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What do you know about Disney? My instinct has always been to avoid, but I have no facts. I am soon to visit inlaws who are big disney fans. Movies, stuff, their resorts and cruises. Even have disney time share. Please share any info you have so I can feel even more smug. :LOL

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http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Disney.html

This site has some interesting information and several books to read about the Disney evil empire.
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you can look them up on www.responsibleshopper.org
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Disney is pretty evil, esp when it comes to sweat shops in China. I have also heard mixed things about their worker policies in the parks Maybe you could let the grandparents take you to Busch Gardens instead (if you are visting them in FL). I think BG is proably evil as well, just not on the same scale as Disney.

Although some things about Disney are cool. One yr someone my mother knows went to WDW, and there were *gasp* gay people having a party at Magic Kingdom. I think she is still boycotting them. I also love how the aritsts throw all kinds of weird drawings into the lame cartoon stuff. Like the story of how the word 'sex' might show up in the dust somehwere in Lion King. Ya gotta keep your sanity when you're working for the man.

EDT- I just checked out Staci's link, and there is a contiuning Boycott by some groups because Disney offers health care benefits to gay couples living together. I think the next time I go to WDW, will be the first time I can go without some sort of guilt. lol
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I am glad they are gay friendly but that could never warm my heart to a company that uses sweated labour in the developing world, especially when they pretend to be so child friendly. Sweated labour means human beings are treated in a degraded fashion, worked incredibly long hours for subsistence wages. It means children are growing up malnourished, and the workers may often work in dangerous conditions ie. chemicals being breathed in, form a trade union or join one in fear of their lives...etc.

It is always best to look at the whole picture.
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It always is good to look at the whole picture.
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Yeah. I mean, President Clinton blows the sax and led a gay friendly administration but that didn't stop him obliterating large parts of Kosovo, and Iraq with bombs, supporting sanctions against Iraq which are estimated to have helped starve to death over half a million Iraqi children etc. I didn't see any moves on his part to stop the use in Kosovo and Iraq of radioactive weaponry ie. bombs tipped with depleted uranium which evidently has led to hundreds and thousands of deformed babies, leukemias and so on and so forth in the local populations. He also brought in legislation that put time-limits on social security, which hurts the very poor.

No. I like to look at the whole picture.
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I don't like Disney's portrayal of women either (though we are big fans of original fairy tales, but that is another story).

An interesting comparison of female leads in stories is Pocahantus (sp?) and Mulan. Poca. was made in the limelight with many male cartoonists. Poca. looks like a Barbie doll while her friend looks like a more natural human woman. Mulan on the otherhand, was a little project run by a woman who kept it under the cover and out of sight of the powers that be for a long time. She insisted that Mulan have a natural body shape and that Mulan be a strong woman on her own. By the time the higher ups got wind of it, most of the cartooning was complete so Mulan was released with the project manager's vision and hence Mulan is about the only female character that looks like a real woman instead of a pneumatic sex toy.
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While Disney does pretty terrible portrayals of most fairy tales, Disney didn't invent the absent or dead parent. Long before there was Disney, there was Hans Christian Anderson (Little Mermaid-- which is actually a terribly, terribly sad tale, in general). Beauty and the Beast, originally an old French fairy tale about redemption and a little bit of sibling lust thrown in. Disney basically made it a love story with a character not related to beast, but it still is about redemption. Grimm Brothers -creators of childhood gore, basically. But check out the book The Uses of Enchantment for one person's take on the deeper aspects of fairy tales.

I have to say that Disney tends to 'pretty-up' these tales and I think that does a dis-service to the tales themselves, which are darker and deeper than Disney can handle.

The lack of parents in children's stories is basic to the plots, and not something Disney created. It's hard to have an adventure of any kind with a parent around. The Secret Garden, The Little Princess, 5 Children and It, Artemis Fowl, Harry Potter, Island of The Blue Dolphins, Matilda, Ella Enchanted, and I could go on and on and on, have parents who are dead or otherwise totally incapacitated. I believe that fairy tales are often manifestations of universal fears and desires.

I maintain that Disney only stole the ideas and did not create them.
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http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/films.asp

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ot, that snopes link was a good read!
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ugh. i'm old enough to remember when song of the south was released (or re-released) in theatres in the early '70's. what a racist piece of claptrap. and there was a scene - if i remember correctly - of a boy getting chased or gored by a bull. i got hysterical and mom had to take me out of the theatre. :

i'm glad it's not released to video.
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ot, that snopes link was a good read!
Oh sorry...I forgot my usual disclaimer that snopes is addictive and you can spend hours there...sorry.

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Fairy tales and Follk tales were never meant to be kept from children, specifically. Stories are a part of culture. In fact, childhood itself is a relatively new concept. Oral telling of tales is as old as the spoken word. And when the stories were told around the fire, the children were not shuttled off to bed in the west wing of the caves.

The Grimm brothers themselves didn't even make up the tales, they were stories they heard from the german people (mostly women) and they just wrote them down. Fairy tales are full of myth and lesson. A little bit real and lot about symbolism.
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My kids actually prefer the darker Grimm brothers' versions, but there is big difference between processing a story aurally (sp?) and processing a story visually. Stories you only hear can be made as scary as you want in your mind while visual stories can be overwhelming and scarier than you can handle. My kids have a lot of disdain for Disney cartoons that are based on Fairy Tales.

Disney movies they prefer are the old ones like That Darn Cat, Herbie the Love Bug, and the Apple Dumpling Gang.

One thing I really don't like about the Disney cartoon movies is all the merchandizing and massive marketing that come along with it. Ughh!
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Just have to put my two cents in...

The "snopes" website says that in The Little Mermaid the "erection" that everyone sees is actually the ministers knee under his tunic. I have that movie and my dh and I watched that part. I'm sorry, but that doesn't look like any knee to me!

I've heard rumors that Disney is affiliated with the pornography industries. Has anyone heard this? A friend of mine told this to me, but I haven't checked it out yet...

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I have a problem with the sadistic portrayal of the woman being tied up and gloated over in the older version of That Darn Cat. It's positively grimm and dark. Have you seen That Darn Cat recently? If thesubliminal Little Mermaid thing bothers you, I promise that you will be horrified at the scene I'm talking about. It's absolutely sick.
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I have a problem with the sadistic portrayal of the woman being tied up and gloated over in the older version of That Darn Cat. It's positively grimm and dark. Have you seen That Darn Cat recently? If thesubliminal Little Mermaid thing bothers you, I promise that you will be horrified at the scene I'm talking about. It's absolutely sick.
Sorry. Sometimes I lose my posts or forget to keep checking for other replies. I just read this today and have not seen That Darn Cat. I'm not sure exactly what the scene is, but just from your brief description, I know it's a movie I would never want to see or want my dc's to see!

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I have to agree that the Disney company represents a lot that is evil and wrong here in america. I will never buy my dd any disney themed toys or clothes, etc, but I do love the movies. Dd is watching bambi right now. It is a work of art. I especially love the ones that Walt made. They are truly lovely. I guess I try to separate the artistry of the old movies from the megacorporation that is today. I grew up near disney land and there is a lot of disney history in my family, but I will never take dd there, ever.


Here is an interesting website. I have not read it all but this thread got me googling and I will finish reading it later.

http://www.unpopculture.com/hoppo/evildisney.html

Later: Ok, I continued to do a bit of googling. There is tons out there. Do you know what falls under Disney corp? I was very surprised:

Disney media
The Walt Disney Studios distributes motion pictures under Walt Disney Pictures - which includes Walt Disney Feature Animation and DisneyToon Studios - Touchstone Pictures, Hollywood Pictures, Miramax Films and Dimension Films. Buena Vista International serves as the studio's international distribution arm. Buena Vista Home Entertainment and Buena Vista Home Entertainment International together distribute Disney and other film titles to the rental and sell-through home entertainment markets worldwide. Buena Vista Theatrical Productions is one of the largest producers of Broadway musicals, and the Buena Vista Music Group distributes original music and motion picture soundtracks under its four record labels: Walt Disney Records, Buena Vista Records, Hollywood Records and Lyric Street Records.

Disney Parks and Resorts
Walt Disney Parks and Resorts is where the magic lives and home to Disney's beloved characters. The segment traces its roots to 1952, when Walt Disney formed what is now known as Walt Disney Imagineering to build Disneyland in Anaheim, California. Today, Walt Disney Parks and Resorts operates or licenses 10 theme parks on three continents with an 11th park currently under construction in Hong Kong, along with 35 resort hotels, two luxury cruise ships and a wide variety of other entertainment offerings.

In 2003, seven of Disney's theme parks ranked among the top 10 most-visited worldwide, according to Amusement Business Magazine. The Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando, Florida, retains its long-standing title as the top vacation destination in the world; Disneyland Resort Paris is the number one tourist destination in Europe; and the Tokyo Disney Resort is the number one tourist destination in Asia.

In addition to theme park resorts in California, Florida, Tokyo and Paris, Parks and Resorts operates the Disney Cruise Line, which celebrated its fifth anniversary in 2003; the DisneyVacation Club, which is one of the most successful vacation ownership programs in the world; Disney Regional Entertainment, which runs eight ESPN Zone sports dining and entertainment locations; and Anaheim Sports, Inc., which oversees Disney's National Hockey League franchise, The Mighty Ducks.

Disney Consumer Products


Disney Consumer Products is one of the largest licensors in the world. It is divided into Disney Hardlines, Disney Softlines and Disney Toys. Disney Publishing is the world's number one children's publisher, with domestic imprints including Hyperion Books for Children, Disney Press and Disney Editions, as well as the number one children's magazine in the United States, Disney Adventures.

Other businesses under Disney Consumer Products are Buena Vista Games, bringing Disney content to the interactive gaming community; The Baby Einstein Company, which produces developmental media for infants; and the Disney Stores worldwide and Disney Direct Marketing, which includes DisneyStore.com and the Disney catalog.

Disney Media Networks
The Media Networks segment encompasses a vast array of properties on the television, cable, radio and Internet landscape. The ABC Television Network includes ABC Entertainment, ABC Daytime, ABC News, ABC Sports, ABC Kids and the Disney-owned production company Touchstone Television. ABC Owned Television Stations operates 10 stations in top markets across the country, ABC Radio owns 72 stations nationwide, and the company's expansive radio offerings include Radio Disney, ESPN Radio and ABC News Radio.

Media Networks incorporates a suite of cable networks, including ESPN, Disney Channel, ABC Family, Toon Disney, and SOAPnet. The segment also operates Walt Disney Television Animation and Fox Kids International, and holds the company's equity interest in Lifetime Entertainment Services, A&E Television Networks and E! Networks.


I think Disney is trying to take over the world!
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:LOL MY Dh's friend in Highschool is Poca : LOL Seriously though they used some of her facial features to draw up the Disney movie character..

I live in FLorida so its hard to avoid everything disney.. LOL We will go there eventually however i dont see a need in having disney movies and paraphenalia at home.. I believe we can leave it as a magical place there.. go every few yrs not every month.. relatives of mine are big disney fanactics

We recently went to sea world and though i wasnt fond of the whole beer brewing and how i hear about some of the animals though we still went..

I have to admit i wasnt so aware of the sweat shops and disney.. my sis is adopting her daughter from China and sis is a big disney fan.. will have to let her know : LOL
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As they say in Hollywood, "Don't muck with the mouse!"
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I think Disney is trying to take over the world!
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