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#31 of 126 Old 08-06-2007, 02:05 AM
 
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Appears to be a very scary individual.

I also think that while we are getting closer, we will not see a non-mainstream Rep. or Dem. candidate have a real shot at the White House this election. The other groups candidates get a little closer each election, but we're not there yet. This absolutely does not mean we should not be working for it; I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

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OK, again, he has voted in ways consistent with specifically limiting the rights of gays and lesbians. He contradicts himself right and left.



The current policy does NOT deal only with "disruptive" "homosexual behavior". It kicks gays out of the military whether or not they have done anything remotely disruptive. We have lost a great number of linguists because of this policy.

Polls of actual service members have shown that they overwhelmingly have no problem at all serving with those who are openly gay. You cannot support liberty and also say that the current policy is a good one.



As for the marriage thing - if he's saying it's religious only then HE'S the one redefining marriage. I had myself a good ol' atheist casino marriage and it is just as valid in the eyes of the law as anyone else's. Marriage is a contract between two individuals conferring specific legal and property rights, which may have spiritual connotations as well. If he is suddenly saying it's a religious thing between a man and a woman, then he's the one redefining it AND deliberately excluding whole classes of people from a civil right.


And again - the only way gay marriages can be "hostile to liberty" is if your definition of "liberty" is "the freedom to discriminate against whomever you want without legal consequences".

Hum I'm starting to think I cant explain this anymore simply to you.

Religion defines marriage and its not the governments job to redefine it for them because well separation of church and state....

Marriage in the Governments term is really this in history:
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Hum I'm starting to think I cant explain this anymore simply to you.

Religion defines marriage and its not the governments job to redefine it for them because well separation of church and state....

Marriage in the Governments term is really this in history:
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Yes, I'm thinking likewise. It's been pointed out repeatedly that this man is racist and anti-gay and yet you are determined to defend him. Sorry, I have no interest in having someone like THAT as our president.

Again, marriage represents a LEGAL contract between two individuals. A LEGAL union conferring certain property and other rights. The religion bit is optional. Religion did not define my marriage or the thousands of other secular marriages in this country.
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Yes the the TERM marriage (not union ) is a religious term and should not be used by the government. All Unions should be that Unions first ( for government). 2nd with your prospective religion ( of your choice and definition ). Thats all its all about the word used.

to add if you want to change this term used you have to re write most religious texts....but thats not the government's job...

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k, go ahead and send that memo back to 200 years ago, because the government has been regulating marriage, INCLUDING atheist non-spiritual MARRIAGE, for a very long time. Not unions. Note that I do not have a civil union, I am married. If you want to up and decide that marriage is religious only, you are the one changing things.

Change most religious texts? Nope. No need. There are plenty of words that mean one thing when used legally and another when used in a particular religion. No need to change it at all.
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I think if you are opposed to the war, and want to see more social freedoms, such as everyone having the right to marry, then you should consider Kucinich.
Definitely. Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate I feel I can confidently place my vote with. I'm open to researching others, but no one else so far as been as good as him.

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I've only skimmed the other replies to the originalpost, but the more I learn about Ron Paul, the more I think he is what our country needs. And has needed for a long time. I have not read up on all his positions on all areas, but the ones I have read seem really right on. Him wanting to cut back government's power, getting our nose out of other countries where we shouldn't be, doing what he wants to do to our schools, including homeschooling, the changes to healthcare, are all right on in my opionion. He's got my vote, and my dh's, my brother's, my dad's, etc, etc.
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He's got my vote, and my dh's, my brother's, my dad's, etc, etc.



He's also got David Duke's vote, and the neoNazis at stormfront . com, and the White Supremacist vote, and the Holocaust Denier vote, and the various fascist organizations all over America's vote.


That directly contradicts the allegations of the title of this thread, BTW. The fascists in America have openly come out in support of Ron Paul.


So what is it about Ron Paul that the fascists love so?





It is clear that the rest of Ron Paul's supporters need to think about the goals of these fascist organizations and consider the reasons why fascists consider Ron Paul to be the right choice for their goals.








FWIW, if neoNazis support a candidate, I cannot ever support that candidate.




But hey, it's a free country, right?
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Ron Paul is extremely frightening. He's been nothing but frightening in Texas and I can't imagine he wouldn't be worse if he had national level power. I am really floored at how he seems to have people believing he's something positive and different.
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About the Ron Paul Report, here's what I hate: He was in charge of the Ron Paul Report, so the buck stops with him. Nothing would be published w/out his permission, so he gave the green light on creepy articles. That or he's grossly irresponsible with his own brainchild. So that alone tells me whether I want to vote for him. Furthermore, these neo-nazis are no longer the juvenile delinquents, they are organizing and attempting to gain an "intellectual" appearance. They may gain more power this way, so we have to look at who they endorse very carefully. Any candidate who does not vocally reject their endorsement (backing it up with actions such as turning down money, of course) must be looked on with suspicion. And here's the fact of it- if you are a liberal, don't vote for someone on the republican ticket.

The late term abortion story he has, of a live baby crying while being thrown in the trash.....horrifying...but is it true? If the baby is crying outside the womb, and is killed outside the womb, then it is legally murder. If he stayed silent about that and did not blow the whistle by contacting the police and the medical examiner, then I'm more pissed at him than ever.
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I've always felt pretty hopeless about the political situation in the world. My husband mentioned that at least we could be on the right side of history. I've staked my hopes on Ron Paul ever since. He's the only one who can be trusted with that much power because he's proven he can turn it down.

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I'm not sure the OP is really interested in our community. Seems to be a Ron Paul marketing rep.

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I'm not sure the OP is really interested in our community. Seems to be a Ron Paul marketing rep.
Interesting thought. I saw that little weasel on the republican candidate Youtube debate. I am surprised and disturbed that he had enough support to join Mitt Romney, Guiliani, McCain, and Huckabee. The man is wackadoo. Oddly, nothing was brought up about his racism, even though plenty of the questioners were liberals. The Daily Kos is not the first blog to catch him being weird. Little Green Footballs has had his number a long, long time. So what hush up strategies has Ron Paul been using? And what marketing rep would come here? Why? MDC doesn't seem like a place interested in oddball racists of the pseudo-scientific/intellectual sort. No, I think P1GGLE is just enthusiastic and will reconsider once she's had enough time to think about it.
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Interesting thought. I saw that little weasel on the republican candidate Youtube debate. I am surprised and disturbed that he had enough support to join Mitt Romney, Guiliani, McCain, and Huckabee. The man is wackadoo. Oddly, nothing was brought up about his racism, even though plenty of the questioners were liberals. The Daily Kos is not the first blog to catch him being weird. Little Green Footballs has had his number a long, long time. So what hush up strategies has Ron Paul been using? And what marketing rep would come here? Why? MDC doesn't seem like a place interested in oddball racists of the pseudo-scientific/intellectual sort. No, I think P1GGLE is just enthusiastic and will reconsider once she's had enough time to think about it.
Not P1ggle, the OP. Who has 2 posts, and 100% of them are spamming Ron Paul.
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Not P1ggle, the OP. Who has 2 posts, and 100% of them are spamming Ron Paul.
Oops. Sorry. My apologies. Did anyone see Ron Paul on the Youtube debate last night? Wackadoo. And sinister.
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yesterday was the first I have ever heard of Ron Paul... not that I pay much attention to republican news... all of the sudden I am noticing his name everywhere... even from supposedly progressive people... it scares me slightly. Who is this Ron Paul Character? Should I be afraid?

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I love Ron Paul, he's getting my vote. He's even gotten my money, first time that I have ever donated money to a campaign.
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Not interested in arguing about abortion, just wanted to clarify his stance on it since there appears to be some confusion.

He is actively in favor of overturning Roe vs. Wade and allowing states to forbid/criminalize abortion. He introduced the Sanctity of Life Act (2005/2007) for this purpose: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1094::

He also said in an interview that he would support a Constitutional Ammendment outlawing abortion, but that the country isn't "at that point" yet. So the state's rights argument he's using a bit iffy, since he thinks the federal govenment doesn't have the ability to ALLOW abortion but does have the ability to BAN it.
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I love Ron Paul, he's getting my vote. He's even gotten my money, first time that I have ever donated money to a campaign.
why?

do you usually vote republican?

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why?

do you usually vote republican?
Why? - Because I'm sick and tired of the government being involved in my daily life. The gov't hasn't been given 1/2 the powers they use, but have taken them. Sure some "extreme" groups support Ron Paul, but only because they too are wanting the same thing I want, freedom. I want freedom from the government taking an unfair and unauthorized income tax from my paycheck. I want freedom fromt he UA gov't telling me about "no child left behind" I want freedom from having my library records being used agaisnt me as the Patriot act has taken from me.

Sure 9-11 was awful, some 3,000 people died, but how many more people has the US killed fighting this "war on terror".

Ron Paul wants to give power back to the people. Personal responsibility, what a novel concept. There are so many reasons I would relish a president like RP.
The current system, the current canidates, they are all just their to keep the masses, you and me, fighting between ourselves over things that really have no meaning. We fight and bicker about some tax or whatever, while our country is being sold out from underneath us.

As for your second question - no I've never voted republican before and I changed my registration in order to vote in the primary for Ron Paul.
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yesterday was the first I have ever heard of Ron Paul... not that I pay much attention to republican news... all of the sudden I am noticing his name everywhere... even from supposedly progressive people... it scares me slightly. Who is this Ron Paul Character? Should I be afraid?
This past Friday night the TV show NOW on PBS featured the growing movement behind Ron Paul. I had heard of him, but hadn't paid much attention before seeing the show. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/350/index.html Then on Sunday (I think that was the day) he broke a 1-day fundraising record, something like $5 million in one day. There are many people like denvergirlie that have donated to him and NEVER given to a political campaign before. And he supposedly isn't at the forefront of it all, but really grassroots. This post has been interesting to me- reading about his past racist remarks and whatnot. Thanks for opening up the bag of worms, so to speak.
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Should this just be a political debate thread?
I personally hope Hilary Clinton loses. She is an idiot and in some ways a racist. Anyone who calls themselves "Hill-Dog" while in the south needs to be beaten with a shovel.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH to merpk for the link to the daily kos where they give the information and links to his past record- it goes so much beyong racism or abortion- but includes his extremely bad record on the environment, immigration, and so much more. Whether or not you are a liberal or have ever looked at the daily kos website, if you plan to vote for this guy, you should definitely check out his past record on all different platforms/agendas. Be informed.
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The late term abortion story he has, of a live baby crying while being thrown in the trash.....horrifying...but is it true? If the baby is crying outside the womb, and is killed outside the womb, then it is legally murder. If he stayed silent about that and did not blow the whistle by contacting the police and the medical examiner, then I'm more pissed at him than ever.
Those were my thoughts exactly.

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Ron Paul does seem to be getting a lot of attention lately - even from progressives, which really scares me. I admit I don't know much about him, but from what I have heard, and read here, he seems pretty scary to me. Kucinich would get my vote, in an ideal world, where it would really be possible for him to win. Being from CT, though, I've grown fond of Chris Dodd, and would love to see him doing better than he is. He pushed for improvements to the FMLA, and to prevent Bush from granting retroactive immunity for the wiretapping. I don't, however, know his stance on all the issues, but he is a known for working well with both parties, and for taking a stand on "social welfare" issues. I'm just really concernced that we will have no good candidates to choose from.

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it never occurred to me someone could imo be worse for everything environment, abortion, women's rights, constitution, immigration, war everything than bush.

then i heard ron paul. and it was like... a guaranteed one way train ticket to canada for us.

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it never occurred to me someone could imo be worse for everything environment, abortion, women's rights, constitution, immigration, war everything than bush.

then i heard ron paul. and it was like... a guaranteed one way train ticket to canada for us.
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This past Friday night the TV show NOW on PBS featured the growing movement behind Ron Paul. I had heard of him, but hadn't paid much attention before seeing the show. http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/350/index.html Then on Sunday (I think that was the day) he broke a 1-day fundraising record, something like $5 million in one day. There are many people like denvergirlie that have donated to him and NEVER given to a political campaign before. And he supposedly isn't at the forefront of it all, but really grassroots. This post has been interesting to me- reading about his past racist remarks and whatnot. Thanks for opening up the bag of worms, so to speak.

I watched the NOW link, thanks. Interesting, even if slightly soft-pedaling ...



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Ron Paul does seem to be getting a lot of attention lately - even from progressives, which really scares me.

See, that's what scares me about him most. I wouldn't say a thing about him if he were just picking up the Republican votes, because hey, I'm not a Republican so who cares (from my perspective) what Republicans say/do/support and who cares who's supporting them ... until the general election, anyway.

But when leftists and progressives start chasing after a phantom like this ... that scares me half to death. When people who would normally complain about how the Democratic party is moving right then go about supporting/contributing to someone with policies like this ... and they do it based primarily on one issue (opposition to the war) ... that's what makes me craziest.



Yes, he's firmly against the war. But nothing that I've seen tells me (as per the thread title) that he's against fascism. And hey, the fascists all like him and support him. So he can't be that much against them, since they see it as in their interests to get him elected.

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it never occurred to me someone could imo be worse for everything environment, abortion, women's rights, constitution, immigration, war everything than bush.

then i heard ron paul. and it was like... a guaranteed one way train ticket to canada for us.
yeah, this is a point of difference big time. I mean I really don't want to live in a socialist police state, but many on these boards apparently do want just that.

You have to understand that all of these things that RP opposes is NOT a federal responsibility, but a state issue.

Too each his own, but maintaing status quo is so not working, and a vote for the current system just isn't working.
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