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I totally belive the new gospel part about Jesus coming to America. The actual church is intimidating though.
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I totally belive the new gospel part about Jesus coming to America. The actual church is intimidating though.
Um can I share something? Yeah it intimidates DH and I, too. We're just not "into" the church though we love our Brothers and Sisters and we go and such we're just not as active as a lot of people meaning we don't go to every gathering, every Enrichment Night, etc.


DH is in the Elder's Quorum and Sunday School Presidencies and in one of the meetings (I can't remember which) he had an epiphany- church is the supplement. It shouldn't be our main nourishment but a supplement like a multivitamin. Make sense?

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The actual church is intimidating though.
I'm really interested in this! I would like to understand more. I've never been intimidated by the church.
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I'm really interested in this! I would like to understand more. I've never been intimidated by the church.
I am just not that into church doctrine. and clergy. It seems like there are ALOT of people in charge at the LDS church.

And alot of "rules."

Jesus and I don't really "do" rules.

We do conviction.

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I'm late, but we use the Primary manual. Right now we're working with Primary 2 since my DD1 is 4. You can find it online at:
http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vg...100000176f620a____
thanks .. i need to get the new nursery manual

and re the church being intimidating i can understand their is alot , and like mags said in her post it is to support , that is the purpose to support the family and individuals in coming to the Savior . the mission of the church is not meetings , activities etc really .. those are their to support the Gospel and the Lord's plan not to replace it
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I am just not that into church doctrine. and clergy. It seems like there are ALOT of people in charge at the LDS church.

And alot of "rules."

Jesus and I don't really "do" rules.

We do conviction.

Joseph Smith said "I teach them correct principles and they govern themselves" and that's what I remember when the church gets really over-the-top with some of their rules like how many earrings we should wear in one ear and whether or not it's ok to grow a beard and such. Remember that the gospel is perfect but the church is governed by men trying to do the best they can and that because of that it is flawed. You're not going to be ex'd for wearing 2 earrings in one ear, BTW, but there are plenty of people who will treat you differently. And that is their problem. The gospel is really really simple. Just cling to that and everything will fall into place, ykwim? When you live the gospel you can't help but live righteously but there is a difference in living the gospel and following every last rule you have ever heard in Mormondom whether it be over the pulpit or complete myth.

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What are your favorite LDS music choices? I want to have more spiritual music in our home (especially to play on Sundays) but I cannot stand the typical pop-y stylings you get and I really can't stand the seminary video CDs and such.

Stephanie Smith and Fiddlesticks is pretty good. Any other suggestions?

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[QUOTE=magstphil;12631189]What are your favorite LDS music choices?/QUOTE]

My daughters spontaneously choosing to play their instruments and figure out a duet of a hymn or Primary song! (violin and piano sound so nice together

Oh sorry, not everyone has daughters who play duets! I have simple preferences as far as recorded music: I love hymns and Primary songs. The ones put out by the church are OK, good enough for pleasant background music. We have some hymn collections from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, also other non-LDS hymn collections, etc.

Also I sit down and play some hymns myself.
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And alot of "rules."

Jesus and I don't really "do" rules.

We do conviction.
I just wanted to share my own experience about this part.

I find that I need to get a testimony (conviction) of a "rule." I believe that the leaders are guided by revelation (general purposes). So I believe a "rule" was given by revelation. But sometimes I've found that I need to follow the rule to gain the conviction.
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Oh my feelings are a bit different - I dont believe you need to follow a rule to be a Christian.

I am not exactly finding a church that reflects my belief but I feels strongly about the gospel of grace - that nothing we do is good enough for God.

What I believe is that if you are close to God, and you are maintaining a relationship with him, you are not sinning for that reason alone. You are convicted by how close you are to God. By how much you are trusting.

I don't know why I can't seem to wrap my head around the "rule" aspect of churches. Maybe its the devil.




Thats why I want to get back in to church though, I want to grow in my faith.

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What are your favorite LDS music choices? I want to have more spiritual music in our home (especially to play on Sundays) but I cannot stand the typical pop-y stylings you get and I really can't stand the seminary video CDs and such.
Well, I am not totally sure what you mean by pop-y...My mom has an album by Sharlene Wells Hawkes ("When all will believe") that I really like. It was weird because neither of us liked it at first, but the more we listened to it, the more it grew on us. She has really powerful lyrics. For example she has a song written about the crucifixion/resurrection from the point of view of the earth.
Janice Kapp Perry is usually a hit with me--I think I like pretty much everything she's done.
There are a number of instrumentalists who have albums of arrangements of hymns...I don't remember specifics off the top of my head, but I can get titles for you if you want.


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Oh my feelings are a bit different - I dont believe you need to follow a rule to be a Christian.

I am not exactly finding a church that reflects my belief but I feels strongly about the gospel of grace - that nothing we do is good enough for God.

What I believe is that if you are close to God, and you are maintaining a relationship with him, you are not sinning for that reason alone. You are convicted by how close you are to God. By how much you are trusting.
In the book of mormon it says "By grace we are saved after all we can do", in other words, we can never do enough...but Christ isn't going to do the work to help us if we're not willing to help ourselves too...
Sin separates us from God, so it does matter what we are doing. Of course none of us is able to do enough--to be good enough on our own--that is where grace comes in. Christ will build the bridge for us to cross--but it is still our responsibility to walk across that bridge.

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I am counting on God to convict me of the things I am mislead on right now.

Maybe through you!
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Brighton~ Love what you had to say re: 'grace' and 'sin'.


Like I said (I think. I may have just said it in my head and not actually typed it) when you love God and follow Him everything else just falls right into place because you find yourself wanting to do.

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Going OT again-
We have talked about this before but I am getting serious about dreading my hair. The more I think about it the more natural it seems for me seeing as how that is what my hair does on it's own after going 1 $@^%# day without brushing it *sigh*. The only reason I am apprehensive is because of how it will be interpreted by members of the church. I know I shouldn't care and I should just move on with my life like I do with what I wear (not immodest but for sure not in style ). I guess I am wondering how you would/do handle others in the church looking down on your lifestyle choices/appearance, etc. It's like I get enough flack for BFing my 18 month old, not vaxing yet, voting for Obama, not eating processed food, etc that I'm just not in the mood to add ANOTHER thing to the list. Does that make sense? But at the same time I would really like to just be me. I have a feeling I am rambling and making no sense here. Sorry!

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Maybe through you!
laughup HAHAHAHA : .... oh, : Sorry.
That would be my humility-kicking in.
Yeah, yeah, sure. Let us know how we can help.
How is everything going, btw? How were the missionaries?

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We have talked about this before but I am getting serious about dreading my hair. The more I think about it the more natural it seems for me seeing as how that is what my hair does on it's own after going 1 $@^%# day without brushing it *sigh*. The only reason I am apprehensive is because of how it will be interpreted by members of the church. I know I shouldn't care and I should just move on with my life like I do with what I wear (not immodest but for sure not in style ). I guess I am wondering how you would/do handle others in the church looking down on your lifestyle choices/appearance, etc. It's like I get enough flack for BFing my 18 month old, not vaxing yet, voting for Obama, not eating processed food, etc that I'm just not in the mood to add ANOTHER thing to the list. Does that make sense? But at the same time I would really like to just be me. I have a feeling I am rambling and making no sense here. Sorry!
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You need to move out East to my area. You know what our stake goal is out here? Getting people to sacrament meeting. Members, nonmember, less actives, their dogs, whatever, doesn't matter how you appear- WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AND YOUR DREADED HAIR. :
Seriously though. Something I said to a college roommate- who was going to throw away a perfectly cute shirt because someone made a comment about it at church : (the shirt was pale pink and the person made the comment, 'what the- did you mix your reds with your whites?')- was
"People will think... it's part of that whole free agency thing. But, alas, you can choose to care."

I just wish people would realize we are different, and that we are at different areas of our progression. I mean, which GA said that he wished he smelt more cigarette smoke on attendents during church meetings? Because that would mean someone is getting on the right path towards repentance.

Sometimes smoke doesn't come just before the fire, ya know?

Not that I'm relating you dreading your hair to smoking. Opps. Sorry. You know what I mean though, appearences, appearences.
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Thanks so much, Angela! Your words made me feel so much better.

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I am LDS

CAn I come in??

I am married to a RM

We have 2 DC and want more

We live in Nor CAl

Hola

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CAn I come in??

I am married to a RM

We have 2 DC and want more

We live in Nor CAl

Hola
WELCOME!
NoCal sounds nice. How's the weather there?
Where did your husband serve?
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Thanks so much, Angela! Your words made me feel so much better.
I'm glad.

I tried, in my round-about way.
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So you guys want to start a hippy mormon church, is that it?
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So you guys want to start a hippy mormon church, is that it?
My dream is to have a hippy LDS commune with enough members that it constitutes a ward or branch. But then where would be the opposition that inhibits personal growth?

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I've been trying to explain "hippie" to my kids, who ask in-depth, impossible questions at ridiculously young ages!!!

It was interesting--my dh was there one time and I had made a comparison between hippies and something else--oh, promoting families or something, and he thought there was a conflict, and then I described some of the ideals of the Farm, you know, Ina May's commune farm they set up in Tennessee. I also told my dd's that if they asked Grandpa (my dad) about hippies they would hear something really different from what I would describe, but I think it's because my dad actually grew up in Eugene, OR, and there were lots of hippies there, although less than in SF and elsewhere in CA ...

Anyway, a "hippie" Mormon commune! I'm not quite sure exactly where I'd fit... But I'm making sourdough bread, so can I join? And I can make my own granola ... Well actually, dh will probably continue working in his field forever--anytime I make comments about chickens he laughs at me. Our HOA says no, but you know, I wonder about victory gardens and the like (and chickens) as the economy and life changes happen in the next little while.

OK, enough rambling ...

There are a lot of interesting scriptures that are about respect for the earth, I like D&C section 59:

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/59

And respecting others for where they're at spiritually (Romans 14, New Test):

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rom/14

These are a couple that lean toward "natural," but giving others their place to grow.

Oh, and Maggie, there's nothing in any interview about dreads ...
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Ha. I don't really fit the mold of "hippie"
I think I'm too conservative. :
Has anyone seen the movie Baptists at our BBQ?
When someone said Hippie Mormon Commune I totally thought of the line, "We'll practice our religion in its 'pure' form."
Funny movie. Good soundtrack. I'll have to read the book someday.
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Ha. I don't really fit the mold of "hippie"
I think I'm too conservative. :
There are lots of conservative crunchies (because I think that is more what we mean then hippies). I am personally pretty darn conservative (don't let the dread-dreaming fool you! ) but then again I am a Libertarian Socialist so....

Honestly I don't fit any mold. I wrote in my journal last night about how I am this faithful Mormon with Pagan leanings who is ultra left on the political spectrum but very conservative personally who is a feminist and June Cleaver wannabe. I love to shave my arms, legs, and underarms but here I am getting ready to dread my hair. Heck! I'm even half white and half I-don't-know-what (my mom liked to party, sadly) and people always make guesses- are you Mexican? Half black? East Indian? Middle Eastern? I just really really don't belong ANYWHERE which gets to me, it really does, but you know I'm getting over it because truth be told I don't really like molds. Just wish I had some sort of community. What's that saying"when God made you He broke the mold"? I think God just took the trimmings off the other molds, lumped them into a heap, threw them in the oven, and out popped me. I don't have a mold, I'm trimmings.

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There are lots of conservative crunchies (because I think that is more what we mean then hippies). I am personally pretty darn conservative (don't let the dread-dreaming fool you! ) but then again I am a Libertarian Socialist so....

Honestly I don't fit any mold. I wrote in my journal last night about how I am this faithful Mormon with Pagan leanings who is ultra left on the political spectrum but very conservative personally who is a feminist and June Cleaver wannabe. I love to shave my arms, legs, and underarms but here I am getting ready to dread my hair. Heck! I'm even half white and half I-don't-know-what (my mom liked to party, sadly) and people always make guesses- are you Mexican? Half black? East Indian? Middle Eastern? I just really really don't belong ANYWHERE which gets to me, it really does, but you know I'm getting over it because truth be told I don't really like molds. Just wish I had some sort of community. What's that saying"when God made you He broke the mold"? I think God just took the trimmings off the other molds, lumped them into a heap, threw them in the oven, and out popped me. I don't have a mold, I'm trimmings.
How can I make that into a ddddc? is their a word limit?


So missionarys made an appointment to come by on saturday. (LOL - they finally "got" that just dropping by wasn't going to work when my house is always messy and my kids are alyways running circles around me.)

I asked them "Do you have school or anything?" My dh was in the room and he goes "NO! they are missionarys! Thats what they do!"

It seems that dh was a boy scout with LDS kids and pretty much grew up with them. So perhaps he is open to this church. Especially because his #1 priority is his family and I have never seen a church put familys like this one does.

I am being led ya'll.
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I asked them "Do you have school or anything?" My dh was in the room and he goes "NO! they are missionarys! Thats what they do!"
I can totally imagine my husband answering my question like that, I totally hear his voice.
Yeah, when they go on missions they put school, jobs, dating, everything on hold.

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It seems that dh was a boy scout with LDS kids and pretty much grew up with them.
Yeah, the church and scouting go hand-in-hand. Nerds on parade.
My husband was just released from his calling as Assistant Scout Master.
Boy, I love a guy in uniform.
SEX-EE!





... I tried to keep it in, keep a straight face, but it didn't work!
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So you guys want to start a hippy mormon church, is that it?
DH and I are totally planning one. You would have to move to southern alaska with us though... :::

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DH and I are totally planning one. You would have to move to southern alaska with us though... :::
I'm in. Alaska is one of the few states DH is willing to relocate to.

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Alaska has actually been growing on me of late.

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AK--My BIL and sis would be in--in about 10 years ...

We could come and visit you!

I don't know where I fit either--someone at church was asking me questions about my last couple of births, and said "when did they break your water" and I said they didn't! Like it never occurred to her that it just broke by itself. I mean, at 8 cm all over the MW with #3 isn't exactly something I'm excited to share at church, although I'll talk casually about it when I'm not wearing my Primary pres. hat ...

I'm socially moderate to liberal, I'm politically and religiously conservative, my choices range from boxed mac n cheese to scratch sourdough pancakes, I wear makeup 1x per year, yeah, I don't fit anywhere either. But my chiro was shocked that I was comfortable with "conventional medicine." Well, I had a spiral leg fracture that required surgery (before kids). You can't put that back together with chiropractic ...

But I'm sorry you don't feel like you fit, Maggie--you fit here (and elsewhere--niches you carve out)..
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The missionary's came today and it rocked!

They stayed for like an hour and a half - I feel kind of bad for making them stay so long!

I am going to TRY to go to church tomorrow.

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