bored and wondered what they could do, she said, "you can read a book." That was the ONLY OPTION she allowed! Legos are too messy, computer is too noisy, TV is annoying and noisy... I feel so bad for my sister. She has 6 kids and can't keep them all happily entertained all the time, and if she could they would be a lot louder! My mom has forgotten what having little kids is like! But at the same time, she knows what's best for our kids, and will let us know her opinion. I'm really hoping her mission will make her a little less OCD and a little more compassionate and loving toward our kids! (She's leaving January 4th for Provo, and flies to Germany on the 14th I think)

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You can't see the ratings if you have certain skins on. I have the purple/green/tan skin, and I can't see them. I read a thread on them once - I don't think what they're for has been announced yet. Or maybe they're for the new Trading Forum.
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oh, I hadn't connected it's a skin thing. I never seen them on my computer, but I always do on DH's, both running Linux and using Firefox. But my computer has the lavender skin. I guess that makes sense.
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ok, so i have a question...
see that little thingie on the left there, right under the username, whre it says "rating" and we all have 0% (0) ...what IS that?! What does it mean?! What is it for? Am I the only one here who is clueless?!

feelin ditzy, but oh so curious...
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Yep, I asked on the Questions and Suggestions forum and they said it's for the new Trading Post. They are thinking of removing it from being displayed under the username, though.

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bugs me like crazy.
if it worked that way...well....i wouldn't go to church, i'd go dance in teh woods with candles and long robes. DH would come with me, but he'd be voting for skyclad...
( we actually had this discussion the other day "if you could invent your own religion" etc.)

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Yeah, same here. And I vote skyclad too.

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II'm really hoping her mission will make her a little less OCD and a little more compassionate and loving toward our kids! (She's leaving January 4th for Provo, and flies to Germany on the 14th I think)
eeek! Your poor sister and her kids. I hope you're right about the mission!

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It came from President Hinckley and the First Presidency. So, as NCD just said to me, "If it came from President Hinckley, it wasn't out of line."
hmmmm.... so when Brigham Young said what he had to say about blacks that wasn't out of line?

i don't think that saying homosexuality is wrong is out of line. i don't think that the church having it's stance is out of line. dipping into politics is. if we want to be able to do it than we need to be ok with other churches doing the same and i'm just not. there is a line and we need to maintain that line for our own sake.

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Skyclad?

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Skyclad?
Nakey. I was raised pagan.

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hmmmm.... so when Brigham Young said what he had to say about blacks that wasn't out of line?

i don't think that saying homosexuality is wrong is out of line. i don't think that the church having it's stance is out of line. dipping into politics is. if we want to be able to do it than we need to be ok with other churches doing the same and i'm just not. there is a line and we need to maintain that line for our own sake.
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So I'm never going visiting teaching again. We had 2 appointments today, the first one was to a woman in our ward who lives more rurally than I do, though I think we are her closest neighbors. It's about a 10 minute drive for me over some hills and windy roads. And it started snowing while we were there. It took me 45 minutes to get home, and that was including backing out from the edge of the drainage ditch at the side of the road. I haven't seen a single snow plow today, and I took another route with the idea that it got more traffic and surely it would have been plowed. Nope. So it was white-knuckle driving all the way home. Oh, and we cancelled our second appointment. I dont' like visiting teaching anyway, and this was just not what I wanted to do on the day of a big snowstorm.
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There are those who have homesexual attractions, but don't act on it. They also have testmonies of the gospel. I remember reading a Sunstone article years ago by a gay Mormon about all the torment he went through in his life trying to reconcile his feelings with his testimony. He mentioned another gay Mormon he met who passed out Books of Mormon to everyone he knew and told them about the gospel, because he believed he himself was too far gone, having acted on his gay persuasion too many times, but he didn't want to deprive others of the knowledge he had. I didn't agree with the author's eventual conclusion, which was that he would find a man and have a relationship, but it was eye-opening for me to realize just how much of a struggle it is for some people, that it isn't just a matter of saying "I'm not going to be gay." I don't really understand it, as I've never experienced it, but I also respect those who despite that trial still try to live the gospel.
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Carol Lynn Pearson and her daughter have a perspective on this (and Prop. 22) that are well worth reading. i can't seem to find them : but here is Carol Lynn's site http://www.clpearson.com/
her daughter wrote a wonderful essay on this very subject that i can't find. i use to have it saved to my computer...

(OT- but the Sunstone does have some fabulous articles. some... not so much )

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Because some people don't believe it's and all or nothing thing as you apparently do. Just because I get impatient and swat at my son despite the fact that I believe it to be absolutely wrong doesn't mean I'm no longer a mother. It's that very blind "I'll believe absolutely anything I'm told" mentality that leads to the belief by mainstream society that mormonism is more like a cult than a religion. That was even one of DH's biggest fears about me joining the church. No one is perfect and I will never pretend that they are. If I pray with a sincere heart and get a different answer, I chalk it up to people being human. I'm not going to drink the coolaid, but it doesn't mean that I believe that everything that's said is a lie.
i can understand where you are coming from and why you are hurt. it was pretty offensive Although i know Alisa and i seriously doubt she meant it to be just like i don't think you meant to be offensive here.
yes, there are members who just go with it regardless and yes they do bug me. but for the most part this isn't the case. we all are asked to pray to know what the Prophet is saying is true. we are asked ot follow but never blindly. hat is contrary to agency. unlike what Alisa said it isn't "all or nothing" with the you either sustain the Prophet or not. there are plenty of things that Prophets say and do in their personal lives (let's all remember they are human and not infallible) that have unintentionally misrepresented the church (we're still called racists thanks to Young). we are never asked to just blindly follow and all the mamas and papas here don't, IMO. trust me, when you meet a Mormon lemming you'll know.

i am use to my testimony of the Prophet being challenged. a low blow, IMO. i very much have a testimony in the Prophet of the Lord. i very much have a testimony in the church. i am in no way saying that we need to "excuse" homosexuality or that the Prophet in himself was out of line. i am merely talking about the church and the government. because we need to come into reality a bit. if the Prophet is going to make statements directing us either which way in politics there is going to be repercussions. unfortunate? yes and no.
we can't turn up our noses to the very laws and ways of government that protect us.

frankly, i think the government needs to get their noses out of marriage. period. they have no place. and the fact that we *can* vote on whether or not people can marry is disgusting, IMO. what was this country founded on, again? : so i don't think the real issue is same-sex marriage- it's marriage in general.

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