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This is an older thread, but I'm resurrecting it, as I just saw the movie last night.

AWESOME movie - I absolutely LOVED it.

I had/have the same questions about the water pressure - the scene where he's bathing Sam totally baffled me.

The trap (sorry - I have to delve into this one) - I see no where how it's a trap that he set. No allusion to that being the case at all. It was very clear (to me) that the Alpha Male copied the trap that Neville had set which led to the capture of the Alpha Female.

Very scary as it's not an extremely far-fetched story at all.

I would have loved to see much more detail in the ending - does the "cure" work ? Are the people in the commune able to replicate the cure from the Alpha Female's blood at all ? Are there even scientists in the commune ? Is this new "cure" any more stable, safe, effective, than the cancer "cure" was ?

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Interesting to see this thread come back to life, since I FINALLY picked up a book, and I am half way through it. It is very good. You think the dog story is bad in the movie? It's just heartbreaking in the book

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The water pressure if you listen very closely when he switches on the sprayer you can here a generator kick in. With my surround sound on it was much easier to hear than in the theater and I was paying closer attention to that scene as well since it came up here. I have no doubt that Neval has the knowledge it would take to set something like that up, me I would be washing in the river because I have no idea how to make something like that work.

 
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You think the dog story is bad in the movie? It's just heartbreaking in the book
I tried to warn you! The "dog plot" in the movie is a lot gentler on the audience... The book is a much darker story in some ways.

I think modern sci-horror films (based on old/classic sci-horror stories) often soften some of the fatalism of the original stories in order to appeal to the current population. The plague is "our" fault but somehow we always find a "cure". In the original stories sometimes bad stuff just happens and in the end we all just die (now I'm getting Ros & Guil quotes in my head! ). I'm thinking things like the original I am Legend, or Canticle for Leibowitz, or On the Beach, or even a non-horror story like Harrison Bergeron or The Cold Equations. Much darker and fatalistic than the "modern versions" in which humanity has more control, both in causing the problem and in fixing it.

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Nice to see this thread active again. I really enjoyed this film, although Steve found it a little boring. I think that he was expecting a lot of action, despite me explaining that that wasn't the point. Anyway, I also prefer the alternate ending, the original ending. I might watch it tomorrow night again

I have browsed the book in the bookstore and for some reason it doesn't appeal to me.

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Hey, what's the alternate ending??
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In the alt ending. The "leader" stops beating the glass and uses his hands to make a butterfly mark on the glass and then Nevel notices a butterfly tatoo on the female laying on the gurney. He realizes the leader wants his mate back and unhooks her from the IV and opens the glass and takes her out. The leader picks her up and they say each others names and rub faces. He then carries her out and leaves Neval and the woman and boy alone. It then shows them driving off to the safe area in the SUV.

 
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I am resurrecting this thread because I finally got the answer to whether or not Nevil set the trap that he got caught in It was driving me insane not knowing for sure and trying to figure out what I had missed. So now I have my answer it is on the longer version DVD.
OMG, I did not come back to this thread after posting on it in December, so I didn't see the other trap theory that was presented. Since then I've watched the movie a couple more times, once with the alternative ending. I never once thought that Neville got caught in a trap he set. I thought the whole point is he set a trap, and then the darkwalker copied it. I thought that was supposed to be the point. Then with the alternative ending, my feeling I had the first time I saw it--that the man was looking for his wife--seemed to be an accurate one. I had no idea I walked away from such a hot topic at the time.
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The alternate ending was better IMHO in it he dosnt die and the alpha male wants his woman back and the butterfly tatto was on the infected female not on Anna. The alpha male picks up the alpha female and carries her away.
There were parts I thought were better. I mean I liked that it ended up with them driving around, looking for more survivors instead of finding the mythical survivor's colony in Vermont that God sent her to find. But I did kind of like his whole dying and sacrificing himself, and feeling this connection between the butterfly and remembering his wife and daughter. So I liked a little of the woo just not the whole woo woo.
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I just ordered the book and am looking forward to reading it.
I liked the movie to an extent.
I didn't like how (badly) CGIed the nightwalkers were. They just looked...fake.
I also hated the ending.
It did stick in my mind for a long time though. I live in NY not too far from where he was supposed to have been living, so I kept thinking about what I would do in his case. Would I survive?
Err. No.
I am already profoundly obsessed with post-apocolyptic films so it definitely stuck with me.

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It drove me NUTS that he didn't realize the zombie guy was after his woman. Oddly, no man I know who saw the movie picked up on that when I was practically screaming "YOU TOOK HIS WOMAN!!! HE'S AFTER HER!!!!" Why didn't Will Smith's character ever get that????

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Because he was so sure that it was impossible for them to have evolved enough to think like that. He felt that they were living on basic survival instincts only and it was only at the very end that he figured it out

Another reason that he didnt see that they were evolving was that he was doing experiments on them trying to find the cure and all of them he had experamented on died so to continue doing what he was he had to view them as not human so that he wouldnt feel as if he were doing anything unethical.

 
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I loved this movie. But as an emotional pregnant lady, it was very hard to handle in places. The poor teenage boy sitting next to me (the theater was completely packed for opening night when we went, so he was stuck in that seat) looked very uncomfortable when I was openly sobbing at one certain part. You all know which one.
Me too! I was about 39wks pg, huge and sobbing audibly and the older man sitting next to me kept looking at me like I was nuts. I was really blubbering during the "dog scene."

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It drove me NUTS that he didn't realize the zombie guy was after his woman. Oddly, no man I know who saw the movie picked up on that when I was practically screaming "YOU TOOK HIS WOMAN!!! HE'S AFTER HER!!!!" Why didn't Will Smith's character ever get that????
I couldn't believe that my DH didn't pick up on that!

I'd like to see this again now that I'm less hormonal.

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I've been waiting and waiting for this to come out on HBO, and it finally did the other day, and the tree which blocks my satellite was conveniently way out of the way, so I got to watch it with no interference at all...

Until the beginning of the dog scene.

Whereupon it became completely unwatchable. It was a little skippy during the trap scene, then I got the gist of the dog scene (which made me, too, cry), then after that it's black.

ARGH!

I'm looking forward to being able to watch the end, but from what I did see I must say that I am disappointed. For one thing, I had no idea that it was such a short movie (1 hr 7 mins????). Had I known that I think I would have been far less disappointed, because I wouldn't have expected much more than what I saw.

His acting was amazing, I thought. But there was so very little character development or plotline that it just kind of seemed like every thing that happened was completely predictable- oh the dog ran into the dark building. oh there are scary mutant people in there. oh, he had to capture one of them (he had just said that he would be carrying out human trials on that serum, after all). I will say that I was surprised by them setting a trap for him, though.

Why were they so mutated? That was so glossed over- because the vaccine caused 'rabies-like' symptoms? Just because? What was the progression of the mutation?

What did they do? Apart from looking weird, standing in creepy looking groups during the day and making loud scary sounds at night, that is? Oh, and popping up in a startling manner once in a while

What drove these mutated people to stick together? Why didn't they attack one another? Why did Neville feel the need to stay and try to save them, rather than going to find his family? Why not just kill them all, get them out of their misery, and go to your wife and child? Why did he have running water (I too noticed the generator noise) but no way to heat food? Why did he hole up every night, why not just use UV lights to keep them out? Why hide in the bathtub?

And why, oh why, did the male lion look so extremely fake? They can't make a fake lion that has the correct proportions at least?

Maybe I just looked forward to it for too long, but I am left with a strong feeling that they could have done this movie so much better. But then, maybe I'll feel differently after I see the end

And I think that I should read the book. Along with Children of Men, which I thought was a far, far better movie.
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I think they became like pack animals so they needed each other in a way so they didnt kill each other.

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He stayed because he felt responsable for what happened and had a need to fix it. He had no family to go and find since they where killed in the helocopter leaving the island.

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Actually the woman toward the end cooked him eggs on the stove. Pretty sure he was cooking earlier in the movie as well when he was telling the dog to eat his veggies. The running water I thing was a system that he had set up somehow. Since I am not an engineer I have no idea how though but I definatly think he had the knowledge to do it.

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He hid every night because had they found him they not only would have killed him but they would have destroyed his work and research. The UV lights can be broken so using them wouldnt have been that effective. Hiding in the bathtub was his way of feeling safe I think more than protection. Kinda like a child hiding under the blankets at night.

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: I wondered that as well. They could have even used a real lion as far as that goes.

 
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I think they became like pack animals so they needed each other in a way so they didnt kill each other.

He stayed because he felt responsable for what happened and had a need to fix it. He had no family to go and find since they where killed in the helocopter leaving the island.

Actually the woman toward the end cooked him eggs on the stove. Pretty sure he was cooking earlier in the movie as well when he was telling the dog to eat his veggies. The running water I thing was a system that he had set up somehow. Since I am not an engineer I have no idea how though but I definatly think he had the knowledge to do it.

He hid every night because had they found him they not only would have killed him but they would have destroyed his work and research. The UV lights can be broken so using them wouldnt have been that effective. Hiding in the bathtub was his way of feeling safe I think more than protection. Kinda like a child hiding under the blankets at night.


: I wondered that as well. They could have even used a real lion as far as that goes.
Thanks. I have a super active 22 month old baby, and I didn't see the helicopter crash somehow. If they were dead, then I can understand staying, at least to a certain degree. Especially if he felt responsible for putting them on the helicopter and staying behind.

I didn't see any parts with anyone else, so I missed the egg part

But I thought that in the vegetable/dog part, he just opened a jar of pasta sauce, put it on something else canned, and ate it cold.

And the lion in Narnia looked a million times more realistic. That part really irritated me for some reason. The fake deer were also a bit annoying, but that lion was just over the top to me
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What drove these mutated people to stick together? Why didn't they attack one another? Why did he hole up every night, why not just use UV lights to keep them out? Why hide in the bathtub?
I didn't understand why the mutants were so rage filled and horror movie like where they were completely oblivious to their own pain and destruction, eating through the ceiling, but they didn't attack each other, and in the one ending, they calmed down and let Neville live. I kind of felt like making them look like monsters was more convenient, or would sell to horror movie fans more. The Charlton Heston movie made more sense, and he did keep the mutated people out with bright lights. Or maybe they did turn on each other at times, and that just wasn't depicted, but it's the problem I have with a movie like 28 Days Later, also
And in the Fellowship of the Rings, they had to ruin it and make the orcs look like freaking bugs, crawling on the ceilings, just because that is scarier.

I'm not sure about why they showed him cowering in the bathtub in that one scene, other than it was indicative of Neville's mental state at the time. He woke up in his bed the next morning.

I actually like the lion and deer scene, it didn't look that fake to me, so I can't help you there.
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I didn't understand why the mutants were so rage filled and horror movie like where they were completely oblivious to their own pain and destruction, eating through the ceiling, but they didn't attack each other, and in the one ending, they calmed down and let Neville live. I kind of felt like making them look like monsters was more convenient, or would sell to horror movie fans more. The Charlton Heston movie made more sense, and he did keep the mutated people out with bright lights. Or maybe they did turn on each other at times, and that just wasn't depicted, but it's the problem I have with a movie like 28 Days Later, also
And in the Fellowship of the Rings, they had to ruin it and make the orcs look like freaking bugs, crawling on the ceilings, just because that is scarier.

I'm not sure about why they showed him cowering in the bathtub in that one scene, other than it was indicative of Neville's mental state at the time. He woke up in his bed the next morning.

I actually like the lion and deer scene, it didn't look that fake to me, so I can't help you there.
Yeah, I really think that half an hour more of screen time would have gone a LONG way. They could have put a bit of plot development and/or character development of the mutated people in.

I feel like they didn't even try that hard on this movie. Like they had Will Smith, who did a fantastic job IMO, and they had someone to make some scary effects, so they could just rake in the bucks without really putting much effort in. Or something like that.

But keep in mind that I didn't see anything past the sad dog scene. My opinion may change when I do. I don't see how 10 more minutes, no matter how good the ending may be, will make up for the other shortcomings, but we'll see. I'm open to that possibility

And as for the lions, the female and the cub weren't too bad. But that male looked more ridiculously out of proportion than some of my baby's stuffies
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The alternate ending was better IMHO in it he dosnt die and the alpha male wants his woman back and the butterfly tatto was on the infected female not on Anna. The alpha male picks up the alpha female and carries her away.

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The alternate ending really did make more sense. This was a movie I really wanted to like, but the original ending left me really frustrated. I have no idea why they didn't use the alternate ending (which supposedly was the original ending to begin with). It ties things up so nicely.

A lot of the science stuff bugged me, but if you don't think too deeply about it, it's better .

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The alternate ending really did make more sense. This was a movie I really wanted to like, but the original ending left me really frustrated. I have no idea why they didn't use the alternate ending (which supposedly was the original ending to begin with). It ties things up so nicely.

A lot of the science stuff bugged me, but if you don't think too deeply about it, it's better .
I'm not sure, but I think that I read somewhere that the test audiences were not pleased with the alternate ending... not enough dramatic action (big explosions) so they went with the one we saw at the cinema. I prefer the alternate ending, because it explains so much more.

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I'm looking forward to being able to watch the end, but from what I did see I must say that I am disappointed. For one thing, I had no idea that it was such a short movie (1 hr 7 mins????). Had I known that I think I would have been far less disappointed, because I wouldn't have expected much more than what I saw.
I did a quick search, and the movie is listed at 200 mins/1 hr 40 mins...not sure if that makes a difference for ya though!


I thought the movie was ok on its own merits, but after reading the original story (which is pretty short), i think THAT would have been the better movie to make. In the book, there are creatures that are basically mindless zombies, then there are creatures that are quite smart. The main character is also less of a sympathetic character than in the movie, but you root for him nonetheless. And the dog plays a pretty small role in the book. The book isnt that sad, but the ending makes waaaaay more of a statement.


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