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This is so vile. So tragic and vile.

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Here is the actual study

http://www.thestranger.com/images/bl...oppas_2007.pdf

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Oh. My. G-d. I can't say anything else for fear of violating the UA.

Horrifying, disgusting, and sick on so many levels.

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I was on the west lawn of the Capitol building in Washington DC today at the 7th annual demonstration on circumcision awareness - held in honor of National Men's Health Week.

I talked about this case and this story. It is amazing the disconnect in our culture between genial cutting of minor children - divided by gender. Any genital alteration of girls evokes pure outrage and abhoration in people. When you try to make a parallel to male genital mutilation, a lot of people don't get it.

I am deeply disturbed by this "study". I am glad it is coming out into mainstream media so that a light can be shone on genital cutting of children - ALL CHILDREN!

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Those of you who are getting so upset should read the actual study.

This is not a doctor is not randomly mutilating little girls just for having a clitoris that is "a little too big." This is a doctor who is treating children who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other conditions that cause ambiguous genitalia. Take a look at google images if you'd like to see an example of what children with this condition look like.

Now, I'm not advocating for genital mutilation, so please don't misunderstand. I will readily agree that the support for genital surgery for people with this condition is somewhat mixed. But for those who believe that surgery is a good option, what this doctor is researching is a positive thing. He's doing his best to preserve sensation and sexual function in the patients who have surgery. While the majority of the patients who received the surgery were minors, not all of them were. There are adults who choose to have this surgery, and there are advantages to preserving as much sensation as possible for those who make the choice.

As for the people who are upset about the follow ups, I think there needs to be a little clarification. These girls and women are not being penetrated, they are not being stimulated to climax. They are being touched in different areas and asked to report whether they can feel where they are being touched. The "vibrator" is a biothesiometer, which is a standard neurological medical device used in many different types of applications.

Now, I will say that I'm not a fan of this study. I don't understand why this kind of surgery can't wait until girls are old enough to make their own medical decisions. I do believe there is value in this study (for those who are old enough to give true informed consent), but I disagree with the methods (surgery on girls too young to consent). That said, I think that this has been blown out of proportion and that unfair and sensationalist generalizations have been made.

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Those of you who are getting so upset should read the actual study.

This is not a doctor is not randomly mutilating little girls just for having a clitoris that is "a little too big." This is a doctor who is treating children who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other conditions that cause ambiguous genitalia. Take a look at google images if you'd like to see an example of what children with this condition look like.

Now, I'm not advocating for genital mutilation, so please don't misunderstand. I will readily agree that the support for genital surgery for people with this condition is somewhat mixed. But for those who believe that surgery is a good option, what this doctor is researching is a positive thing. He's doing his best to preserve sensation and sexual function in the patients who have surgery. While the majority of the patients who received the surgery were minors, not all of them were. There are adults who choose to have this surgery, and there are advantages to preserving as much sensation as possible for those who make the choice.

As for the people who are upset about the follow ups, I think there needs to be a little clarification. These girls and women are not being penetrated, they are not being stimulated to climax. They are being touched in different areas and asked to report whether they can feel where they are being touched. The "vibrator" is a biothesiometer, which is a standard neurological medical device used in many different types of applications.

Now, I will say that I'm not a fan of this study. I don't understand why this kind of surgery can't wait until girls are old enough to make their own medical decisions. I do believe there is value in this study (for those who are old enough to give true informed consent), but I disagree with the methods (surgery on girls too young to consent). That said, I think that this has been blown out of proportion and that unfair and sensationalist generalizations have been made.
This should not be done on CHILDREN. I feel they should wait til THE CHILDREN can consent to it and any other medical procedures they need, as long as it's not life-threatening. Children should be made fully aware of their condition, and let them know their options when they are old enough. Having a big clit is not life-threatening. Who decides on the "appropriate" size of a clit in the first place???

And this quote sent me into a rage:
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"Using the vibrator, he also touches her on her inner thigh, her labia minora, and the introitus of her vagina.."
That is just perverted and sick! If that's not sexul abuse, I don't know what it.

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HOLY COW! I too am in absolute shock... it just screams 'abuse!' to me. I Mean, really? Your letting someone touch your *CHILD* and ask if they can 'feel' it? Right. Cause' thats totally neccasarry. At six.

If he wants to do this on adult women, heck, even teenagers, fine. But they had better be fully, 100% informed and consenting. Not little kids. And not w/o fully informed consent. Ugh.
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This is so horrible. I feel sick

What were these parents thinking?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!
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This should not be done on CHILDREN. I feel they should wait til THE CHILDREN can consent to it and any other medical procedures they need, as long as it's not life-threatening. Children should be made fully aware of their condition, and let them know their options when they are old enough. Having a big clit is not life-threatening. Who decides on the "appropriate" size of a clit in the first place???

And this quote sent me into a rage:


That is just perverted and sick! If that's not sexul abuse, I don't know what it.
I totally agree. There is enough going against women in this society who have any genitalia that isn't exactly like a porn star's. http://dodsonandross.com/blogs/betty...perfect-vagina

This is a very graphic movie that discusses how women are being made to feel lesser because of their vaginas. Girls and boys face these issues and neither should have to. It's disturbing and starting to cut off "big clits" at a young age only reinforces this standard of society.

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Those of you who are getting so upset should read the actual study.

This is not a doctor is not randomly mutilating little girls just for having a clitoris that is "a little too big." This is a doctor who is treating children who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other conditions that cause ambiguous genitalia. Take a look at google images if you'd like to see an example of what children with this condition look like.

Now, I'm not advocating for genital mutilation, so please don't misunderstand. I will readily agree that the support for genital surgery for people with this condition is somewhat mixed. But for those who believe that surgery is a good option, what this doctor is researching is a positive thing. He's doing his best to preserve sensation and sexual function in the patients who have surgery. While the majority of the patients who received the surgery were minors, not all of them were. There are adults who choose to have this surgery, and there are advantages to preserving as much sensation as possible for those who make the choice.

As for the people who are upset about the follow ups, I think there needs to be a little clarification. These girls and women are not being penetrated, they are not being stimulated to climax. They are being touched in different areas and asked to report whether they can feel where they are being touched. The "vibrator" is a biothesiometer, which is a standard neurological medical device used in many different types of applications.

Now, I will say that I'm not a fan of this study. I don't understand why this kind of surgery can't wait until girls are old enough to make their own medical decisions. I do believe there is value in this study (for those who are old enough to give true informed consent), but I disagree with the methods (surgery on girls too young to consent). That said, I think that this has been blown out of proportion and that unfair and sensationalist generalizations have been made.
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There is enough going against women in this society who have any genitalia that isn't exactly like a porn star's. http://dodsonandross.com/blogs/betty...perfect-vagina
Now THIS makes me angry.
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This is shocking and extremely sad

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