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bayviewbill33's Avatar bayviewbill33 03:02 PM 08-29-2005
I have not gotten past the beautiful preganant women on the cover. No offense but forget the articles!! :P j/k

mamaofthree's Avatar mamaofthree 06:06 PM 08-29-2005
I was under the impression that breast sag whether you nurse or not. It was that you were pregnant that caused it to happen.

Thanks for the info on the smilie.

H
Aura_Kitten's Avatar Aura_Kitten 12:08 AM 08-30-2005
we need to ban KeysMama. :LOL
SEEPAE's Avatar SEEPAE 01:18 AM 08-30-2005
my breasts sagged just as much before I got pregnant and I was 16 when I got pregnant... if that says anything. Everyone in my family has saggy breasts, I cant think of a female in my bloodline that doesnt, no matter the age or if they had a child or not.

My breasts are actually smaller now than they were before I got pregnant, not by a lot, but I can tell. It may be because I got wider though, LOL

DS and I had a perfect BFing relationship IMO and the first week still hurt like hell. If you rub something wet and textured against any part of your body for 20 minutes 12 times a day it will get blistered. Why should your nipples be any different :LOL
Missy's Avatar Missy 02:18 AM 08-30-2005
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From the research I've done, the only people who are likely to need supplementing are pregnant women who are dark skinned and cover who live up north (or someplace hot and stay in the A/C--there has been a rising prob among well-to-do women in the Middle East as well), or anyone living at an extremely high latitude, such as the northern parts of Canada and Alaska. The traditional diets of the indigenous peoples in those areas are rich in Vitamin D--and had no dairy, of course.
Just wanted to add that it's not quite that limited. One of the babies in our local hs group has been dxed with rickets. He's African American, but not **that** dark and we live in Virginia. He's a little over a year and still breastfeeding and simply wasn't getting enough vit D from the sun, even though his exposure would have been enough for a lighter-skinned child.
guestmama9924's Avatar guestmama9924 10:24 AM 08-30-2005
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we need to ban KeysMama. :LOL
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:LOL
I said they look the same, not particulary spectacular!! (.)(.)
dharmama's Avatar dharmama 10:48 AM 08-30-2005
I have been distributing Mothering Magazine at my prenatal yoga classes for about 3 years now. I have to say I am THRILLED with the current issue -- my students are gobbling it up and talking about it with each other!

I also put a dozen or so Mothering Mags out at our birth network meeting. Most months I've had to carry some home after the meeting....this month the table was empty.

The current issue provides something that I can hand out -- something visually appealing -- that promotes many of the ideals I wish to share....co-sleeping, breastfeeding, no-circ....and then with all the ads and reports....cloth diapering, babywearing, homebirthing etc.

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I have not gotten past the beautiful preganant women on the cover. No offense but forget the articles!!
But why? Why is a physically attractive pregnant woman something we can't get past?

I am a Mothering mama -- natural birthing, breastfeeding, cloth-diapering, co-sleeping -- but I'm pretty mainstream to look at. I don't think I'm as physically attractive as the woman on the cover, but with the right lighting (and a good photographer :LOL)...that could be me. And it most definitely could be many of the students who are coming to my prenatal class.

And you know what....a few issues back there was "one of us" on the cover (remember the "love your mama body" issue). The mama, Anna, was in my due date club...she was just a regular mama on the cover of Mothering Magazine. And ya know what....there was a big long thread ripping apart the cover and the photo and how it didn't look professional enough.
Earth Angel's Avatar Earth Angel 11:25 AM 08-30-2005
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I have not gotten past the beautiful preganant women on the cover. No offense but forget the articles!!



But why? Why is a physically attractive pregnant woman something we can't get past?

If I'm not mistaken I think this was a pappa that replied and I just took it as he was saying pregnant ladies are beautiful!...which if course he is MOST definately correct about

For me....it is hard to see people all done up but still supposed to look "normal" but really that is what our culture is all about. But, like I said....at least this woman was really pregnant....and I think it is cool that she looks as good as she does!! I really think it is disturbing to be a woman in our society, not to mention a pregnant one, and see ads of unpregnant women pretending to be pregnant to sell clothes to pregnant women KWIM????

I also think it is great dharmama that your clients/students are eating up this issue....very informative for pregnant women for sure!! And you know what....if the important messages containted within the covers get across to more people if they are presented this way then so be it....its better than these folks being given Parenting by someone else first right??? the broader the movement the better IMO


LOL on the boob thing....haven't read that article yet but it sounds intriguing from what you all have said though...it also sounds like there was a bit of misinformation in that article, and that is unfortunate.
dharmama's Avatar dharmama 11:38 AM 08-30-2005
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If I'm not mistaken I think this was a pappa that replied and I just took it as he was saying pregnant ladies are beautiful!...which if course he is MOST definately correct about


:LOL
earthmama369's Avatar earthmama369 01:05 PM 08-30-2005
Gotta say . . . I LOVE the new issue of Mothering. What a great all-in-one resource to give to a new family!

I had a couple reactions to reading this thread.

1. Wow. There are some high standards here. That's not a criticism; I think it's a great thing to hold what you love to high standards, especially when it's a resource of information. But if your only beef is one ad or one editorial, does it do more good to cancel your subscription or to communicate your concern? Even best friends, who both AP, won't agree on absolutely every single decision they make, and who'd want them to? In a diverse, healthy population of parents, there can and should be differences of opinion. It keeps us on our toes, makes us more likely to analyze and research our opinions, and reminds us that very little in the world is black and white. Likewise, when you present someone else's options (say, about circ) as black and white, right or wrong, even the best-meaning discussion can turn your intended audience off. Presented that way, it tells a person that if they disagree with you, they're wrong, which causes a lot of people to fear asking questions. If you put someone in a defensive position, they're more likely to label you a fanatic and tune out than open their minds. Like it or not, parents *do* have the choice to circ their sons or leave them intact. Recognizing that right of choice and presenting reasons to choose to keep their sons intact will get you much farther than taking an absolutist stance.

2. Magazines are EXPENSIVE to produce. Using stock photos appropriately is a valuable way to keep expenses down -- and keep your favorite magazine in business. I've worked as a periodicals specialist for Borders and as an editor for magazines like Art Bulletin. Did you know that 80% of new magazines fail within the first 2 years? Primarily due to lack of money. Licensing fees for the use of one font alone can cost up to $5,000. Full color spreads on glossy paper are not cheap. To publish one issue of a high quality magazine (and Mothering Magazine is a high quality magazine), with glossy pages, well-edited and researched articles, good design layout, and full color (and reasonably paid, satisfied employees with reasonable quality, working equipment) takes thousands of dollars. Advertising alone doesn't cover the costs.

Baby's awake, gotta run!
bayviewbill33's Avatar bayviewbill33 01:44 PM 08-30-2005
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Originally Posted by Earth Angel
If I'm not mistaken I think this was a pappa that replied and I just took it as he was saying pregnant ladies are beautiful!...which if course he is MOST definately correct about

For me....it is hard to see people all done up but still supposed to look "normal" but really that is what our culture is all about. But, like I said....at least this woman was really pregnant....and I think it is cool that she looks as good as she does!! I really think it is disturbing to be a woman in our society, not to mention a pregnant one, and see ads of unpregnant women pretending to be pregnant to sell clothes to pregnant women KWIM????

I also think it is great dharmama that your clients/students are eating up this issue....very informative for pregnant women for sure!! And you know what....if the important messages containted within the covers get across to more people if they are presented this way then so be it....its better than these folks being given Parenting by someone else first right??? the broader the movement the better IMO


LOL on the boob thing....haven't read that article yet but it sounds intriguing from what you all have said though...it also sounds like there was a bit of misinformation in that article, and that is unfortunate.
Yes I am the one who said the woman on the cover is beautiful. Pregnant women are gorgeous IMHO. Forget that - they are gorgeous IMOO (In My Outspoken Opinion!!!)
phathui5's Avatar phathui5 06:19 PM 08-31-2005
I really like the way they did this issue. The cover is "normal-looking" and the articles are great. I think that makes someone who doesn't usually read it much more likely to pick it up at the bookstore. I'm seriously tempted to order a case to give to my WIC clients.

My favorite articles were the co-sleeping ones, I think.
Ilaria's Avatar Ilaria 06:08 AM 09-01-2005
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I havent seen it, because I wont buy it since the editorial comment about circumcision. I wish there had been some clarification about that, because I have always loved Mothering. I wont buy it for now though, or give subscriptions as gifts..........
Yep!
Ilaria's Avatar Ilaria 06:25 AM 09-01-2005
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Originally Posted by mamaofthree
Are they Oking a circ? Wow that is so way out there... sheesh. I always thought they were against that...
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Not in so many words, but Peggy's article was not AGAINST circumcision (like the forum title here or Fleiss' article), in fact she said there is no single, easy answer She said that on circ (as with other things) parents have inherent authority to make decisions...you know, like you can decide to spank your kids, make them CIO, give them soda at 2 months...they're all parents' choices, afterall! I know they got a zillion letters on this...but, surprise, none got published. :

Previous threads on this:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=287434
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=287439

More on topic...I likethat it look smore attractive, more mainstream so maybe more mamas will pick it up....but maybe it is looking that way because it's actually going in that direction?
Either way, it's not for me anymore and I'm selling all my issues, from '99 to now!...a little plug...
Quirky's Avatar Quirky 02:03 PM 09-01-2005
Although I was pissed as hell about Peggy's sloppy writing in her editorial that failed to condemn circ, and I'm annoyed that they haven't followed up with a correction or a letter to the editor/response, I do think that the latest issue redeems the magazine greatly on the no-circ issue (which I'm passionate about, as my siggy demonstrates). Peggy stated in chat that she did not at all mean to support RIC, and I believe her.

I think it is an awesome, no-punches-pulled set of articles and doesn't give an inch of ground on the "circ is a parent's choice" front. I especially like the second article on informed consent - I think that any doctor who offers infant circ has got his or her head up his/her and is engaged in a massive exercise of self-delusion.

I'm going to go buy 10 or 20 copies and save them for pregnant friends/acquaintances....because I think the magazine could make a huge difference and I'm more interested in saving babies than in continuing to beat Peggy up for a badly worded editorial. I also like the more mainstream look of this particular cover - not the cover model per se but the whole "look and feel" just seems more sophisticated and appealing.

There was a thread about the Vitamin D ad...I think that one they are going to pull when the contract expires but they have a contract and you can't just break a contract willy-nilly. Unless they have a clause in their contract saying "we have a right to pull any ad at any time for any reason," they could be liable to the company and get sued for breach of contract.

I am not going to say I agree with Mothering 100% all of the time....but it is the only decent parenting magazine out there. Look at the alternatives! Not one of them will ever question vaxes, or dis TV, or state plainly that circ is harmful, or talk about the risks of FF honestly.
Quirky's Avatar Quirky 02:06 PM 09-01-2005
mamaofthree's Avatar mamaofthree 05:24 PM 09-01-2005
OK, I finally got a copy of the magazine... the woman on the cover is lovely! What is wrong with that? I looked back at all of my magaizines and I see that all of the people (wopmen, children, men) are all lovely. I use to dress like the woman on the cover when I was pregnant with ds#3... it was comfy!

And this issue ROCKS! So much great info. Plus I the piece by the dad about co-sleeping. Wonderful. Iloved all the pictures of dads with babies.

H
Leilalu's Avatar Leilalu 05:31 PM 09-01-2005
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Originally Posted by devonc
You know, speaking of stock photos, I LOVED the pic on the May/June issue so much I found the knitting pattern for that little purple hat... lo and behold, what pic did I see on the cover of the book Knit Baby Head and Toes? THE EXACT SAME PICTURE!

It : me a little, they can't find their own cute babies to take pictures of?

And I have found the last few issues to be slightly less "informative" and more "activist"-- nothing wrong with that, really, but I used to learn so much from it.

:LOL I bought the book too, and I was like-wait a minute.....this looks familiar:LOL
njeb's Avatar njeb 12:25 PM 09-03-2005
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Originally Posted by Quirky
Although I was pissed as hell about Peggy's sloppy writing in her editorial that failed to condemn circ, and I'm annoyed that they haven't followed up with a correction or a letter to the editor/response, I do think that the latest issue redeems the magazine greatly on the no-circ issue (which I'm passionate about, as my siggy demonstrates). Peggy stated in chat that she did not at all mean to support RIC, and I believe her.

I think it is an awesome, no-punches-pulled set of articles and doesn't give an inch of ground on the "circ is a parent's choice" front. I especially like the second article on informed consent - I think that any doctor who offers infant circ has got his or her head up his/her and is engaged in a massive exercise of self-delusion.

I'm going to go buy 10 or 20 copies and save them for pregnant friends/acquaintances....because I think the magazine could make a huge difference and I'm more interested in saving babies than in continuing to beat Peggy up for a badly worded editorial. I also like the more mainstream look of this particular cover - not the cover model per se but the whole "look and feel" just seems more sophisticated and appealing.

There was a thread about the Vitamin D ad...I think that one they are going to pull when the contract expires but they have a contract and you can't just break a contract willy-nilly. Unless they have a clause in their contract saying "we have a right to pull any ad at any time for any reason," they could be liable to the company and get sued for breach of contract.

I am not going to say I agree with Mothering 100% all of the time....but it is the only decent parenting magazine out there. Look at the alternatives! Not one of them will ever question vaxes, or dis TV, or state plainly that circ is harmful, or talk about the risks of FF honestly.
I completely agree with you, Quirky!
Hollycrand's Avatar Hollycrand 12:56 PM 09-04-2005
I just received my copy of Sept/Oct. Mothering in the mail (it takes a while for it to be sent to an International address), and was a bit disappointed not to see any great responses to past issues (you know, reactions to 'difficult' issues, or people adding valuable information to an article, editorial or book review).
This issue seemed to only have 'love letters' by people saying how much they loved the magazine and its articles. Okay, but normally I LOVE reading the letters section because there are some really intelligent readers out there who really add value to the magazine with their comments and reactions.
This issue's letters section just seemed like 'Parenting' or any other mainstream magazine who would never dare print any 'negative' reactions to its articles or editorials.
All in all, I was neither disppointed nor overly impressed with the issue, but I aggree with some PP in that it's better than some of the other stuff out there.
Aura_Kitten's Avatar Aura_Kitten 12:11 AM 09-05-2005
Holly, i noticed that about the letters section too. although, i can't imagine the past few issues stirring up that much controversy. :LOL
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