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Thought it couldn't get any weirder?

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Lacey's pharmacist and Kelley's doctors are among hundreds, perhaps thousands, of physicians and pharmacists who now adhere to a controversial belief that birth control pills and other forms of hormonal contraception--including the skin patch, the vaginal ring, and progesterone injections--cause tens of thousands of "silent" abortions every year. Consequently, they are refusing to prescribe or dispense them.
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how is that even legal? where's the aclu? that's crap. i hope they all get hives.

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no way that can be legal!!! next come chastity belts- argh
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I don't know about the legalities of it, but it seems to me that it would be within the doctor's rights to avoid doing something that he or she feels is unethical. If the doctor believes abortion is murder and birth control causes abortion, then I would hope that they would stand up for those beliefs. The patients that choose to use birth control can go to another doctor to get their prescription, since these doctors and pharmacists are in the minority.

It's definitely weird though.
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What's the big deal if Doctor chooses not to offer a sepecific service? Don't you want doctors to be discerning in what they do ("no, I will not perform an elective c-section on you at 38 weeks so that you can be healed enough from the birth to keep the vacation plans you made with your friends last year" or "no, I will not give you ritalin for your 5 yr. old just because all your friends say he should be on it") I have swiched doctors SO many times because I did not agree with the kind of care they gave. Not all doctors are all things to all patients. You have to find the doctor that is right for you. Don't you? There could really be a problem and i am not understanding it... Is there really a legal standard of what the dr. has to give you a prescription for, when? Why not just have all bc be otc, then?

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You have your rights and the doctor has her rights.

Would you want someone to be compelled to do something he felt was killing?

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OK. So, now what are all those people who claim to be pro-life but in favor of birth control going to say?

Perhaps they should define exactly what they regard as birth control.

Considering the large number of people I have know who regard "pulling-out" as a sin because it is "spilling the seed on the ground", or the sin of Onan, I suspect that the larger part of the pro-lifers are also against birth control.
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I am prolife but am in favor of *conception* control (I am not personally in favor of things that stop a life after conception.)

People are allowed to follow their consciences as long as they don't impede the rights of others.

Doctors included.

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That's a fantastic article!! Thank you for sharing it.

I had no idea of the scale. I did go to a walk-in clinic years ago with which I was unfamiliar, for a contraception-related reason - before seeing the doctor you were required to read and sign papers indicating that all of the doctors practiced from a pro-life perspective. I was really taken aback - especially since I had unwittingly been referred there by the office of a doctor who had been instrumental in reproductive rights and setting up the local birth control clinic! I ended up leaving before seeing anyone. At least in that case, they were responsible enough to put their beliefs up front instead of just lying in wait for some unsuspecting female patient.

In theory, I don't have a problem with medical practitioners integrating their personal ethics into their professional decision-making. The problem is, though, what happens when these ideas spread? What would have happened if it was a small town and I couldn't just leave and go to another clinic? That's a scary thought.
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What bothers me is these "ethics" seem to only affect women, and our right to decide when and when NOT to give birth. I don't hear about them denying viagra to men, or refusing vasectomies.

I see this as a war against women, honestly, not people adhering to their ethics.
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I see your point, sunshine, but I think the difference is that vasectomies and viagra don't have any chance of harming an embryo, whereas the doctors in the article believe that certain forms of birth control do harm embryos.

This probably won't be a popular opinion, but society has stacked the deck against women once again. We are told that we can have sex with whoever we want, whenever we want, but ultimately, we are the ones that bear the brunt of the consequences if a child is conceived. The only surefire way to decide not to give birth is to not have sex. Regardless of what doctors and pharmacists do, they can't force us to get pregnant and give birth if we don't want to. We will always have that power, except in cases of rape.

I don't mean to advocate abstinence and sexual repression of women, but sexually active women know that the "risk" of conception is always there. Like it or not, biologically, the responsibility rests with us, not doctors, not pharmacists, not even the men we sleep with. It shouldn't be that way, but it is.

Sorry if this is confusing...I'm still sorting out my thoughts on this.
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I am more bothered that more drs. don't tell women that their choice of birth control may not allow a fertilized egg to implant. It is an informed consent issue for me.

slightly OT-while many people feel that Onan's sin was spilling his seed, his actual sin was failing to perform the brother in law marriage that was required by the law. If I recall correctly, anyway.

I don't believe should be required to perform services that they find personally unethical.

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Nurturing mama, yes i see what you're saying.

On that same topic, look around you. Look at the media, look at a lot of men's attitudes about women. Women are and should be sexually available at all times. How many women HERE have said that they think they should be availabe to their husbands whenever he desires?

I don't think you can have it both ways. If women are required to be sexually available then women should have any and all means of contraception available to us.

I'm wondering ..... birth control has always been an issue with the catholic church. Now it seems to be becoming an issue with more and more people. I still think it's more a backlash against women than a religious issue with a lot of people. I'm fortunate to live in a city big enough that I will always be able to find BC. Not all women are so lucky, and I will always fight for their rights to have control of their own fertility.
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I think it is great when Dr.s refuse to provide services that go against their ethics. If only more did so- in regards to circ., dispensing certain drugs to children, and in regards to BC as well.

FTR there are Dr.s who refuse to do vasectomies as well.

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Didn't read the article but just wanted to say - if you don't want birth control that may or may not cause a fertilized egg to implant to be given to women - then you had better be ok with more abortions. I consider myself "prolife" but maybe I'm not. I don't know. I just don't believe that "prolife" people can sit and yap about how "we need to stop abortions" but then not support birth control options that are there for women. Can't talk about women being irresponsible and not keeping their legs closed if dr.s/prolifers/whoever withhold birth control.
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Yeah, I've known Dr.s (Catholic) who would not perfrom Vasectomies.

I support a Dr.'s right to not to any procedure he finds personally or morally abhorrent.

" if you don't want birth control that may or may not cause a fertilized egg to implant to be given to women - then you had better be ok with more abortions. "

This may or may not be true, because you don't know that. Women who go to the pharmacy to get birth control would probably either go to another pharmacy or delay sex until they could get the BC elsewhere, like online. And in addition, these Dr.s see hormonal BC AS a form of abortion, so telling them that denying BC will increase abortion doesn't make sense.

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I think that if a person feels they cannot provide the range of medical care associated with a particular medical specialty, they should find another job.
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I think that if a person feels they cannot provide the range of medical care associated with a particular medical specialty, they should find another job.
Would the same be true for a pediatrician who doesn't want to vaccinate, or circumcize? How about an OB who doesn't want to perform elective c-sections? Our old pediatrician felt ritalin was an extremely dangerous drug for children and refused to prescribe it, was he wrong?

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all this does is force one's SUBJECTIVE morality and convictions on others.


oh, the state of humanity
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I agree that doctors should have the right to practice according to their own personal ethics, just as I should have the right to refuse their services and treat myself. So if physicians aren't legally required to prescribe birth control pills on request, I should be able to go buy them myself. Otherwise there is an imbalance of power.
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People are allowed to follow their consciences as long as they don't impede the rights of others.
And impeding the rights of others is Exactly what a pharmacist refusing to fill a legal prescription for bc pills is doing.

As the article I read about this issue points out, those pills are medication for more than just birth control. Never mind that the potential abortifacient effect has NOT been proven, these pharmacists and doctors are imposing their own beliefs onto others who don't share them based on SPECULATION. That's not ethics in my book!

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Lacey's pharmacist and Kelley's doctors are among hundreds, perhaps thousands, of physicians and pharmacists who now adhere to a controversial belief that birth control pills and other forms of hormonal contraception--including the skin patch, the vaginal ring, and progesterone injections--cause tens of thousands of "silent" abortions every year. Consequently, they are refusing to prescribe or dispense them.

About time.
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momto l&a, what do you propose women do? refuse sex, always and forever, unless the intent is to get pregnant? That doesn't sound doable or fun.

So where is the research to control mens fertility? Let's make this their problem then, let's stop those little sperm BEFORE they can fertilize the egg. that seems to be where the problem lies for so many of you.
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I choose not to use birth control that may cause a fertilized egg not to implant for my own personal reasons.

There ARE other forms of birth control.

I am also not just upset that Dr.s don't tell patients about this aspect of hormonal birth control (again the informed consent issue). I also wish they would let patients know about the health risks associated with hromonal birth control (not just the little pamphlet with the tiny print.)

My grandfather was a D.O. that did homebirths and tried to convince mom's not to circ. Some wanted circ anyway, no matter what he said. He performed the circs. I don't think he should have. What if he refused and was forced to because the majority felt that it was the healthiest thing to do?

Why aren't bc pills available OTC? Does anyone know?

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I wanted to add,

Since women in the U.S. are able to obtain abortions, shouldn't Dr.s have the right not to perform them or prescribe drugs that they find unethical?

Is it more important that a woman can obtain hormonal bc from ANY Dr. or that a Dr. has the right to abstain from certain services if they bother his conscience?

The pill is legal in the U.S. Most dr.s aren't going to stop prescribing.

If Dr.'s are forced to do things they find unethical, aren't their freedoms being infringed upon?

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what good are rights without access? If my hmo-assigned ob/gyn dr. won't perscribe my birth control of choice, and/or my local pharmacist won't fill said birth control option, what good are my rights? Yes, abortion is legal (still, yet being chipped away every single day), but in fully 80% of counties in America, it is not available.

when oh when oh when will the anti-choicer's unite to help PREVENT unwanted pregnancies in the first place? By some other means than women crossing their legs, please.
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I was under the impression (from reading package inserts and such) that it is the lower dosage birth control where conception can occur, not all hormonal birth control. That the "regular" strength pills prevented ovulation, but the lower dosage ones prevented pregnancy by preventing ovulation and/or implantation. The package inserts for the lower dosage pills clearly states that you can concieve but not implant. That's also how IUD's work, by creating a "hostile" environment where implantation cannot occur.

I'm pro-choice but also for informed consent, I will not use b/c that allows conception.

I believe doctors have the right to prescribe or not prescribe.

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Do doctors have the right to decide not to treat alcoholics, or drug addicts, or smokers? Or gays and lesbians? Or ap parents? Doctors are not there to excercise their personal religious beliefs. They are there to provide healthcare to a broad group of people. If they are more concerned with exercising their personal beliefs than offerng me healthcare, they can join the clergy.
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