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 Democracy can not work unless the people are willing to take part in it and stand up for their rights.

I just started a thread on N&CE too. Maybe we can post relevant links to articles and literature there?

You're so right about democracy being a work in progress. Can you post a link to your new thread here?
 

 

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There's a General Strike planned for Oakland today. According to Democracy Now, "Protesters in Oakland, California, are launching a citywide general strike today that will include an attempt to shut down the nation’s fifth-busiest shipping port."

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 I really want to attend, but I have not had the time, ability or resources to get down there. I live just outside of Philadelphia. Occupy Philly is pretty big and has enjoyed a mostly peaceful movement. There have been bumps here and there, but the Mayor originally encouraged the occupiers and welcomed them. Philadelphia is largely union so there has been a lot of support in that regard.

 

 I would definitely take my children (5 years and 11 weeks) with me. Occupy Philadelphia has been pretty family-friendly so far. My son accompanied me to a  few protests at local hospitals (regarding the right for women to have empowered births - originally stemming from the firing of a midwife from one of the hospitals) 2 years ago. Keeping safety in mind, I think it's important for them to see this in action. It's a powerful lesson. I'm the daughter of a Vietnam Veteran who came home from the war and immediately marched on Washington, handcuffing himself to the fence outside the White House. I grew up listening to his stories. When I was 11 or 12 years old, my brother - now in Heaven - was arrested several times out West for chaining himself to trees and participating in other protests. Activism is important in my family. I also attended Catholic grade school and High School where they continually emphasized social justice.

 

 The media coverage is distressing. Many television news reports will air stories about the movement and they will act as if they are trying to remain neutral, but they always get some sort of dig at the end of the report. The familiar tag line is to mention how much the movement costs the city. The dominant talk radio station in my town is primarily conservative and the show hosts have not been congenial towards the occupiers. Often, they resort to name-calling and dismissive statements ("just a bunch of hippies whining because they want hand-outs). The same goes for our suburban newspapers. The general consensus among many in my town is that this is a failed movement full of drum-beating hippies who are jealous of millionaires and want to take money away from everyone. I should mention I live in a fairly affluent and conservative pocket where the wealth disparity is substantial. You have million dollar houses 50 yards away from apartments where many residents live in poverty. Many people in my area are not supportive of the movement.

 

 We were in Massachusetts last week and what I heard on the radio was distressing, to say the least. One radio show host - I believe his name is Michael Graham - was saying that he wished the OWS protesters would piss the cops off enough so that the cops would "have no other choice than to use deadly force." Then he said, "once you kill one of them, you have to kill all of them." He had caller after caller after caller commenting on violent ways to "remedy" the movement. Another radio show host, I forget his name, said he was hoping and praying that an incoming Nor'Easter would wash all  the protesters away and that any who remained would freeze to death in the snow storms. Again, more callers with comments supporting harm to the protesters. Besides the violence, I noticed these talk show folks would refer to the protesters as "barbarians," "scum," "filth," "losers" etc. etc. It was so sad...because THIS is what people focus on. They hear all these media folks referring to us as barbarians. They listen to lies about violence, rapes or drugs and the focus on the few bad apples out of the whole movement. All of this inflammatory language against the movement is dangerous.

 

 I do what I can since I have not been able to attend an actual event or visit a site. I speak about it on my Facebook page and I correct any misinformation that my friend's post. I challenge anyone who posts such things to back up their "facts" and then I lead them to websites, articles and blogs to hopefully enlighten them. I'm going to start printing and passing out fliers for events in my area as they arise. I'm doing what I can. I'm certainly not a loser without a life. I'm a mom of two. I am college educated. I hold a license in my field. My job doesn't pay very much. I work in a field where being licensed is important, but anyone can get my job without a license and get paid half of what I do. The state won't regulate much, especially now with our new Republican governor. His only focus is drilling for gas and cutting government services. I've worked since I was a teenager. I do have student loan debt. My loans would have all been paid for twice over if not for the exorbitant interest rates. My husband recently lost his job of 6 years. With it, we lost our Dental insurance, which is very much needed in our family. I work very, very part time and am currently on maternity leave from work with no guarantee that my job is waiting for me. My employer has been making a lot of cuts. We don't have health insurance and I have tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills. I'm supposed to see a cardiologist once a year, but I don't because we can't afford it. My husband just broke his toe and we didn't seek treatment. We taped it up and hope for the best. I have a bad esophageal condition that needs attention, but we can't do anything about it at the moment. When my husband was employed he was unable to get health insurance. In order to get the most basic plan with a very high deductable he would have had 88% of his paycheck deducted. It was impossible. My kids do have CHIP, a fact that I'm not apologetic for in the least. We're not losers looking for hand outs at all. We're pissed off at injustice. My husband's company is worth billions of dollars, yet many employees are in poverty. My former job paid very little, yet the owner would take a three week vacation to go sailing with his family - that's in addition to the "mini" vacations they'd take throughout the year. It's a shame when parents have to chose between basic utilities and food. It's a shame when people have to ignore health problems because they can't afford a simple visit to the doctor. No one is asking to be served the world on a gilded plate. We're simply asking for some justice.

 

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The media skewing the message is so frustrating to me too, MrsMike. A frequent comment from detractors as they pass by occupations is "get a job!" What? What job??? That's a huge part of the point. Jobs are scarce and it's primarily because of the inequities in our economic system. The media is really supporting this misrepresentation of the "lazy, dirty, greedy" nature of the protesters.

Anyway, Peggy asked for me to link the thread I started on N&CE, so here it is: Occupy Wall Street. It's not getting any love, but neither is N&CE in general. We should start posting there more often smile.gif


Lots going on in Chicago this weekend, including a family event, some events in outlying neighborhoods, and several teach-ins with really interesting topics. I'm going to spend a bunch of time there, although I'm bummed that I can't bring my kids to the family day, since they will be with their dad.


And for anyone who doesn't already know, today is "Bank Transfer Day". There is a push to move your money from big banks to credit unions or small local banks.

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I'm horrified by what happened in Oakland. :( jaw.gif      horrors.gif    Cuss.gif


 

I'm horrified too, horrified at the the people that were breaking windows, defacing property, taking over buildings, starting fires and causing rampant destruction. 

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Can you link some news articles about that part of it. I tried googling it but kept coming up with articles about the vetran with the damaged spleen, but nothing about rioting.


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The vandalism on Wednesday was done by the Black Bloc presence in Oakland. It looks like their numbers were around 30 to 50 in a group of around 10,000. The Black Bloc is known for creating chaos at demonstrations and is associated with Anarchists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz22OvY6FTY&feature=related You can clearly hear the other protesters begging for these actions to be stopped.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5RyEp_eFa4
It's claimed that the fires you see burning here were started to clear out the tear gas used by the OPD.


As far as I know the buildings that were occupied were foreclosed properties that having been sitting vacant for months. I didn't find any documentation of this on Nov. 2, but I remember reading a bit about it happening. I'm in full support of occupying foreclosed and vacant property as a peaceful protest method, because the fraudulent practices that created the mortgage crisis are an excellent symbol of the wider corruption in our system. I disagree with anything bordering on violence, such as breaking windows, etc, but I am incredulous that anyone would focus on damage done to inanimate objects over violence perpetrated by police on peaceful protesters. It's not really surprising that the Black Bloc got so much attention though. That's their intention in using such radical measures.
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sources please... and more than one.  Thank you. 

 

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I'm horrified too, horrified at the the people that were breaking windows, defacing property, taking over buildings, starting fires and causing rampant destruction. 



 

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You know Mrs. Mike, the more outrageous and strident the anti- protest denunciations, the more I think "Methinks they doth protest to much." The cause of the rising hysteria is the fact that the conservatives no longer control the national conversation. Thus the Occupiers have already succeeded.

 

I went down to see Occupy DC and had a lovely afternoon. I'm totally impressed with their kitchen and library -- they feed anyone who comes. Anyone.  

 

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The familiar tag line is to mention how much the movement costs the city.

 

My response to this is that if they CHOOSE to spend money on the protesters that is their decision but they are wasting a lot of money because they do not have to spend any money on the protesters. The protesters are overwhelmingly peaceful and have caused no harm; quite the reverse, they are feeding the hungry which is more than many of the municipalities are doing.

 

 

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Yes, Arduinna, I'd like your source for the claim of rampant destruction as well. There were a few people who caused destruction but they do not represent the movement. That would be like saying that people who blow up abortion clinics and murder physicians represent the entire pro-life movement.  The Occupiers themselves have condemned the destruction and plan to do everything they can to remain nonviolent. 

 

I'm excited by the Occupiers and hope to get down for Black Friday.  

 

Re: N&CE -- that used to be a really lively forum but then Mothering changed the rules re: who could post and the forum shrunk to a mere shadow of it's former self.  

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Who said they represent the movement as a whole? I didn't say that. I was still appalled at the video I saw on the news. And sorry I was busy today at church and haven't allocated the time to search for online sources for you all. Looks like someone already posted something anyway. 

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You don't get off that easy.  Please educate us.

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Who said they represent the movement as a whole? I didn't say that. I was still appalled at the video I saw on the news. And sorry I was busy today at church and haven't allocated the time to search for online sources for you all. Looks like someone already posted something anyway. 



 

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You're correct Arduinna, You did not say they were representative of the whole movement. I agree that the video was horrifying. I trust that you are equally horrified that the police attacked sleeping protesters with batons and teargas and that they have pepper-sprayed peaceful protesters in the face. To me that is incredibly horrifying. 

 

The primary question is this: in the United States of America, where everyone lives under the conditions of The Constitution, are The People allowed the assemble and protest peacefully or not? My understanding of the First Amendment is that the answer is Yes. If so then there is no reason whatsoever for the police to continually feel they must "control" the Occupiers. The Occupiers are more than willing, in fact they are eager, to befriend the police. In some cities they have a perfectly friendly relationship with the protesters. 

 

For anyone who wants to know anything about the Occupy Movement, there is plenty of information available. One of the characteristics of this movement is their openness. They have nothing to hide and they post everything. Go to any of the websites and you'll get all the info you want. 

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I have chosen to leave the posts above discussing the possible irresposible behavior of OWS protestors.  Please remember, though, that this thread is located in Activism and is SUPPORT ONLY.  While you can be supportive of a movement and still questions components of it, please keep this a thread about positive OWS support.

 

If you would like to discuss the behavior of OWS protestors you can either start a thread in News & Current Events or a different thread in Activism.

 

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If y'all want to argue, my thread in N&CE is waiting: http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1334730/occupy-wall-street#post_16726483


Meanwhile, today in Chicago the occupation joined a group of senior citizens to protest social security and medicare cuts. The protesters decided to block traffic to make their point, so approximately 47 people were arrested, mostly senior citizens. WTF!!!

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Who's arguing? I would have have thought that everyone at MDC would be against violent protest and violent acts against lawful peaceful protests regardless of the group.

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I really, really wish I could be there to support the movement. Our group here that is occupying 24/7 is very small, just a handful of people. I am literally worn out from just living life though and can not even fathom adding one more thing to my plate. I appreciate all those that are out there braving the weather, the opposition, and just standing up for what is right and just.


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have you donated?

 

many groups need items not to mention a simple drop off of food is always needed, making copies of papers are also a big plus---doesn't mean you need to be there to be there

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of course we all are.  But with everything there just could be some bad and that does not color the whole purpose of the movement.  The Tea party for example had a few altercations but you know what?  They were out there and voicing their concerns.  That is exactly how I saw it.  And I"m glad both movements have taken place.  These are every day people who want more for their lives than the Government and big business is allowing.  Not providing, ALLOWING!  When they're more concerned about their bankroll we need to be more concerned about our people and that means coming here to offer support for those who are on the ground, donating and speaking up.  Again, both movements have had an impact and for that we should all be grateful!
 

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Great idea!! I have no idea why I didn't think of that. I can totally drop off some food or something. Thanks!!
 

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I think it had more to do with the way you brought it up, it was not about support (which was why this thread was started), and it was done in a snarky way. That is what I took from it, and seems like others did too?

 

 


The way I brought it up? Someone posted a general statement of being horrified without any qualifier as to what they were horrified about and I commented that I was horrified to and said why. Regardless some of us realize that "support" does not mean that one has to agree with every action and decision of any group. You've never disagreed with the actions of an elected official you voted for or for the actions of a group member you belong to? I find that hard to believe, and if it's true I say that people need to learn some perspective and step away from polemicism. 

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Arduinna and mamamoo--- that aspect of your conversation needs to go to PM if you want to have it.  This thread is for SUPPORT ONLY of the OWS.


 

 

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Sorry, I thought I was trying to do that. Off to edit/delete. :)

 


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I just finished reading the book Freedom Summer about the summer of 1964 and the Civil Rights Movement. It's amazing to see how many things today are parallel to that struggle. Even for something that we now take for granted, like civil rights, in the beginning people who marched, protested, and organized about it were called communists, un-american, dirty hippies, etc. 

 

It is characteristic of any struggle for human rights, whether it be civil rights, voting rights, women's right to vote, the minimum wage, or in this case social and financial equality, that there be violent reaction against it and that some among it will be violent. One of the organizing groups of the Civil Rights Movement gave up non-violence out of frustration. Some will do that today. With this many people speaking out, some will go too far. But, they do not and never will represent the majority. 

 

This should not distract from our discussion of the heart of these occupations. It breaks my heart to hear some of your stories of struggling financially when you have done everything right. I would love to hear us talk about solutions. One thing we lack as a culture right now is a positive and possible view of the future. What does a positive future look like? What kind of future do we want? How will we create it?

 

One idea I can share is to start a website called Direct Democracy. I think we have outgrown Representational Democracy. The internet makes it obsolete. I would see this website being a shadow website of Congress, voting on all the legislation in Congress, writing new legislation and voting on it. Being a parallel government in a symbolic way. This would show more clearly what the people want. We could figure out secure places to vote online. Make ATMS places to vote. Open up voting, like on the TV shows, but secure.

 

Or, should we just do more recalls?

 

I've recently heard good news about several communities: Boulder has just passed a measure to do a feasibility study on solar energy for the city. What about neighborhood electric co-ops run on solar? Portland is picking up people's compost once a week and putting it in one big pile that people can use. And, Chicago has replanted their citywide flowerbeds with vegetables. 

 

What can we each do in our own lives? What can we all do together? 

 

What the Occupy movement has are General Assemblies where people bring ideas to be debated and discussed. Let's have a General Assembly here.

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I just finished reading the book Freedom Summer about the summer of 1964 and the Civil Rights Movement. It's amazing to see how many things today are parallel to that struggle. Even for something that we now take for granted, like civil rights, in the beginning people who marched, protested, and organized about it were called communists, un-american, dirty hippies, etc. 

 

It is characteristic of any struggle for human rights, whether it be civil rights, voting rights, women's right to vote, the minimum wage, or in this case social and financial equality, that there be violent reaction against it and that some among it will be violent. One of the organizing groups of the Civil Rights Movement gave up non-violence out of frustration. Some will do that today. With this many people speaking out, some will go too far. But, they do not and never will represent the majority. 

 

This should not distract from our discussion of the heart of these occupations. It breaks my heart to hear some of your stories of struggling financially when you have done everything right. I would love to hear us talk about solutions. One thing we lack as a culture right now is a positive and possible view of the future. What does a positive future look like? What kind of future do we want? How will we create it?

 

One idea I can share is to start a website called Direct Democracy. I think we have outgrown Representational Democracy. The internet makes it obsolete. I would see this website being a shadow website of Congress, voting on all the legislation in Congress, writing new legislation and voting on it. Being a parallel government in a symbolic way. This would show more clearly what the people want. We could figure out secure places to vote online. Make ATMS places to vote. Open up voting, like on the TV shows, but secure.

 

Or, should we just do more recalls?

 

I've recently heard good news about several communities: Boulder has just passed a measure to do a feasibility study on solar energy for the city. What about neighborhood electric co-ops run on solar? Portland is picking up people's compost once a week and putting it in one big pile that people can use. And, Chicago has replanted their citywide flowerbeds with vegetables. 

 

What can we each do in our own lives? What can we all do together? 

 

What the Occupy movement has are General Assemblies where people bring ideas to be debated and discussed. Let's have a General Assembly here.


I LOVE these ideas, Peggy! My kids and I went to our first OWS event last night, and I am so glad we did...I have been watching from the sidelines(facebook, basically) since the beginning and have been so full of desire to join them or do SOMEthing, because I completely back this movement, but haven't really known what to do because I'm a SAHM with a 5 and 2 year old, and as someone said above, my plate is so overwhelmingly full already: my husband works a LOT and it is just me and the kids 80% of the time....we have also been really struggling financially the last few months, so even bringing food to Occupy right now is difficult to do, because that food could be leftovers for my family, but I will do whatever I can. The kids and I went last night and marched with them, and I even ran into a mama I know :), and it was a great experience, though we had to cut it short b/c it was getting late and we had to go grab dinner.

One thing, off the top of my head that I think we can do together...I would like to see more moms helping each other, being there for each other. I am alone with my kids so much, and I feel like I am just so completely exhausted, physically but mostly emotionally. I don't feel like we were meant to do this alone, but that is how I feel, a lot. I've already told my husband that the next move we make, has got to be to an Intentional Community, because I want to be somewhere where it's an accepted concept that we are a big family and we help each other out...similar ideals help, of course, which is part of the problem in the area where I live(read: I stick out like a sore thumb). ;) There is a common thread that unites us all, and that is love and mothering. Easy to forget in our everyday encounters, but I wish we could all come back to that basic concept and support each other.

More ideas later... ..


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Also, one thing that we can do as a group(and from afar), is petition food companies to label their foods that contain GMOs...that is one of my personal pet peeves, that I have no idea what is in some of the foods I feed my children....we should not have to question what's in our vegetables, for crying out loud! And of course, the next step would be to boycott those companies that refused to comply with honest labeling.

I also wouldn't mind seeing all soy derivatives being taken out of foods....there is a lot of controversy surrounding whether soy in and of itself is good for us, but these days almost all soy is GMO, so that takes the question right out of it. There are plenty of other oils that can be used in place of soybean oil, yet it is still used rampantly. Also, it would be great to see all MSG labeled as "MSG", not the 12 other aliases it has...while we're at it, lets just get rid of that nonsense altogether. yummy.gif Make food safe across the board, as much as possible.


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Peggy, I totally agree with you about moving to direct democracy as a crucial step. That's one of the best things about OWS - it is a direct democracy.

I think that the most important thing we can do right now as individuals is to buy as little mass produced goods as possible. Make your own, buy from small local producers, or go without.

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we have also been really struggling financially the last few months, so even bringing food to Occupy right now is difficult to do, because that food could be leftovers for my family, 

 

 

bring water! even in an old jug for hand washing - offer to take back things that need washing

 

a thermos full of tea or coffee is always appreciated!!! or ice if you are in a hot area 

we do bring lots of snack food (besides other items) - popcorn is cheap and easy 

 

can you make copies?

have extra items that they might need? just ask

 

main thing in our area is to spread the word- letters to the editor of your local papers are FREE!

 

 

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