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FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 12:12 AM 01-11-2008
pa·gan n
1.somebody who does not follow one of the world’s main religions, especially somebody who is not a Christian, Muslim, or Jew, and whose religion is regarded as questionable (sometimes considered offensive)
2.a follower of an ancient polytheistic or pantheistic religion
3.somebody who has no religion (disapproving)

adj
1.believing in or relating to a religion that is not one of the world’s main religions and is regarded as questionable
2.believing in or relating to an ancient polytheistic or pantheistic religion
3.having no religion (sometimes considered offensive)

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"I do believe in fairies, I Do!"

Where is the Pagan tribe?

Before I go more into my search for other pagan practitioners let me go a little in to my past principles of belief.

I was raised catholic but after really paying attention in my High School history class I renounced that form of "ism". Don’t get me wrong I still respect that upbringing for helping me learn the difference between love and fear. My family wasn’t really practicing Gotholosism to a tee anyhow so why would I call my self a certain “ism” if I only followed half a$$. I mean anything worth doing is worth doing right. That would just disrespect all the other’s individuals who are truly committed to their faith.

I don't really follow any specific constitution. What I do believe in is "Me". I just have a really good idea. I believe in the Divine in the sense that we are all born with it. We have it in us to bring out our on demons and angels. I see that as we grow older we loose ourselves in this world of distractions. I mean after having my DD I couldn’t believe that, that beautiful creature is a sin. Life is beautiful love is powerful and that’s what having her revealed to me.

I respect the vibration of the world, the energy of life and the duality of it all. I believe there's a lot more than just a 1D existence. So this call is to find other individuals who also have their own "idea" as to how to walk this road of LIFE.
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FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 09:46 AM 01-11-2008
I just got off the phone with my mother and she asked when I was going to Baptise my DD? I said that because Dh wasn't Catholic and I wasn't practicing anymore that we weren't doing it. She responded with something I thought I'd never hear her say. Some thing that suggested that she was very open to my "unconventional"l faith. She said in a very loving tone " Well I don't care what you do, just do something to protect the baby". Hmmm, that suggested to me that she has little of the witch in her too.

Has anyone done some sort of "Pagan Baptism". Or know were I can get some info on doing one?

I was thinking about having all the women in our family (one of each generation ) follow me into the ocean (where I believe life springs from) and take turns handling DD as we voice our gift or blessing to her. Kinda like the fairies in sleeping beauty who each gave the princess a gift. I would like to have the men in the family have a part too but I haven't thought that far ahead.
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 01:12 AM 01-12-2008
Help!

Update: Had a successful Baby Blessing! Story Here)
POPupTheVolume's Avatar POPupTheVolume 01:39 AM 01-12-2008
[QUOTE=FreeLove;10250795]Has anyone done some sort of "Pagan Baptism". Or know were I can get some info on doing one?[QUOTE]

I think of doing a pagan coming-of-ago for DD when she does it, but I would never baptize a baby who doesn't have a say of which religion he wants to e part of, if at all.
Sage_SS's Avatar Sage_SS 01:41 AM 01-12-2008
Look in the spirituality forum.
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 04:42 AM 01-12-2008
[QUOTE=POPupTheVolume;10259096][QUOTE=FreeLove;10250795]Has anyone done some sort of "Pagan Baptism". Or know were I can get some info on doing one?
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I think of doing a pagan coming-of-ago for DD when she does it, but I would never baptize a baby who doesn't have a say of which religion he wants to e part of, if at all.
That's exactly how I feel but I still feel like I should appease my mother some how. :
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 04:44 AM 01-12-2008
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Look in the spirituality forum.
Thanks I'll check there.
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 07:58 PM 01-14-2008
[QUOTE=POPupTheVolume;10259096][QUOTE=FreeLove;10250795]Has anyone done some sort of "Pagan Baptism". Or know were I can get some info on doing one?
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I think of doing a pagan coming-of-ago for DD when she does it, but I would never baptize a baby who doesn't have a say of which religion he wants to e part of, if at all.
Oh Oh, what if we did a protection ritual instead! Or something like that. Does anyone know any?
EviesMom's Avatar EviesMom 08:09 PM 01-14-2008
Maybe something like a wiccaning? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiccaning

ps-I have an Evie too!
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 08:22 PM 01-14-2008
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ps-I have an Evie too!
Isn' that a beautiful name! My dd is EVIE VESPERAH what's your LO's middle name?
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 08:29 PM 01-14-2008
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Look in the spirituality forum.
Where is it I can't find it?
Pam_and_Abigail's Avatar Pam_and_Abigail 08:37 PM 01-14-2008
We always do a Welcoming and Blessing Ceremony for our babies. I dislike the phrase 'wiccaning' because it sounds like you're making the baby a Wiccan, which I don't feel like doing.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=819789

Here's the January pagan thread :-)
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 09:11 PM 01-14-2008
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We always do a Welcoming and Blessing Ceremony for our babies. I dislike the phrase 'wiccaning' because it sounds like you're making the baby a Wiccan, which I don't feel like doing.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=819789

Here's the January pagan thread :-)
Thanks Mama! I agree with you there on the "wiccaning"
. So where do I find a Welcoming and blessing ceremony?
Pam_and_Abigail's Avatar Pam_and_Abigail 10:30 PM 01-14-2008
I adapted the ritual I use out of a book called "Circle Round". It's a pretty popular book for pagan parents.
EviesMom's Avatar EviesMom 11:21 PM 01-14-2008
My Evie's middle name is Marie after her grandmother.
mamasgroovin's Avatar mamasgroovin 12:44 AM 01-15-2008
Well, paganism...is that even a word?...is not at all what I thought. Anyone else here think of Paganism as is described in Dragnet? :
I certainly am not a Christian, and I do not conform to ANYONE'S standards, but I do feel that there IS something bigger than me out there, I just haven't figured it all out yet.

Your definition certainly is intriguing to me.

There is something here that I cannot describe that has drawn me to this thread. I have these thoughts that I am not quite sure what to do with. Do I perhaps belong here? This idea messes with my head. Sorry to be rambling. Must delve further into this...BBL, perhaps.
DaughterOfKali's Avatar DaughterOfKali 12:52 AM 01-15-2008
Yes, paganism is a word. There are probably some books at the library that may have pagan blessings for a child/baby. Or, go to a big bookstore (Borders, Barnes & Noble) and look in their New Age (or religion/spirituality) section. You'll find tons of books for beginners.
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 10:34 PM 01-15-2008
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Well, paganism...is that even a word?...is not at all what I thought. Anyone else here think of Paganism as is described in Dragnet? :
I certainly am not a Christian, and I do not conform to ANYONE'S standards, but I do feel that there IS something bigger than me out there, I just haven't figured it all out yet.

Your definition certainly is intriguing to me.

There is something here that I cannot describe that has drawn me to this thread. I have these thoughts that I am not quite sure what to do with. Do I perhaps belong here? This idea messes with my head. Sorry to be rambling. Must delve further into this...BBL, perhaps.
. In my opinion being pagan is to question everything,
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 10:40 PM 01-15-2008
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Yes, paganism is a word. There are probably some books at the library that may have pagan blessings for a child/baby. Or, go to a big bookstore (Borders, Barnes & Noble) and look in their New Age (or religion/spirituality) section. You'll find tons of books for beginners.
That would be awesome but there's only like two major book stores on Guam. Bestseller and Faith bookstore. Faith bookstore is a christian bookstore and Bestsellers New Age section is like only two shelves worth of material. I think I'd do better at a used book store.
earthmama369's Avatar earthmama369 10:42 PM 01-15-2008
The Spirituality forum is one of the ones you'll be able to see once you've hit the 60/100 rule (60 days as a member and 100 posts). You've got the post count, you just need the time. Actually, it looks like you have the time. Can you see the Talk Amongst Ourselves forum?

Every month there's a pagan circle thread in Spirituality for general discussion -- there are some really nice mamas there of various backgrounds and beliefs. It's a chill place to hang out; great group to ask questions of.

I can think of a few types of ceremonies for this time in your lives -- a blessingway (usually toward the end of pregnancy), a babymoon (first 4-12 weeks after birth), a welcoming ceremony, a naming ceremony. Usually the blessingway and the naming ceremonies are "bigger deals," in my experience, and the welcoming ceremony is a quieter thing, as is the babymoon. Well, that's the point of the babymoon -- to ensure a quiet, relaxing space for the new family to get to know each other.
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 10:49 PM 01-15-2008
Okay so DD is past the 4-12 weeks so maybe we can do a naming ceremony. What other age is good to do a ceremony?
mamasgroovin's Avatar mamasgroovin 01:15 AM 01-18-2008
OK, I still haven't done much looking into this Pagan thing, but I have been thinking an awful lot about my spirituality lately. These are just some rambling thoughts, so take that for what it is worth. I do not mean to be offensive, I am simply on a fact finding mission.

I am NOT ceremonious. There has been mention of many different types of Pagan ceremonies, and that just ain't my thing. My MIL freaked out when dh and I refused to have our children Christened (we both grew up in episcopal homes). I cannot "give myself" to any religion. I need freedom.

However, I do believe there is some life force beyond me. I feel it. I feel it in the sunrise, and set. In the rise of the moon. And OH!! ~ In the eyes of my children. In the trees. I feel the Earth ~ I love to dig with my hands and plant and grow, and give life. I am drawn to astronomical and meteorological events. When a storm comes, I always go outside to feel the wind and all it's power. And I dance in it. And speak to it. I am quite sure the neighbors think I am nuts! : (I like it that way ~ )

OK, I sound like a total freak reading back. : I am really quite...well, normal in my opinion. But THAT I feel is my religion. Perhaps this isn't the place for me. But I am searching. I made a promise I need to keep.
fhqwhgads's Avatar fhqwhgads 03:06 PM 01-18-2008
I had to change my username and lock my old account because of stalkery issues, so I don't have access to the 60/100 forums (cry) anymore, but I is be a pagans! ^_^ I'm a solitary green/kitchen witch. Pretty eclectic. I kinda fell off the path after DD was born (due to PPD), and not belonging to a real spiritual *group*. It's so much easier to be in a major organized religion, I think, than striking out one's own path, yanno? You've got a support network on every block available to you, nearly. It wasn't so bad in MI, because I lived at the hub of FOCAS (federation of circles and solitaries), heck we even had a float in the city Christmas parade! In San Diego it's a lot different. It's like a second Orange County. White, conservative, and Christian for the most part. I've been seeking out groups for pagans and pagan mothers but it's hard, we're scattered all over the county and many of the groups dissipate after a few months.

On to the ritual note. I'd suggest reading "The Art of Ritual". It's a real great book that can help you create your own ceremonies for rites of passage, welcoming new members of the family, saying goodbye to loved ones, etc.

Mamasgroovin, you sound a lot like me. I just see two distinct patterns in nature, each relying on each other. Growth, life, all those things feel like a feminine. So I call it Goddess. Death (like plants dying in the winter), destruction (like the wind and rain battering away at mountains), clearing away the old to make room for the new...that is God. I feel like they are nearly sentient, and yet not. They are energies that respond to our own. I think the various gods and goddesses of the past are a mix of our own divine projections, and the many faces of Goddess and God. I've studied a lot of religions, and have come to terms with what divinity feels like to me. It may not be concrete dogma, it's just the basis for how I see the world - and isn't that what any religion really is?
Dakota's Mom's Avatar Dakota's Mom 10:34 PM 01-18-2008
A Wiccaning or Paganing is not "making" a child Wiccan. It is introducing the child to the elements, Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and Spirit. It is asking for the protection and blessings of the God and Goddess on the child. We did, much as the original poster said and passed the baby around the circle, asking each person to offer a blessing to the baby. Each person lit a candle representing themself and their wishes for the baby. Each person also went around the circle and offered a blessing to the birth mother of our child. The most touching of these was from a then five year old girl who had been adopted herself. She wished that the birth mother would not be too sad. Brings tears to my eyes still, five years later. We lit a candle for the adoption agency and the lawyers who helped us adopt. It was a beautiful ceremony. Our son received a gift from each of the four directions. He still has on his altar, a candle, a feather, a stone, and a shell. The book, Blessingway has some good ideas in it as well as Circle Round.

Kathi
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 04:58 AM 01-19-2008
Way before humanity started placing pen to parchement, we told stories. And a lot of thoses stories were remembered and acted through ritual (a.k.a. ceremony).

Rituals, to honor creation and end. These rituals helped also to prepare society for each season and how to prepare for them. When to plant and when to harvest.


A lot of modern day holidays and celebrations are actually Pagan based ceremonies/rituals. For example "Easter" the practice of egg painting and the easter bunny coming from a Pagan celebration of Ostara.

Ostara: March 22

Ostara (pronounced Oh-star-ah), the Vernal Equinox, is when the season of Spring reaches its midpoint - night and day stand in perfect balance. Light overtakes dark and the days begin to grow longer. In the Northern Hemisphere this is the time when seeds are planted for the coming harvest. This is a good time to plant new ideas for the coming year as well.

The Easter Bunny and painting eggs have their beginnings in German mythology. Eostre is the German Goddess of the Spring and her symbols are the egg and the rabbit, symbols of innocence and fertility. Today Ostara is a celebration of birth and new life: the Goddess has returned after her winter slumber. The Greek myth of Persephone is also connected to the return of Spring.
*defintion from paganparenting.com

It's interesting how society has adapted an ancient pagan ritual to Christianity. That let's you know that pagan practice, so old and so ingrained in culture that that we evolve it to meet our spiritual needs.

The whole idea "paganism" to evolve and survive and move on then to honor that cycle and what you have learned from.

mamasgroovin>
Dancing in the rain and feeling the "life force" is a ritual you've adapted to honor what you believe in.

Ritual is how we remember without the influence of the written word. Which is usually from someone else's perspective. That is why it is sometimes more crucial to make your own or adapt rituals to your own convictions.

But I myself love to hear everyone's unique way of honoring the things they love.
Hippie Mama in MI's Avatar Hippie Mama in MI 06:04 PM 01-19-2008
Glad to find some fellow pagans on MDC; I am new here and still looking for forums to settle down in. I hope this "Pagan Tribe" thing is always available...

I too have danced in a thunderstorm, talked with the wind, breathed with the trees. I find nothing that includes ME in Christianity (or any other religion that makes a practice of persecuting others for their beliefs). However, I often don't fit in with pagans, either!

I attended a pagan discussion group for a while last summer. The dozen people who were there all looked down their noses at me, for various reasons. I was not initiated into a definite "path" of paganism. I was very interested in both Wicca and druidism, but they told me that a) all the books I had read on druidism were baloney, and b) Wicca was for weaklings. They also thought I was positively uncool for bringing my infant son to the meetings, and were offended when I left one meeting early. I left because they were watching some horrid Japanese cartoon porn, very violent, very offensive. What does THAT have to do with paganism?? I never went back.

I was so let down by this pagan discussion group, because I desperately wanted to discuss paganism... to seek its secrets and wisdom through talking with friends. But there was no discussion of paganism at all, really... a few fliers for an upcoming festival wer handed around; a few recipes were exchanged. But it turned out that these "pagans" wanted mostly to put other "pagans" down. A shame.

I live in the middle of nowhere, in a town where everyone knows my grandmother (who is a church elder). Recently some kind of Christian evangelist came to my door, wanting to talk with me about God and Jesus. I usually nod politely to get these people to leave... but that day I was in a funny mood. I said, "I'm going to be a tough sell. I'm a pagan."

The woman looked at me like I was crazy, and said, "In twenty years of seeking to help people find the Lord, I have never heard anyone say that before. Can you tell me why? Why would you do such a thing?"

"Why are you a Christian?" I replied.

"Because I have read the Bible, and I know... I know... that it speaks the truth." The woman noticed my infant son, who was playing with toys on the floor behind me. She said, "What about your baby? Where do you think your baby came from?"

I said, "Well, I would show you, but I think you'd have me arrested." And I gently closed the door.

Love and Light to all you other "Rain Dancers!"

Kady
Ianthe's Avatar Ianthe 06:24 PM 01-19-2008
That definition fits me, but I don't "practice" anything.. DH and I had a handfasting for our wedding though
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 10:31 PM 01-19-2008
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"Because I have read the Bible, and I know... I know... that it speaks the truth." The woman noticed my infant son, who was playing with toys on the floor behind me. She said, "What about your baby? Where do you think your baby came from?"

I said, "Well, I would show you, but I think you'd have me arrested." And I gently closed the door.
laughup Oh that is rich! I love that responce. From the energy of love lady same thing I think "God" is all about.

I am so sorry to hear about your pagan group experience. In my opinion a Pagan lifestyle is incorporating family and encouraging you to make your own traditions/rituals.

You are always welcome here, to be just as you are.

This tribe is a "What it is" tribe we ask, we investigate, we share. In the hopes to evolve our spirituality but never to offend anyone or to empower ourselves by creating a class system.

I really don't like using the term Pagan"ism" because of the "ism" part. But sometimes I end having to. When ever another "ism" is introduced it always seems to make people come together just to compare not to share.

Everything we do in life is a ritual, a story. Being pagan is about sharing those and gathering insights from each one.

It's like this quote I read over and over when I was preparing myself for a homebirth.

"You are a woman, a daughter of daughters, Within you is the strength, courage, and the love of a woman; of a mother. You have been given this gift, because you can do this; it has always been in you to do this. Do not fear what is to be but rather go forth in knowledge and confidence.
Follow your heart, your instincts; they will not lie to you."

The last part is so true! Just follow your heart and go with your own flow. That is the vibration to which you have been set to. No one else can be set to it and nor you to there's. You only feel "out of place" when you do not dance to the beat of your own heart.

Is Love; Love Is :
Flidais32's Avatar Flidais32 03:30 PM 01-20-2008
Another solitary, ecclectic rain dancer here! I don't feel that we need to belong to a group to connect with teh divine with ourselves, or with the divine in nature. There is power and a uniting spirit between us all if one attunes themselves to it. Sorry that some of you have had awful experiences with different groups out there, I suppose that is one reason I am a solitary pagan, I don't go in for other's rules and such. I prefer to commune with nature as it touches and reaches my spirit. So glas to be a part of a place that celebrates this!!!
FreeLove's Avatar FreeLove 11:51 PM 01-20-2008
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>Sorry that some of you have had awful experiences with different groups out there, I suppose that is one reason I am a solitary pagan, I don't go in for other's rules and such.

>So glas to be a part of a place that celebrates this!!!
Ditto! Welcome mama, thanks for sharing with us. look forward to hearing more of your insights.
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