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#1 of 98 Old 07-11-2006, 12:45 PM - Thread Starter
 
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So far the only ones I know of (I think) are:

Not good to their employees(could somebody please elaborate)

Not enviromentally friendly??

I know there must be a million more, someone help me out, TY

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WE've had a zillion threads on this - if only the search function were working (wait until after the server change!)

THIS should do it for you in the meantime!

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Thanks, I figured that. I do some looking around when the search engine works again

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How about they put locally run shops out of business. I reccomend the documentary Walmart: The High Cost of Low Price. It was very sad.

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I second the one from Jazzmin, they run local shops out of business. Our tiny town just lost 200+ manufacturing jobs due to China, and now, a few months later, we lost one of our two locally owned grocery stores, thanks to Walmart. Now we have another 30 people looking for work. Walmart tries to boost its image by telling you how many jobs they create, how they have such low prices, how they give so much to community. What they don't tell you is how many businesses have had to close because of them, the reasons they have such low prices is because they are screwing a farmer somewhere, and they really don't give back that much considering how much they make.

One final thought: Our four year old just learned the word Communist. Guess what? He heard it when my dh and I were talking about Walmart. That says it all.
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I'd love some unbiased information on this as well - I know of Walmartwatch or something like that, but any information I have all comes from biased places. I try not to shop at Walmart, but when you are trying to support a family but not spend any more time away from your son than necessary - it really saves a lot by getting some basics there. And I don't know that Target is any better, so why spend more to go there. I would need to know that my not shopping there is making one hell of a difference in order to spend the extra time and money going a hundred different places to get necessities. I'm certainly not a fan of Walmart, but I'm a huge fan of saving money.

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OK this is the single best reason not to shop at Walmart: THEY DON'T SAVE YOU MONEY.

On a trip there and to Target this past weekend:

Crayola crayons, 24 pack:
Walmart - $.25
Target - $.10

Notebooks, 70 page wide-rule craptastic quality:
Walmart - $.10
Target - $.05

SnoBowl toilet cleaner
Walmart - $2.45
Target - $.98 (NOT ON SALE...WTF?)

Scouring stick
Walmart - $2.48
Target - $1.98

Swimsuits, regular price stocked circular separates:
Walmart - $17/piece
Target - $15/piece

Average price I've paid for clearance clothing:
Walmart - $6/piece
Target - $4/piece

It comes down to....WHAT THE F.....

I was very, very surprised about that. I've avoided Walmart for a year just because I hate the FEEL of the store, but comparing item-for-item like that convinced me to never, everever go back. I had always assumed that Walmart saves you money, and I am sure that there are items that you can get cheaper at Walmart than you can at Target; they just aren't items that I buy. What it comes down to is that without exception, there is someplace cheaper than Walmart for anything I need. My grocery store sells baking soda in bulk for cheaper than Walmart's per-pound price. Sells toilet paper and paper towels cheaper too. I just don't get it. I'm all for shopping cheap, which is exactly why I'll continue to avoid Walmart.

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biased information about walmart, LOL

Like the judgement against them in the class action lawsuit for discrimination of their female employees?


The biased information about Walmart comes from Walmart itsself
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Walmart is a monopoly. I like the comparison between Target and Walmart, but how is Target any better otherwise? (just curious)
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Intresting info... I am going to research it some more, thanks everyone

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Walmart is a monopoly. I like the comparison between Target and Walmart, but how is Target any better otherwise? (just curious)
I don't know a whole ton about this, but there are several reasons that make me think Target is a ton better:

- they tend to anchor malls and support satellite shops, at least around here, rather than stocking the same products and running them down

- they provide ample worker benefits, including those to same-sex couples even in states where they don't have to

- the workers just SEEM happier

- the stores are cleaner, better organized, and better stocked

- the items carried are typically better quality, although you still have to pick and choose. Target also carries a quite-natural essential-oil fragranced laundry detergent that satisfies superstinky husband and supersensitive-skinned me, which will keep me going back every couple of months; bonus, yeah, the little tiny bottle lasts me several months

- they don't fart around with clearance - if it goes on clearance it gets cheaper until it's gone

- they don't engage in obvious rebuttal advertising campaigns (example - Walmart doesn't pay a working wage - commercial appears with employees saying how happy they are with their earnings)

- they don't engage in such obvious evil as going to the optometrist down the street, stocking all the same frames at 10% lower prices, and extending their open hours to half an hour before and after his.

- they don't broker deals whereby makers of clothing, etc, make lower-quality products for them. Walmart does this. A Hanes shirt you buy at Walmart may be made on the cheap the way it isn't anywhere else. This scares me.

- they don't post things like "customers are free to price compare but employees of other establishments who are found to be in Walmart for the purpose of price comparison will be charged with trespassing" :

There are tons more reasons why I am so much more pissed at Walmart than at Target. I know in many ways they are more of the same but honestly, I cannot afford mom-and-pop (I mean this seriously, I live below the poverty line and would much prefer to buy all our clothes at Hanna but it just isn't happening) and I feel comfortable with shopping at Target.

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WalMart is ruining the environment. It has huge factories in China, spewing pollution. China has one of the biggest pollution problems, uses loads of fossil fuel (the coal demand there is very high, so they are damaging the landscape to get it... just like years ago here in the US) and is the second biggest contributer to green house gasses. If WalMart would change even a little bit of the way they have things made, the impact would be huge and other companies would follow suit.

Where I live, WalMart has had a more personal effect. THere are big factories that closed when WM bought them; after the tax breaks ran out they closed and moved to (where else?) China. Hundreds of people were/are out of jobs. They got a law passed that says they can force a homeowner to sell "for progress" to build a WM after a farmer refused to sell his land to them. There is a huge WM going in down the road from us. We fought it, but the economy here is pretty bad since all the factories closed.

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A couple thoughts from a former corporate Target employee...

Target doesn't treat their employees any better than Walmart. They may have a better public image of doing so but the truth behind the scenes is not any different.

Target buys and imports from the same exact type (and sometimes the same exact company) of suppliers that Walmart does - just in a slightly smaller quantity. They also do the whole "you must meet this price or we won't buy from you" routine that Walmart does. They even do blind auctions where suppliers must blindly submit a quote for products. The lowest quote is selected. Seems a very unfair way to do business.

Environmentally Walmart does "Acres for America" where they've donated money to permanently preserve an acre of wildlife land for every acre currently developed and planned to be developed over the next 10 years.

I'm not defending either one - just saying that from the inside they aren't very different, Walmart's just bigger and Target stores look cleaner. And have no doubt that Target's goal is to be as big as Walmart.
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Walmart is a monopoly. I like the comparison between Target and Walmart, but how is Target any better otherwise? (just curious)
Well, in many respects, it is not any better. Starting wages are about the same, as well as benefit packages. Targets may look a bit better (but that is often not the case too), but are often more difficult to qualify for. Target has sweatshop connections, which is a huge strike for me (see my sig).

The CEO of WalMart is the highest paid CEO in retail, but guess who is #2.

Target is a bit better on the environmental and charitable side. They participate in the WasteWise program of the EPA, and they give a lot to the community.

So, you have to weigh what is important to you. I do shop at Target, I have choices of there, Walmart and Kmart for the things that I need to save on and they are the lesser of the evils. That does not mean that I buy everything there, or that I stick my head in the sand with their unethical practices, with the "I have no other choice but to shop there" cop-out. I understand that, but you can shop there out of necessity AND work for change too.

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Just FYI, this was discussed in the last issue of CAQ, which is where my information came from. They cite Responsible Shopper for theirs, if anyone wants to check.

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Walmart is a monopoly. I like the comparison between Target and Walmart, but how is Target any better otherwise? (just curious)
At least Target has cute things!
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I love Target. Just nobody tell me they're owned by Satan... : Also wishing I'd caught the .10 crayons at Target...

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I stopped shopping at Walmart in 1997 when they stopped stocking emergency contraception in their pharmacies as a company policy. As of March, they now ARE stocking it (at least for now; Massachussetts recently won a lawsuit forcing them to carry it) but the pharmacists have the option of refusing to fill a prescription. I'm not sure how I feel about that, I still don't shop there for the other reasons listed.
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Probably not what you want to hear but I have 3 reasons for shopping at Walmart

1. They will employ people that may not be able to get a job elsewhere - my uncle is 52 and mentally disabled and has been able to work at Walmart longer than any other job he has had.

2. Their formula comes in organic

3. They now have an organic clothing line.


but apart from that I will admit that their business practices make me want to scream.
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Hello everyone,

Compared to most of you on this message board, I am very new, and maybe I don't have the 'right' to post my views on this subject. However, this is a very sore spot to me, as I work for Wal-Mart.

I am an hourly associate. I have dental/health insurance, LTD, STD, and life insurance. I pay 78$ a month for it all, but it's worth it, and cheap as far as insurance goes.

I have a GOOD salary! NO ONE in my store makes less than 8.00 an hour. Including the retired door greeters, and 16 year old cart pushers. And you know what? I am in MICHIGAN. The economy here is the second worst in the United States, with an unemployment rate the highest. I think people better be happy with 8.00 an hour, or get out of the state! Take my brother for example...he will NOT settle for going out in the world and getting an 8.00 an hour job. He'd rather sit at home and collect unemployment because "I am not working for less than 12.00 an hour." And like I said, he sits at home, collecting unemployment, as does his wife and two children, while they are PERFECTLY able to go get jobs for 8 dollars an hour. That is pathetic. $8.00 an hour? It's better than nothing.

I LOVE my job. In May of 2005 I applied at a new store that was to be opened in June of 2005. I was hired in, and I walked into that store with nothing in the building. We put together all the shelves and risers, the cash registers, and put all of the product on the shelves (with their prices, ). We had parties in that store while there was nothing in there but empty shelving. We had 'meetings' three times a day where all we did was talk about stuff, and toss around a beach ball to kick back and have some fun!

It's been over a year now since we opened our store, yes, a few people have quit, but most of the people that walked in with me that day in May, are still there. Nearly 400 people. We are a FAMILY. When I started to feel ill May when I was pregnant with my first, all of the employees (including the assistant store manager! Who I later found out also had her daughter (weighing 15 ounces at birth) in the NICU my dd was in and had the same nurse for my baby's care provider!) told me to go to the hospital because they were scared for me and my child. (I was only 26 weeks) I am SO GLAD they were so caring and understanding, as I have a higher profile position within the company that only a few people can do, and I was the only one there that day. I delivered my baby just a few days later, and the support I got from Wal-Mart will forever be forgotten. Wal-Mart (this was the assistant store managers, and my fellow associates idea) gave me a baby shower, with hundreds of dollars of merchandise I otherwise couldn't afford. Especially since I wasn't prepared yet, as I thought I had a couple more months to go. Wal-Mart sent me flowers in the hospital, and still to this day I get cards from associates!

Wal-Mart on the CORPORATE level may be crookeder than all get out. (I don't know, and neither can you, because you have NO FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!) However Wal-Mart on a regional (store) level is something to be proud of. JUST MY STORE (store # 5411) has donated over $100,000 in just a years time to local charities. And the associates of my Wal-Mart have earned through various activities and fund-raisers over $50,000 to Childrens Miracle Network. For one store in my tiny town, it's really something neat. And I can promise you, the employees at my store are happy. Because is someone at our store isn't happy, it is our job to find out why they feel that way, and to resolve the issue.

As far as the cleanliness (I think this was also mentioned) and the way the store is, I'll admit, the old Wal-Mart stores are nothing to be proud of, with old white lanolium flooring that easily stains, and a poor lay-out (as far as I am concerned, anyway). They're outdated, plain and simple. However, the NEW stores are really neat, with a great lay-out, and finished-cement flooring. (Really, I enjoy it, I want that flooring in my next house!) I am talking about super-centers here...

On the subject of contraceptives, it isn't a nation-wide issue, as my store and several others in my region carry them. I am on maternity leave, but my good friend is a pharmacist at Wal-Mart, so I called her and asked why some don't. And her reply was? "Because they get stolen more times than what they are sold, so depending on where the store is located (aka the crime rate) it's just sometimes easier to not to keep them on hand." You can't blame stores for that. If you want condoms so bad, go to planned parenthood, you don't need to steal them.

Oh and if you haven't guessed, I am female. As are 80% of the people I work with at my store. We don't have discrimination there.

We DO NOT 'fart around on clearance'. If we want it gone, it will be gone. Simple as that. We put hundreds of items on ISR every week, however much of it is food products that will spoil after a certain amount of time, such as fresh bread, cakes, and deli meats. You don't have TIME to fart around clearing these products out, because of their short shelf-life. With these, you get one shot of putting them on ISR.

And yes we DO allow price comparison from Mejier, Target, ect. In fact, where I work, Meijer comes in at least 2x a week to "comp shop." No they don't wear their bright red shirts and name tags, but we know who they are. It's easy to spot. And we don't throw them out. And just the same, I go over to Meijer at least one time a week. (and I HAVE been asked to leave once by an hourly associate, until a manager came up to me and said I didn't need to leave, and understood what I was doing was "just business". I remember comp shopping for our produce department last year. We went back and forth with Meijers for a week, till sweet corn got down to 1 cent an ear. That is BELOW COST, we're not making any money by doing that, we're just trying to get customers to shop with us.

So please, you MAY have a bad experience at the Wal-Mart near you. But rest assured it's not like that everywhere.

And please, please, when you all say these mean things about the company I love, and work so hard at, it hurts my feelings, and makes me feel like where I work is the slum of the earth. It makes me feel ashamed that I work for Wal-Mart. It makes me feel like white trash. And nobody should make someone feel that way about themselves. No one deserves that.

Our cheer that the ASSOCIATES have written:

Who is Number 1? The Customer, Always
What store is Number 1? 5-4-1-1
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BethLS, there is no reason to get offended here. The mean old activists mommies (and daddies) saying WalMart is evil is not akin to saying your momma wears combat boots, or some other equally personal thing. I am glad you have a good experience there, it is nice to know that they do not use everyone of their employees as disposable minions.

That said, I know that a lot of us, and I know for myself inparticular, we have done tons and tons of homework on this. A little about myself; I "work" against anything that has practices that I am about to address. The reason that I put quote marks around work is because I spend anywhere from 15-40 hours a week doing Fair Trade, Economic Justice work on a volunteer basis. The reason that is important is that there is no one paying me to say what I am about to.

So, What research have you done into the company that does not come from HQ itself? I am not being snide there, this is a honest question. If there has not been any, perhaps you should, seriously. If you have, can you tell me what is ok with:

1. The company being the 8th largest trading partner of China? I can ASSURE you beyond even the tiniest sliver of a shadow of doubt that a vast majority of the goods that Walmart brings out of China are NOT NOT NOT Fairly Traded goods. Why does Walmart think that it is ok that America be able to get one more pair of buck-fifty flip flops while ther person that made those flip flops is barely able to feed their family? And further more, why does the person that bought those shoes think that it is ok?

2. Driving local business out of business? The people that built these little businesses are often seeing their DREAMS stomped on and then burned. These people worked HARD to have their hardware store, grocer, toy shop and then have Wal Mart come in like a Army tank and roll all over the place, with shady practices until the mom and pop shop has no choice but to surrender.

3. $8.00 and hour? Come on now.... that is less that 16, 000 a year!!! Think of the elderly people that work there to survive, and have all kinds of medical stuff to pay for every month to stay alive. Think about the mom that is raising her 3 kids on that. And who, really can afford insurance premiums, that is if they even qualify. So now we have mom of three who can't afford insurance, and only makes 1280 a month and that brings us to number.....

4. For every 200 employee store, it costs tax payers nearly HALF A MILLION in subsidies (welfare, state insurace, housing etc...), AND there are over 6000 store in the country!!! My gosh, how can that be ignored?

5. Not allowing their employees to organize? That is just LOW! If you have nothing to hide, are treating your people well, then show it! In your next staff meeting, I challenge you to seriously suggest unionizing. If you are not out of a job SOMEHOW with in a month, I will send you a Fairly Traded gift. No joke.

6. Operating with shady business practices? Shaving off overtime, not giving raises, masked discrimination, questionable charitiable contributions etc etc etc.....


Have you seen The High Cost of Low Price? I am only half way through but I am sure that they address most of these points, but other sources are Responsible Shopper, Coop America, Oxfam, TransFairUSA, the Fair Trade Federation, or the Fair Trade Resource Network. These groups are not anti-Walmart (specifically) groups, they are organizations that work against any business, or organization that has practices such as Wal-Mart.


I sincerly want to hear anything you have that is against any of this.
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I sincerly want to hear anything you have that is against any of this.
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I'm also very new to the boards, but I thought I'd mention this article from the NY Times Mag recently:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/ma...rssnyt&emc=rss

It's about how the negative impact Wal-Mart will (almost certainly) have on industry's definition of "organic" prolly outweighs the "positive" effects of Wal-mart offering organic lines.

"We have already seen what happens when the logic of the factory is applied to organic food production. The industrialization of organic agriculture, which Wal-Mart's involvement will only deepen, has already given us "organic feedlots" — two words that I never thought would find their way into the same clause. To supply the escalating demand for cheap organic milk, agribusiness companies are setting up 5,000-head dairies, often in the desert. These milking cows never touch a blade of grass..."

I know there're lots of factors to consider in whether or not to shop at a "cheaper" mass store, but the above is for me a big reason why I prefer to buy my more expensive produce at the co-op (yes, I spend a lot of money on food... sigh).
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Yes certainly I have done my research, and not on a HQ in Arkansas basis. I get ridicouled enough from people when they find out where I work, that I have to have myself backed up for cases like these.

Defense on Number 1.

Since Wal-Mart is number 1 largest retailer in America, I am honestly surprised at their ranking 'low' on the trading list in China. 8 is pretty low, considering their position in the US. One would assume they would have more invested there, perhaps even being the first highest.

YES I have no doubts that the workers in China (and perhaps other countries) are being paid the wages you speak of. BUT if they are so hard off, and unhappy, why do they stay there? Because they want to, have to, or choose to. People COME TO THEM for a job when they hear of someone hiring. Wal-Mart isn't "making" them work for them, even if it is indirectly. They don't need people in America fighting for their rights. If they want rights, THEY need to do the speeking up. I don't hear them whining, in fact I bet they're greatful to have a job period, especially with what has been going on as of late. If they hate it so much, why are they still there?

It is okay for me because it is business. Not personal. If I can go somewhere that sells something cheaper than the next place, you can bet I am going to the cheapest place. In these times, if I can save even the slightest amount, I will. I don't mean anything by it. It's okay to that worker in China (or elsewhere) because they're greatful to be employed at all, or else they wouldn't be doing it.

2nd Arguement.
Wal-Mart is around to make money. They can, and will. They companies that go out of business have my sympathy. But like I keep repeating, business is business. Does that mean that you buy "American" built cars, verses foriegn? Just because the workers in the factories over-seas aren't being paid as handsomly as the workers are, like GM? (even though, please don't get me into that arguement either, because the vast majority of GM employees make me sick!)

Do I feel sorry for the hamburger shack that used to be in town until McDonalds came to town? Nope, it's a new time, one must be realistic. (not that I particularly care for McD's, but using it as an example) I'll be danged I'd go to a burger shop and pay 10 dollars for a burger, when I could go to McDonalds for less than half of that. (again I can't stand McD's, just using it as an example.)

I have dreams too you know. But I am also realistic with them. Crap happens. When one door closes, another opens! I am not just saying that, but I myself have lived that exact example you are trying to use. Am I sour over it? No, because it's not the end!

3. The elderly also recieve SS, and are on medicare. My very own uncle, who is 74 years old, served in Vietnam, collects SS, is on Medicare, and works at Wal-Mart. (not mine however) He does it FOR FUN! He always says that if he wasn't doing something to occupy his time other than sitting in front of the tube, he would die. He chooses to work there purely for fun, not for money. He is not alone.

I know several elderly people that work as door greeters at my own store. They work there for fun! One lady is such a sweetheart, and works there because her husband passed away last year, and they always spent their time together. She's now lonely, and works so that she occupies her time, and isn't as lonely. (her words, not mine, Patsy and I are quite good friends)

8 dollars an hour isn't so bad! Minimum wage here is just over 5 dollars. What about the people that work at the fast food resteraunts? Not all of them at teenagers living with mommy and daddy. And I am not saying that all people make 8 dollars an hour. In fact, over 70% of people at my Wal-Mart make over 10$ an hour. You get paid more experience you hold in your position, it is called "steps". I'm sorry, but 10$ an hour aint bad money!

4. Don't get me started on taxes, because Michigan again is the highest taxed state in the US. (or at least was the last time I checked) I am more worried about the people on welfare that don't NEED to be on Welfare. (aka my brother and his wife) If people would stop being so lazy, get off their butts and work, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in, at least not as bad.

5. Not all stores are so evil! I would never consider being employed in a union. Never would I bring it up in my store because I don't believe in it. I was in a union once, at another chain grocery store. I was paid 5.15 an HOUR, with minimal (albiet free) health insurance. Do you call that fair? At that time I had no choice but to continue working there, but still, can you honestly tell me that is fair? Unions are not the catch-all. And besides, I don't need someone ELSE speaking up for me to get my point across. I can do that myself thanks

And GM is also a union and I can't stand the place. Here in Michigan, we call them "Oldsmobile Rejects."

6. Can't tell you about shady business practices. BUT I can tell you about overtime, raises, discrimination, charities, ect.

Overtime is not 'shaved off'. Heck I get several hours of overtime each week, as do most of the other employees there. Yes I will admit, we are asked not to get TOO MUCH overtime, especially during a slow period, but they certainly don't make us get rid of it, and it's always accounted for on my paycheck.

COMPANY POLICY is to give raises at 6 months and then yearly there on out. Raises consist of 40-55 cents, depending on your evaluation. You are garunteed a yearly 40 cent raise. Even if your e-val states you are being "unsatisfactory" you STILL get a 40 cent raise. I have a friend that works at the hospital my baby was born at. She gets a 15 cent raise every year, and only if her e-val is "exceeds expectations." Hmm? And I know for a fact what charities we give to, and how much because I am apart of the promotional and charitable crew. My figures on our donations are true for the year we've been in business.

Maybe, just maybe, your experiences where you live are accurate. And maybe, mine are accurate where I live.

Does that mean that you should have a vandetta against ALL Wal-Mart stores because of your experience?

I don't have a problem with you being angry at Corporate. I don't even have a problem with you being upset with your local Wal-Mart. However, you don't need to give them ALL a bad reputation, when I promise you, you would enjoy mine, the happy employees, the clean and quite neat store (mine even has a fireplace in the family lounge, where breastfeeding is encouraged!) even though you can't get past where the merchandise came from.

Let's just agree to disagree, and flame all you want to stores in your area. But the little store in Ionia, Michigan, is great to it's employees on and off the clock, and charities. I don't think they should have a bad reputation when they're truly good, even if others are not.

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: After reading this thread. Pretty much my simple mind has decided...

Walmart employees are nice.
Target employees are nice.
Giant corporations that suck the life out of local busineses and economy are evil!!!

We do our best not to shop at large stores, but can't seem to entirely avoid it:
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IT's just such a tough issue. It's the only local (close) store to us that sells more than old overpriced milk & plastic lawnchairs. So, yes, we go there about once/week. I do feel guilty supporting the corporation & what it represents. But, the prices are good for my family and it cuts an hour off my driving time in a big car with 5 kids.
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Im glad because I dont have to worry about milk. I get my from my bestest best buddy who owns a 400 head dairy farm. The cows live outside, but come in (in shifts) to be milked twice a day. It's actually pretty cool to see them all single file line up to get to the parlor. They're smart animals!

Mmmm whole unpasterurized, unhomogonized milk. Yum.
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Actually, I only saw organic baby formula. Since there are very few organic formulas (1 maybe 2) out there having a little competion for price is not a bad thing if you have to buy formula.

Also organic clothing in a retail store will make the idea a much more mainstream one and thereby encourage those who wouldn't normally "think" organic to maybe do more research. Which would you rather buy an organic t-shirt at Walmart or a non-organic one at the boutique down the street at 4x the price?

Also, in regards to the China connection. The cost of living in China is much lower than here in America. But it is rising BECAUSE of companies like Walmart and Target. The more companies that manufacture over there the better the competition for wages becomes over there. This unfortunately is bad for American workers but actually good for China in the long run. China is where America was 100 years ago. Lots of cheap, poor labor but look where that eventually got America.

My complaint with Walmart is what it does to small businesses. But unfortunately, that is becoming standard and it isn't Walmarts fault. Target, Home Depot, Lowes, grocery stores, even Whole Foods market (the co-op) are all contributing to this. The cost of running a business is not in the product but in the labor, taxes, and simple rent of space. These are things that small business have a hard time overcoming.
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